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British aggression and anti-Polonism or Polonophobia .


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Annia [Guest]
  Mar 5, 07, 05:27  #121

Im not sure that your average Polish person in Poland would be very happy about this IMHO, those that are enabling the day to day economy to tick over

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szarlotka
  Mar 5, 07, 05:28  #122

Quoting: Huegel
No victory parade for you though Szarlotka


Oh no! I was looking forward to the parade through the streets of London. Tanks, Missiles, uniforms.... the whole kaboodle.


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Lee_England
Edited by: Lee_England  Mar 5, 07, 07:27  #123

Quoting: Giles
But this group essentially, low skilled, low educated, white working class.


That's a bit of a sweeping generalisation giles, some might perceive that as a dig at white people in general.

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Giles [Guest]
  Mar 5, 07, 08:06  #124

Dude I am white. I'm just sick of feckless lay abouts of which this country seems inundated. secondly since I'm living with a Polish woman I'm sick of anti-Polish sentiment. which generally is voiced by feckless Brits.
Not a dig at whites at all.

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szarlotka
Edited by: szarlotka  Mar 5, 07, 08:47  #125

A very Good Day to you all from Angry of Tunbridge Wells

Firstly, let me say that I am indebted to one of the chaps at the golf club for spending the time to introduce me to this Internet development. Ever since those liberal minded, woolly thinking and lefty leaning types at The Telegraph and the Mail have refused to publish my letters any longer, I have lacked a medium for expressing the views of the ordinary English gentleman on the times in which we live.

Between you and me, I suspect the British media types are now all graduates from one of those Polytechnics that masquerade as Universities these days. Half of them cannot spell and the grammar is particularly badly mangled. I have not seen such inappropriate use of the colon since Carruthers ate two particularly spicy curries in Calcutta back in the thirties. If the truth be known they all probably went to state schools. You know the sort, they tend to think that Cicero is a Brazilian footballer and Homer is the star of that garrulous American cartoon series.

Anyway, I digress. Under severe pressure from the Mensab to celebrate many years of wedded bliss, I reluctantly agreed to take her into Town to take in a visit to the picture house followed by a spot of Tiffin. Apparently the last time we made this adventurous journey together I enjoyed Gone with the Wind (must have reminded me of the Carruthers incident, what?) What followed was quite frankly an astonishing journey into Hell itself.

It began with what appeared to be some sort of United Nations convention at TW rail station. Apparently there are now forty seven different type of rail ticket that one can purchase for the simple journey into Town. Having being asked as to which type of ticket I would like to acquire, by a person whose spoken English was not of the Queen’s standard, and having been at a loss to comprehend what the chap was jibbering on about I demanded to speak to the manager. Whereupon some spotty faced youth arrived to tell me in no uncertain terms that I was to stop abusing his staff, buy a ticket Grandad or leave the premises immediately. Of course, I was up for giving the bounder a good thrashing there and then but the Mensab intervened and eventually we boarded the 12:23 into Town – at 13:09.

The carriages were packed and when demanding of a group of youths that they stand to allow my good Wife and I a seat a major melee began. I had thought that the hooded attire in which they were draped was a sure sign of them being in some sort of religious order. How wrong could I be? Apparently they were devotees of a musical genre known as Hap Hop, or Hop Hap. After a brief exchange of blows, during which I managed to get in a few good ones with the trusty rolled umbrella, the Mensab intervened again. Having diffused the immediate situation, she was eventually offered a seat by the offending parties. She spent the remainder of the short journey sitting on the lap of the largest of the protagonists listening to the above mentioned music through headphones connected to what I believe was called a Senopod. Apparently the music genre in question was entirely based upon the need to go and shoot your neighbours and make off with their women. This seems strange to me as in my day a chap would be able to do this by simply joining the Army so I was at a loss to understand the need to sing about it. Still the Mensab appeared happy enough. I confined myself to giving them a damned fine disapproving stare, particularly when they became a trifle too over familiar with the good lady wife.


