Bush's attempt to boost the US economy

LOL, how did I know that?

The mind boggles, lol

HAHAHAHAHAHA seanus u and ur zionist conspiracy lies! The vast majority of intelligent people would laugh at u for saying such things lol.

Let them do so!! This man is well educated. Americans have been tricked into denial. Go and refute what he is saying then, rather than ridicule it. Making the Arabs scapegoats for the dirty deeds of Zionists is deplorable. Go and splash some cold water on ur face laddie

and I think you've been tricked into believing in all youtube garbage, all conspiracy theories sux. Thanks for the laughs youtube! :)

youtube.com/watch?v=GkoJsfctWjA&feature=related, this is garbage???? I think not. This dude is way more intelligent than ur debunkers. He's a Republican patriot and offers a more objective analysis than "all conspiracy theories sux". Incidentally, it should be suck and not sux, many Americans are still getting to grips with the idea of plurals and singulars.

Eurola, it's pointless me even discussing sth with u as ur national media is dominated by Jews and Zionists. Even Dick Cheney cautioned against going into Iraq for fear of creating a power vacuum. How well founded his fears were.

Have u even read any stuff on the involvement of the Zionists in 9/11? What foreign press do u read? I bet u r tucked away in some cosy little US town, reading right-wing press. Youtube does churn out some wacky stuff, I agree with u, but I tend to skip that material.

There are those who will leak the truth in due course. Sibel Edmonds being one. She is of Turkish stock and has spoken out against her country. No-one had considered, even remotely, the possibility of their involvement but she laid it b4 4 all 2 c. The contacts they had in the higher echelons of the US govt is revealing.

Let me guess, u love Pakistan and Saudi Arabia too. What's ur take on them?

Seanus - I tried to view the link but the sound is bad and the clip lasts 90 mins.
What is the gist of it and is it relevant to the thread title ?

It is centrally relevant in that he views the legitimacy of going into Iraq to find WMD's. He was the Chief Inspector of the UN team for a long time (7 years). I find it hard to believe that his name wasn't bandied about more, all we heard back in the day was Hans Blix this, Hans Blix that. He is not pro-Saddam, he is fully aware of the heinous nature of his regime, he was there to do his job to the best of his ability. He was interested in full disclosure of the real position, not govt distortion. The economy of the US will get stronger after the repair work has been completed in Iraq.

Oil is predicted to run out as a finite resource by 2035, maybe even sooner if the untapped oil isn't tapped and refined correctly. This will boost the US economy immeasurably and WMD was a central justification for taking out Saddam and going into Iraq. Scott Ritter has written 2 books that I know of, Waging Peace and Regime Change.

Of his own admission, he was a US spy in Iraq and was a former marine. Hard to knock his credentials. He is a man of conviction who likes hard facts. He doesn't follow conspiracy theories closely, instead he follows his own nose and experience.

Szkotja2007, the clip is audible if u tune ur ears to it.

Thanks for explaining Seanus.
I have seen other Scott Ritter clips and he seems like a forthright kinda guy who doesn't seem to have alterior motives.

This may be the case in the US but there are new fields being found elsewhere - Vietnam etc
Oil is a basic resource for any expanding ecomnomy, obviously, what interests me is that the forthcoming recession would have happened without the increase in Oil prices anyway.
Another interesting point is that the Oil licences haven't been handed out by the Iraqi government yet, why not ?

youtube.com/watch?v=ujNBLZxAI8s&feature=user, this is a very interesting video

boingboing.net/2008/02/21/commerce-dept-docs-c.html, bad

truthout.org/docs_04/102004K.shtml

cfr.org/publication/15404/, the debate rages as to whether the economy will grow or plummet.

Bush must have some pretty good economists

Warren Buffet is good enough for me-
Warren Buffett declares America in recession

"When your economy is ooching along, it's important to let people have more of their own money". Said by GW Bush in 2002. Is he really doing this? Many don't have enough money for basic healthcare and standard provisions. The US economy needs to be bailed out, and soon!!

yes he is.. I really dont know if it will do any good, but he is giving back quite alot
and there is income limits ..

To do otherwise would be in breach of a core Republican principle. Has he reinstilled some kind of feelgood factor that has been absent for so long? It is a well known fact that the Chinese economy is thriving but there are still key areas that can be bolstered in the US. Bush just has to look at how previous success stories came about

So?

There's money going out to people who don't even pay income taxes and to big businesses as de facto subsidies.

This is only going to screw around with our economy more. We need less government intervention, not more.

The US was never a paradise but it also wasn't not such a bad country.
Why did they have to fvck it all up!

Have you lived in the US? I thought you were north of the New York State border.

:) they meaning the republicans?? agree



hes a visitor I take it.. :)

This is a joke gobbled up by general public. If the government was really serious about the issue it would make better choices regarding the money it spends and at the same time improving U.S economy without resorting to tax cuts for the corporations as well as individual tax payers. The amount of money being spent on the wars by itself could improve U.S economy regardless of one’s view if it should continue or not. This money eventually will have to be paid off by U.S tax payers, but the government should make sure it’s being spent in the U.S creating new jobs and providing a source of income for the government as a tax on the profits of the corporations that get the government contracts.

