ACN direct selling telecom company in Poland

rekrolThreads: 2 Posts: 2 Joined: Feb 11, 11 ♂	Feb 11, 11, 21:17 #1
As I know, ACN started in Poland 2 years ago. This year it is coming to Hungary as well. Can anybody share his/her experience about ACN!? Videophone prices, rates; mobile packages, rates? I'd be glad to get some info!

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Feb 11, 11, 21:52 #2
rekrol: As I know, ACN started in Poland 2 years ago. This year it is coming to Hungary as well. Can anybody share his/her experience about ACN!? Videophone prices, rates; mobile packages, rates? I'd be glad to get some info! ACN, isn't that one of the pyramid schemes that Donald Trump endorsed?

rekrolThreads: 2 Posts: 2 Joined: Feb 11, 11 ♂	Feb 13, 11, 11:47 #3
Yes, it is. Do you have any info of it in Poland?

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Feb 28, 11, 11:50 #4

rekrol:

Yes, it is. Do you have any info of it in Poland?

Hi folks,

I found this thread by looking for google "acn meeting polland". I work in ACN as thousand of people that are regularly payed month after month.Unfortunately MOST of the people speaks without getting into the matter because it's so easy to open the mouth than connect the brain. Here is explained why multilevel marketing IS NOT a pyramid scheme:

w w w.acnintegrity.com/nopyramidscheme.html

Also the pyramids are located in Egypt :-D

colossus73

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Edited by: Harry Feb 28, 11, 12:05 #5

colossus73:

I work in ACN as thousand of people that are regularly payed month after month.Unfortunately MOST of the people speaks without getting into the matter because it's so easy to open the mouth than connect the brain. Here is explained why multilevel marketing IS NOT a pyramid scheme:

w w w.acnintegrity.com/nopyramidscheme.html

Also the pyramids are located in Egypt :-D

So you have an interest in this business. Montana’s Securities Commissioner does not and according to her "ACN operates an illegal pyramid scheme that only benefits members if and when they find enough new members to join the scheme. Once enrolled, members who join the program earn compensation for each new person they enlist." Official charges are here

Some facts and figures (taken from here):
* In 2009, 312 people in Montana were listed as ACN salespeople.
* They paid to ACN in “fees, renewals, supplies and conventions” (not products) a total of $234,813.02
* This is an average payment, before products and other normal business expenses, of $752 per person.
* In the same time period, this group was paid a total of $16,615.08 in commissions by ACN.
* That is an average income of $53 each, a net loss of about $700 a person, just from fees and and other direct costs to participate.
* However, from actual sales to end-users, they earned only $896 in total
* That is an average of $2.82 per person in revenue from sales.

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Feb 28, 11, 12:17 #6

colossus73:

Unfortunately MOST of the people speaks without getting into the matter because it's so easy to open the mouth than connect the brain. Here is explained why multilevel marketing IS NOT a pyramid scheme:

If it's not a pyramid scheme, can you post details of how you make money without focusing on recruiting more people? How many subscriptions do you have to sell to make $1000/mo? How much does it cost to buy in? Do you get any of the $500 buy in fee for recruiting someone? Does that make up a large part of your income? How many "representatives" never break even in the program? What's the average monthly income of a rep?

The only thing that differentiates this from a pyramid scheme is the underlying weak token product. Good luck selling it over here, although there are probably plenty of desperate people that you can scam out of the startup fees.

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Feb 28, 11, 15:13 #7

Harry:

So you have an interest in this business. Montana’s Securities Commissioner does not and according to her "ACN operates an illegal pyramid scheme that only benefits members if and when they find enough new members to join the scheme. Once enrolled, members who join the program earn compensation for each new person they enlist." Official charges are here

Montana's Securities Commissioner is wrong since people who are recruited in ACN do NOT let the person that recruited them earn nothing unless they acquire customers. ACN enlarges some bonus EACH month that go far beyond the fee you pay to get into the activity. We earn from the bill of our customers month after month and we can do that in 21 countries (23 at the end of march). We do this by means of a license whose profits who can pass to the spouse or the parents in case of death of the ACN rep or can be sold like any activity.

Again, get acquainted into the matter, the head can be used into three ways:

1) to separate the ears
2) to have an hat on
3) to think

I chose the third, you all?

Sincerely,
colossus73 proud to be an ACN independent representative

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Edited by: delphiandomine Feb 28, 11, 15:16 #8

colossus73:

I chose the third, you all?

Anyone who thinks wouldn't get involved with ACN or the like.

http://assaultofknowledge.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/fox-11-news-investi gates-the-acn-scam/

"they prey on the weak and desperate"...hmm

Even their own legal representative says that (as seen in the video) - "the majority probably do not make a profit".

ACN is about as big as a pyramid scheme as it gets.

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Edited by: colossus73 Feb 28, 11, 15:21 #9

convex:

If it's not a pyramid scheme, can you post details of how you make money without focusing on recruiting more people? How many subscriptions do you have to sell to make $1000/mo? How much does it cost to buy in? Do you get any of the $500 buy in fee for recruiting someone? Does that make up a large part of your income? How many "representatives" never break even in the program? What's the average monthly income of a rep?