Having suffered the delight of our deteriorating public transport system, I wisely decided to take a cab from the station to the picture house. At least the good old London cabbie would offer a haven of normality. How wrong could I have been? The cabbie was obviously some sort of Communist. He had a heavy Eastern European accent. Turns out the chap was Polish. A friendly sort as it happens. Mind you I would be happy if I could charge every passenger £15 for a short taxi journey. He told me that there were many of his countrymen in the UK now and that I had better get used to it.

The less said about the film the better. The last time I saw that much naked flesh was at an Ashanti tribal dance. The film had English sub titles. A large group of foreigners sat behind us taking obvious pleasure in my increasing discomfort. I only stayed so that we could stand up at the end for God Save the Queen. Imagine my surprise when after 5 minutes of standing I noticed the whole picture house was empty save for the Mensab and I. I eventually rushed out to complain to the manager, who turned out to be Brazilian, only to be told in faltering English that the National Anthem has not been played at the end of performances for nigh on forty years. What is this country coming to?

Finding a nice tea room was impossible. There were Australian bars, South African bars, Polish bars, Salsa Cafes (whatever they are), Thai restaurants, Chinese restaurants, all flavours of Indian restaurants and even a 17 course Afghan buffet, all you can eat for £6-50 with free Alka Seltzer thrown in. But could I find a Lyons corner house. Could I by God? Eventually, driven by hunger and thirst, we made our way into the only traditional English public house left in the Capital it would seem. Having fought our way through hoards of half naked, braying youths to the bar, I ordered a pint of finest bitter for me and a G & T for the Mensab. Imagine my astonishment to find out that there was no bitter any more and would I like a bottle of premium strength designer label lager instead? I explained, in slow and precise terms, to the young Czech lady serving me that indeed I would not. I turned to the good lady to explain that we were leaving, only to find her in an intense discussion with a six foot five South African chappie who looked to be a second row man. Remembering my earlier altercations I decided that discretion was the better part of valour and elected to wait for said discussion to end. Five G & Ts and a hokey kokey or two later I eventually extricated the Mensab from the establishment. By now I had seen enough to understand that urgent action was required. I despatched the Mensab back on the train back to TW and arranged to meet Hodges from the FCO at his Mayfair Club.

Over a particularly fine bottle of Claret Hodges explained that unbeknown to most people outside of the need to know few, the UK had opened its doors to the whole world. Absolutely anybody can now live here and work here. Now I knew that the EU Walla’s had let a few token Frenchies, Krauts and the like in but the whole world. Good God man, that could include Ruskies! In passing, Hodges also let it slip that the Empire was no more. I commented that this seemed a trifle careless. Over the second bottle Hodges explained that the FCO and HO were now predominantly lead by ex Cambridge chaps. That explains everything I responded. They always were a rum lot. Philby, Blunt et al were all Cambridge chaps. Always were a little pink over there in the Fens. Not at all like us Oxford chaps.

Anyway, as time (and claret) passed I decided to investigate the destruction of my country further. I managed to convince Hodges to get me a room for the night at the club. Armed only with a stiff Glenlivet I made my way unsteadily down to the new business communications centre. The room was deserted save only for a lone American chappie buying Estonia apparently. I approached the delightful filly sitting quietly in the corner reading a large tome penned by Jean Paul Satre. “Bonjour”, I intoned in my best (and only) French. “I would like to use the Interweb to do some research into a complete loss of national identity. Sensing my discomfort in the old Frangalis she responded in perfect but heavily accented English “Of course Sir, I would be delighted to help you in your research” Turned out she was another Pole. After a brief, but highly enjoyable, training session I was able to use the Interweb very well indeed. There were one or two hiccups when searching for information on the Horn of Africa, what with a lady being present and all.