On March 12 the biggest contractor for the U.S army Halliburton has announced a move of the corporate headquarters to Dubai UAE. Most Fortune 500 companies have global operations, so that moving an entire headquarters to another country is not necessary. With today's technologies there's no real reason to have to physically relocate. Those that have are trying to evade U.S. oversight and tax authorities. And Dubai is a tax-free haven, no corporate or employee taxes. Despite the billions in US government contracts Halliburton has received for the operations in Iraq to post Katrina, it has no loyalty or sense of obligation to US troops or taxpayers. The company has proven adept at using offshore subsidiaries to circumvent restrictions on doing business in Iran and to elude responsibility for paying benefits to former employees. To elude oversight and accountability to taxpayers, Halliburton has used multiple layers of subcontractors.

By making sure that the contracts for the military are only awarded to the companies that pay taxes in the U.S and use U.S based subcontractors, some of the money spent on the war would stay home. Can you imagine the impact this would have on job creation and tax revenue generated back to the government?

Recent announcement of the military contract for the new fleet of refueling aircraft going to the Airbus is also not helping at all. Same goes for the infrastructure improvement contacts etc. At the time when we have lost so many manufacturing jobs to overseas and the U.S economy in shambles, it is a government responsibility to award contracts only to the U.S based corporations that use home based subcontractors; after all it’s our taxes that pay for it all.

This business with the refund will only keep the economy afloat till next election (for those of you who don’t know it’s in November), yet it’s being sold as a big boost because all of that money will be spent at local mom and pop business. I know this is not a popular view and many will argue otherwise but if we do nothing this upcoming election and keep the same corrupt government in place with its powerful business lobby cronies in place and business as usual I foresee a dark times indeed in the near future.

Who’s going to bail us out? (Many out there are just waiting for us to slip up). We can only relly on ourselves and fixing this mass is our responsibility. When **** will finely hit the fan, it will be blamed on illegal immigrants (after all the escape goat is there in place) not on the choices the government has made and the shady business practices big business practiced for the last decade or so.

I watched on a TV program that a lady was married and then they got a divorce. She signed the tax returns that her husband gave her and when they were divorced the IRS wrote her a letter and told her she owed so many thousands. She had 3 kids and just got on her feet after the divorce and bought a home for them.They told her they couldn't find the husband so she has to pay. Obviously she didn't have the money so they took everything from her and they were basically they were homeless. The IRs is ruthless and once your name gets in the system with them they will destroy you.

If the average American wouldn't have been so gullible as to listen to everything their idiot president said, they probably wouldn't be in the sh*tty mess they're in. But of course, one must be 'patriotic' at all costs, even if it goes against logic.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

The last election was such a mess...nearly tied....problems with accurate vote tallying!
Were you asleep during all that? :(

I wish I didn't have to hear about American politics as much as I do.


I'm not talking about the inaccuracy of the voting system. I'm saying that its bad enough that it was such a close vote in the first place. Bush is a complete moron and the fact that so many millions of people wanted him for a second term is worrisome. I'm not speaking for all Americans, but enough that they almost tied, and that he 'won'. I get that he has connections and all that jazz but even with all those connections he wouldn't have come close to winning if so many Americans didn't like him.


no....

You said "the average American".
That would be me.
I can't stand Bush. I have never voted for him. The people who did in the first election were heavily Christian, right wing, traditional types who touted the importance of family values. In the second election it had more to do with the war, I think. "staying the course" and all that bullsh!t.

And if you are so familiar with US Politics, then you would know all about the faulty intelligence gathered about the WMD's. (In fact there still is no final definitive answer on that one...the UN certainly thought they were there, too.)

Just know that some of us Americans get very sick and tired of being lumped into the same category of those who support Bush! :(

Yeah, I can see right through Bush and what lurks behind

There's nothing definitive on this yet.

I have to apologize for that....I can totally understand not wanting to be lumped in that group.


I guess I meant politically 'average'. Since Bush won, his supporters are the ones that I see as the 'average American'.


And its pretty sickening.

A quote from Kurt Vonnegut "In These Times"

"The only difference between Hitler and Bush is that Hitler was elected."

(I agree, cause I'm not 100% sure that Bush was elected!)

Vonnegut = awesome (just had to say that)

Yes he was! A very smart man and a huge influence on me. I read every one of his works in college. I didn't know until recently about the book "Timequake" 1997...now I have to get it!


Thanks.....my blood pressure is going down now! :)

Mali, a friend of mine shared this with me.
Please check it out if you haven't seen it

http://www.sorryeverybody.com/

URL

Thats my goal for the summer. To read everything the man has ever written.


Sometimes I forget how insulting it can be!

Thanks for sharing the url, Shopgirl!


That was very touching.