In ACN you can earn by acquiring customers since you don't loose them until they remain ACN customers because we are paid from their bills. Regarding recruiting people what do you find easier? Acquire 2000 customers or teaching to 100 person to find 20 customers? We don't get any of $500 for recruiting someone, talk to an ACN rep and see by yourself but please connect the brain instead of talking senseless.

convex:

The only thing that differentiates this from a pyramid scheme is the underlying weak token product. Good luck selling it over here, although there are probably plenty of desperate people that you can scam out of the startup fees.

Do you remember the FAX machine? Why shall I buy a FAX machine if on the other part there is no FAX machine that receives my document? This was the question asked by many when sellers tried to sell the fax, but nowadays do you know a company that doesn't have it?

Who made money with the FAX? Those who introduced it in the market or those who are selling it now? Weak token product? Please wash your mouth before speaking.

As I said at the beginning I did come here to defend my L E G A L activity from the ignorants. Good luck to you my friend.

colossus73

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Feb 28, 11, 15:34 #10

colossus73:

As I said at the beginning I did come here to defend my L E G A L activity from the ignorants. Good luck to you my friend.

Legal? You might want to have a word with the Federal Court of Australia about it - http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/federal_ct/2005/276.html

colossus73:

In ACN you can earn by acquiring customers since you don't loose them until they remain ACN customers because we are paid from their bills.

Indeed - and furthermore, if they don't pay your bills, you get nothing.

Perhaps you might want to tell us why you aren't allowed to market your telefony product, but why you ARE allowed to convince people to sign up as an ACN rep?

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Edited by: colossus73 Feb 28, 11, 15:52 #11

delphiandomine:

Legal? You might want to have a word with the Federal Court of Australia about it - http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/federal_ct/2005/276.html

Yes L E G A L, ACN is still operating in Australia. That means N O T H I N G buddy. ACN operates in Australia until now. Anybody can file a case against ACN accusing it of this and that, that documents means N O T H I N G, you are wrong, completely wrong when saying MULTILEVEL MARKETING is pyramid scheme. Read the books, enrich your culture, think with YOUR mind, do not surf the Internet for getting acquainted near the wrong people, ask the right people.

delphiandomine:

Indeed - and furthermore, if they don't pay your bills, you get nothing.

Ahahahahahahaah of course you get nothing! Do you know any company that gives you money for a gift? Please be serious!

delphiandomine:

Perhaps you might want to tell us why you aren't allowed to market your telefony product, but why you ARE allowed to convince people to sign up as an ACN rep?

We do NOT convince people, if there are some ACN reps who do this they are wrong, we SORT people, that's very different. If I have to invest my time and my money (to buy gasoline to go back and forth) with a person who shows interest he/she HAS to convince me first WHY I have to recruit her. We do not convince anyone.

colossus73

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Feb 28, 11, 16:07 #12

colossus73:

Anybody can file a case against ACN

Yes, and in this case it is the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission: "an independent statutory authority. It was formed in 1995 to administer the Trade Practices Act 1974 and other acts.

The ACCC promotes competition and fair trade in the market place to benefit consumers, business and the community. It also regulates national infrastructure industries. Its primary responsibility is to ensure that individuals and businesses comply with the Commonwealth's competition, fair trading and consumer protection laws." http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/54137

So, do we believe bodies which protect the rights of people or a person who makes money by supporting a particular company? I wonder.

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Edited by: colossus73 Feb 28, 11, 20:19 #13

Harry:

So, do we believe bodies which protect the rights of people or a person who makes money by supporting a particular company? I wonder.

So, why six years later from the year that case was filed by "bodies which protect the rights of people" that is 2005, ACN is still active in Australia? I doubt ACN is a pyramid scheme. Use the brain buddy! Talk to an ACN rep if you want to know the truth.

Who is the next? I'm warming up now! Come in this thread people, come to sling mud on the company of which I'm a partner, I will sling back that same mud on you!

colossus73

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Feb 28, 11, 20:37 #14
colossus73: I will sling back that same mud on you! i would rather u kept to the topic. it goes in the bin otherwise.

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Feb 28, 11, 20:55 #15

Again, get acquainted into the matter, the head can be used into three ways:

1) to separate the ears
2) to have an hat on
3) to think

colossus73:

Do you remember the FAX machine? Why shall I buy a FAX machine if on the other part there is no FAX machine that receives my document? This was the question asked by many when sellers tried to sell the fax, but nowadays do you know a company that doesn't have it?

Who made money with the FAX? Those who introduced it in the market or those who are selling it now? Weak token product?

This is they same crap ppl spouted when I was in ACN, They just repeat it lke parrots. I am wondering if collosus even know what he is saying

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Feb 28, 11, 22:26 #16

colossus73:

Who is the next? I'm warming up now! Come in this thread people, come to sling mud on the company of which I'm a partner, I will sling back that same mud on you!

