British aggression and anti-Polonism or Polonophobia .

Yeah I do Artur, I was just making afew points thats all!!.....Actually I do value more than the French!

My last reply was sarcastic, to make It clear.

it IS important to say this

I didn't realise I had upset you so much Artur....My opinions were aimed more at Magda than anyone else here........She's got a habit of going completely over the top with her attidude towards Britain!

Helen of Troy.

Queen Mary 1 Aka "Bloody mary"

ahh you men always gotta have the last say!

You're catching on.....

and ANOTHER story, like my posts earlier from ENGLISH site

ENIGMA



polandinexile.com/enigma.html

BTW I was learning about history from english, Americans, Italians, Polish books, not like some of us only from English

Ok but it is quite along and complicated story, can I ask you to watch the dvd called 'Station X' The Code Breakers of Bletchley Park.......If you are interested in it, it will give you the complete unbiased story, then tell me what you think........I didn't say that Poland had nothing to do with it, I said it was the Ultra Decrypting machine that made the big difference.

Poles are allowed to work in uk for the same reasons why blacks and asians were allowed to work in th uk - redemption.

I'm impressed...can I ask where you get your information from? I've also been interested in this subject ever since meeting a Polish a Polish man's collegue used to listen into German messages sent in 30's peace time Germany, back when Enigma was used as a business tool to keep company secrets - secret. Who was that Polish bloke - Marian Rejewski? who smuggled the first Enigma machine out of Poland just before the war?
Just changing the subject slightly - was it last year...? in the international computer problem solving championship... was won by a Pole?? (whoops there goes...another...rubber tree...)

the extra ring was added at the outbreak of war when the Enigma was converted from business to war tool. Further rings were added later - and of course a computer had to be invented to keep up with it's complexity.

yeahh...the hurricane was awsome...shot down far more than the spitfire. Did ya know that in 1938 Poland had the most advanced fighter aircraft and bomber - the first all-metal bodies in the world. In the 2 weeks of action in Sept 1939 polish fighters shot down 134 Germans fighters compared to 873 German fighters in the 4 months of the battle of Brittain. Work that one out. Thank you ... and good night.

I love you

Polish Bomber 1938 - yeahhaaaa....

Polish_bomber_Los.jp.jpg

Did not. Thanks for telling me this one. I read that they used WW1 fighters??

wasnt the uni bomber polish...?

Is it me or is this site always preoccupied with the following threads:
1)WWII
2) Racism-the pro's and con's
3) National identity
4) immigration and emmigration
5) Iraq
6) Polish women are they or are they not the best women in the world?

And Hangovers...hold on that's just me !!!

Interesting argument. The truth lies somewhere in the middle of all this.

I'm afraid the 1 fact that nobody seemed to mention is that it was the USSR which won the war and did about 65% of the fighting. (I'm Irish so I'm not biased). All of the major turning points were in Russia on the eastern front, e.g Stalingrad.

The reason the germans lost was not because of manuveres by Allied troops.
It was because of a litany of f*ck ups by Hitler, for example, he diverted a panzer division en route to the Stalingrad to the causcas, then changed his mind so they arrived a week late and the offensive was lost.
They got bogged down in Stalingrad, had no oil, became encircled, no retreat no surrender, yada-yada-yada.

People who say that Britain betrayed Poland are ignorant. It was Roosevelt who placed too much trust in Stalin and Truman who was blinded.

Churchill openly wept when he realised Poland was lost after '45, go read his diaries.
Churchill was the guy who invented the phrase 'Iron Curtain'.

Last but not least, many British historians have said that were it not for the American input, they would have never allowed a power vacuum in central europe, thereby saving Poland from 50 years of BS under the commies.

Not just you. Trust me.

if you like only ENGLISH version of facts so I can advice you Lidell-Hart's History of Second World War-ENGLISH soldier and historician

I've got a hangover from here to Hannover.

Hehe..

Oh dear

I like the quote attributed to Winston Churchill (allegedly). When accused of being drunk by some woman socialite He replied:

And you Madam are ugly, the difference being is that tomorrow I shall be sober

Sort of on topic too given the WC reference

what always amazes me is people believe wars are won by military stratergy.
This is simply not the case. The rich win and the poor lose, now that is a truth.
When people are offend by the term 'collateral damage' in reference to whole sale slaughter of innocents. Or the genocide perpetrated against the jews, as a 'technicality'.
Although grossly understating and perceivably demeaning, they are in the bigger picture completely correct.
That is to say, the horrors of war, from the individual to multitude's experience are consequential to society, but not to those that run society.
Wars, in the last century have often used ideology as a cover, whilst in fact they have been vehicles to retain hedgemony and for industrial strtergy, i.e the annexation of oil feilds (hmm...sounds familiar).

The following information is a realitvely accurate, albeit brief resume of the true nature of WWII. The emergence of the war economy and the USA's drive against the old colonial world order.

The hidden History of World War II
Part I: Corporate America and the Rise of Hitler
By Bill Doares

wildcat-www.de/zirkular/16/z16histo.htm

Hitler i suppose

yep, and this order of world was finished with IIWW