And so we come to this Forum. The kind lady pointed it out as an invaluable introduction to the views of ordinary people around the world and that there were areas of discussion specifically related to immigration into the UK. As the night wore on and the Glenlivet bottle steadily emptied I immersed myself in the intricate web of claim and counterclaim that unfolded before my astonished eyes. If I were to believe some then England (not the UK but England) is responsible for the ills of every country in the world. But if I were to believe others then we have been invaded by millions of people who will work for threepence halfpenny a day, who use all our services, start fights (memo to self - check hood situation) and are depriving good, hard working British youth of job opportunities as plumbers. It became apparent that further research and contemplation was necessary.

The following day, after a particularly strained day at the golf club in which the seniors winter doubles competition was interrupted by a gaggle of screaming banshees demanding lady member access to the bar (over my dead body) and an unfortunate incident involving Peters and the Captain’s lady wife, I sat down to read on further. My conclusions follow.

It really makes my blood boil that you can be so ungrateful to my country. We went to war because you were invaded. We’ve let you in to work in this country. We suffered year upon year from hearing nothing else on the wireless but that b****y awful Warsaw Concerto. We had to endure that Jan Tomaszewski in the World Cup qualifier. We didn’t build the b****y Palace of Science and Culture. We didn’t put tanks on the streets. All this bleating from you just because we didn’t quite make it to the Warsaw Uprising and forgot to tell Uncle Joe to retreat back to Mother Russia. My God, two minor oversights and we are the Devil incarnate. It makes me SOOOOO angry. If we still had the Empire we wouldn’t let you in, that’s how angry I am.

tbc


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szarlotka
  Mar 5, 07, 08:51  #126

continued....

As far as I am concerned you can all go back home, apart from Aggie at the club in Mayfair of course. She can stay. Oh, and that lovely little thing down at the golf club. Oh yes, the builders working on Mr Angry’s mansion can stay. Oh, all right you can all stay. Got to go now- I’m starting a campaign to send all Scots home, starting with their politicians.

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FISZ
  Mar 5, 07, 08:51  #127

Quoting: szarlotka
It makes me SOOOOO angry

I couldn't tell. Ellova rant mate


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Maxxx Payne
Edited by: Maxxx Payne  Mar 5, 07, 08:52  #128

Quoting: truebrit
Er actually Germany did not attack Britain.Britain declared war against Germany because of the invasion of Poland.As for your own pitiful country Bulgaria everyone knows you went nazi-you even sound proud of it.


UK should have helped Czechoslovakia in 1938 also when Germany swallowed it. Both UK and France were very naive in hoping that Hitler would be satisfied with it. Fighting against Germany was only made harder by this because now Germany had access high-class Czech factories.
Also UK didnīt help Poland much in Polish-Soviet war in 1920, because the British left didnīt like "White Poland".

Of course there was Winston Churchill (one of my heroes !) who saw Poland as bastion against both German and Soviet supremacy. But sadly they didnīt listen to him until 1940.

And whatīs for Bulgaria, there was threats from Romania to join Axis or Bulgaria would be occupied. So Bulgaria pretty much had to choose sides. So calling them "going Nazi" is exaggeration.

UK did a great job in WW II, there is no question about it but no country is perfect.
My country has also an example of mistakes and wrong decisions (turning down the alliance offer with Poland 1920īs, collabarating with Germany in 1941 etc).


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Maxxx Payne
  Mar 5, 07, 08:57  #129

Quoting: rtd5rtd
Iam half polish/half finnish(finnish father), but I speak polish perfectly and better than uk langage, so I am putting my ass back to tampere soon.
Nobody will attack me because I am polish there.




Well you wont attacked for being Polish here. But you can be attacked for several other reasons like sitting on "someoneīs seat" in a bus. Or getting an axe in your back ofyour head in a subway because someone had forgot to take their medīs in the morning.


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dannyboy
  Mar 5, 07, 09:29  #130

Just so you know, statistics were recently released in Ireland which show that over 84% criminal charges brought by Polish people are brought against another Pole.
Its Polish on Polish crime. (why do you think the crime rate dropped in Poland?)


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peterweg
  Mar 5, 07, 10:08  #131

Quoting: Maxxx Payne
Also UK didnīt help Poland much in Polish-Soviet war in 1920, because the British left didnīt like "White Poland".


Not really of any importance give that the government was right wing. The British Government tried to send arms to the Whites in Russia and the dockers went on strike about it.

The general mood in Britain was a hatred of war and they wanted nothing to do with it, if it was up to the public the war would have ended in 1917.


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Maxxx Payne
  Mar 5, 07, 11:10  #132

Quoting: peterweg

Not really of any importance give that the government was right wing. The British Government tried to send arms to the Whites in Russia and the dockers went on strike about it.

The general mood in Britain was a hatred of war and they wanted nothing to do with it, if it was up to the public the war would have ended in 1917.



Many leftists (not only in UK) hoped for defeat of Poland and spreading the Bolshevik revolution to rest of Europe and world. Winston Churchill, again, was a strong supporter of Poland. He knew what hell would break loose in rest of Europe if Poland was to fall.


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Annia [Guest]
  Mar 5, 07, 11:28  #133

Quoting: Maxxx Payne
Many leftists (not only in UK) hoped for defeat of Poland and spreading


I think he was talking about the general public who were completely worn out with war, poor and trying to re-build a country with very little to re-build it with, if families were lucky enough to not lose most of their young men in the WWI they lost them in WWII

Annia

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Maxxx Payne
  Mar 5, 07, 11:33  #134

Quoting: Annia
Quoting: Maxxx Payne
Many leftists (not only in UK) hoped for defeat of Poland and spreading


I think he was talking about the general public who were completely worn out with war, poor and trying to re-build a country with very little to re-build it with, if families were lucky enough to not lose most of their young men in the WWI they lost them in WWII

Annia



But it was not about sending British soldiers to Poland, but only arms that were no longer used.
It was not still right to left Poland to face a threat that was against Europe as whole.


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Annia [Guest]
  Mar 5, 07, 11:37  #135

Why was is down solely to Britain? What did your country do?

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BubbaIncognito [Guest]
  Mar 5, 07, 11:39  #136

Quoting: Annia
Why was is down solely to Britain?


it wasnt... you know that, i know that... and some people need a scapegoat to blame...

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Annia [Guest]
  Mar 5, 07, 11:42  #137

Why do people constantly critise the British, we became involved in a war that we didnt have to become involved in, we stepped up and helped Poland, yes they fort beside us at some point of that war but I think we did our bit, why blame the British, what about their neighbours who treated them in a rather brutal way. I have nothing to feel ashamed about, as far as I am concerned my country did it's best and I dont see what the big fuss is about, Poland has been free for 17 years but people are still moaning about what the British failed to do! Bit of a blame culture if you ask me and if they carry on like that, nothing will change IMHO.

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Maxxx Payne
  Mar 5, 07, 11:46  #138

Quoting: Annia
Why was is down solely to Britain? What did your country do?



Nothing, of course we were p*ss-poor back then and fearing Russian aggression from the North, but still... Look I am not only blaming UK here. It was just that Poland was virtually alone.


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Annia [Guest]
  Mar 5, 07, 11:46  #139

Quoting: BubbaIncognito
it wasnt... you know that, i know that... and some people need a scapegoat to blame...


Its just rather boring, from what I can tell the ones that are reciting the history about how bad the British are, are the ones in their early 20is, isn't it time to get on with life. Does anything actually get done in Poland because if people moan this much about one thing, what the hell else do they moan about.

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Annia [Guest]
  Mar 5, 07, 11:48  #140

Quoting: Maxxx Payne
Nothing, of course we were p*ss-poor back then and fearing Russian aggression from the North, but still... Look I am not only blaming UK here. It was just that Poland was virtually alone.


But why blame Britain at all, like you said your country wasn't up to fighting so how can you blame other countries? Britain had mass involvement, suffered heavy losses, economy was in ruins and in no positition to offer a helping had to anyone, least of all against a super power like russia.

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Annia [Guest]
  Mar 5, 07, 11:49  #141

Quoting: Maxxx Payne
Nothing, of course we were p*ss-poor back then and fearing Russian aggression from the North, but still... Look I am not only blaming UK here. It was just that Poland was virtually alone.


But why blame Britain at all, like you said your country wasn't up to fighting so how can you blame other countries? Britain had mass involvement, suffered heavy losses, economy was in ruins and in no positition to offer a helping had to anyone, least of all against a super power like russia.

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szarlotka
  Mar 5, 07, 11:51  #142

Quoting: Annia
Why do people constantly critise the British


Probably because we take it to heart too much so the game continues. It is not nice when we are accused of things that we did or did not do. It's not just Poland. Look at the slant taken about the UK by most Hollywood movies. We are paying for the history of being an imperialist arrogant state which I would freely admit to have been true. Like you say it would be nice for people to acknowledge that the Empire is long since gone and that we have moved on a bit. In time they will.


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Maxxx Payne
  Mar 5, 07, 11:53  #143

Quoting: Annia
Why do people constantly critise the British, we became involved in a war that we didnt have to become involved in, we stepped up and helped Poland, yes they fort beside us at some point of that war but I think we did our bit, why blame the British, what about their neighbours who treated them in a rather brutal way. I have nothing to feel ashamed about, as far as I am concerned my country did it's best and I dont see what the big fuss is about, Poland has been free for 17 years but people are still moaning about what the British failed to do! Bit of a blame culture if you ask me and if they carry on like that, nothing will change IMHO.



You are perfectly right about that it wasn't Britains fault that happened to Poland. I donīt think anyone here is trying to state something to contrary. It was just that Czech, Poland etc. felt that they were not getting any help despite the promises. Hence the "western betrayal". Maybe it is easier to cope with direct aggression than with betrayal, on mental level. I dunno...


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Giles [Guest]
  Mar 5, 07, 12:00  #144

The Uk only just finished paying their debt to the USA for WWII.

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Maxxx Payne
  Mar 5, 07, 12:01  #145

Quoting: Annia
But why blame Britain at all, like you said your country wasn't up to fighting so how can you blame other countries? Britain had mass involvement, suffered heavy losses, economy was in ruins and in no positition to offer a helping had to anyone, least of all against a super power like russia.



Look, it was about sending weapons, that were no longer needed, to Poland. Finland had weapons barely for itīs own.
And Russia wasnīt really a superpower back then although strenghening all the way.
Trades Union Congress in UK threatened with general strike cos they didnīt want to help "White Poland". Also David Lloyd George wanted trade agreement with Bolsheviks. So nation was divided there.
If Poland had falled, next one would have been Germany, then France and then...


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BubbaIncognito [Guest]
  Mar 5, 07, 12:03  #146

Quoting: Giles
The Uk only just finished paying their debt to the USA for WWII


how much was the polish debt (to the US?) for WWII and when was it finally paid off... ?

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Maxxx Payne
  Mar 5, 07, 12:04  #147

Quoting: BubbaIncognito
Quoting: Giles
The Uk only just finished paying their debt to the USA for WWII


how much was the polish debt (to the US?) for WWII and when was it finally paid off... ?



was there any ?


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BubbaIncognito [Guest]
  Mar 5, 07, 12:15  #148

Quoting: Maxxx Payne
was there any


lol... wouldnt it be funny if the uk had saddled with 60 yrs of debt for helping save poland's butt... and poland didnt owe a penny...

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szarlotka
Edited by: szarlotka  Mar 5, 07, 12:17  #149

The real debts for our freedom, never forget them

infoplease.com/ipa/A0004619.html

BW - couldn't edit the table so here is the link

PS Polish figure include civilian deaths


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BubbaIncognito [Guest]
  Mar 5, 07, 12:23  #150

figures arent clear szarlotka... could you seperate them for the UK, US, Poland and Germany please

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