Keep going - nothing puts off people more than a brainwashed individual who is desperately trying to convince himself that he'll see a return on that $500 investment.

Tellus, Colossus - why did ACN's legal representative say, on video, to Fox -

the majority probably do not make a profit

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Feb 28, 11, 22:32 #17
Try everything once, except incest, Morris dancing and Amway.

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Edited by: colossus73 Feb 28, 11, 22:48 #18

delphiandomine:

Keep going - nothing puts off people more than a brainwashed individual who is desperately trying to convince himself that he'll see a return on that $500 investment.

Desperately? I have already seen a return of my 478,80€ you loser!

delphiandomine:

Tellus, Colossus - why did ACN's legal representative say, on video, to Fox -
the majority probably do not make a profit

Yes, this is true. Try to guess why...

welshguyinpola:

This is they same crap ppl spouted when I was in ACN, They just repeat it lke parrots. I am wondering if collosus even know what he is saying

Aha, here is the truth revealed:

"When I was in ACN"

So you didn't have success in ACN and the fault lies in it? Sorry buddy the fault lies in you because you didn't have the right mindset to keep on going. You had instead the wrong mindset, the one of the L O S E R S...

Who is the next?

colossus73

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Edited by: delphiandomine Feb 28, 11, 22:59 #19

colossus73:

Desperately? I have already seen a return of my 478,80€ you loser!

Sure you have.

You're not going to prove it though, are you? :)

colossus73:

Yes, this is true. Try to guess why...

Not hard to guess why - the commission structure is so heavily weighted against the "independent representative" that there's absolutely no way they're going to break even.

Tell me - why did the State of Montana say that almost every single person who had signed up to distribute ACN's product had lost money?

But hey - anyone reading can read this for themselves - http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3036

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Mar 1, 11, 08:05 #20

delphiandomine:

Sure you have.
You're not going to prove it though, are you? :)

Of course I'm not because you will say that the my bank account is retouched with Photoshop. I don't care you believe me or not Delphiandomine, I have had a return of my investment. But tell me, what do you REALLY want from your life? Do you have a dream to achieve? Get acquainted into a matter by YOURSELF instead of keep on posting blogs with personal opinions of losers, negative and always complaining people.

People do earn money with MLM, this is a FACT not a personal opinion. But only those who keep on going and going and going. Only those who REALLY believe they will have success, O N L Y T H O S E ones.

You all keep on thinking MLM is illegal, is a pyramid scheme, I can't change and I don't want to change your negative, pessimistic and always complaining mindset. Remember: FACT vs OPINION, fact WINS.

delphiandomine:

Tell me - why did the State of Montana say that almost every single person who had signed up to distribute ACN's product had lost money?

ACN in America gives 90 days to quit if I'm not wrong, here in Italy 14 days and you have back the money directly on your bank account. Is it fault of ACN or fault of the person?

Delphiandomine, you washed your brain with the WRONG shampoo. Do a favour to yourself and read books such as "Poor Dad, Rich Dad" and "School of Business" both of Robert T. Kiyosaki. Enrich your culture, stop listening to losers, pessimist and negative persons, think about the dream you had when you were a child if you ever had any.

delphiandomine:

But hey - anyone reading can read this for themselves - http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3036

Yes as I said above, the personal opinions of the L O S E R S. But again FACT vs OPINION: fact W I N S.

Next please! I'm really having fun here, thanks to all of you of course...

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Mar 1, 11, 09:24 #21

colossus73:

People do earn money with MLM, this is a FACT not a personal opinion.

People make money from paedophilia, this is FACT not a personal opinion. But only the ones who are happy to profit from the misery of others.

colossus73:

Yes, this is true. Try to guess why...

Because the MLM business model relies on revenue streams from both consumers and suckers who are drawn in by promises of easy riches and find only misery.

colossus73:

People do earn money with MLM, this is a FACT not a personal opinion. But only those who keep on going and going and going. Only those who REALLY believe they will have success, O N L Y T H O S E ones.

In other words, only those who are happy to profit from the misery of others. Which brings us back to paedophiles.

colossus73:

Do you have a dream to achieve?

My dreams don't revolve around money, which is probably why I've never been tempted by the offers of 'easy money' from MLM shysters.

colossus73:

think about the dream you had when you were a child if you ever had any.

Does your dream revolve around children and having them, in a manner of speaking, by any chance?

colossus73Threads: - Posts: 14 Joined: Feb 28, 11 ♂	Mar 1, 11, 09:38 #22
Misery? Paedophiles? Easy riches? Harry you are not lost yet, please wash your brain with the right shampoo: http://www.donandnancyfaillapublications.com/book_1.html and see what MLM really IS! Next please!

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 1, 11, 09:47 #23
colossus73: please wash your brain with the right shampoo You suggest brainwashing?! Are you trying to convince us that ACN is a cult rather than just a scam? I'm beginning to think that you actually work for Amway and you have started this thread specifically to drive suckers away from ACN and into the arms of Amway.

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Edited by: colossus73 Mar 1, 11, 09:50 #24

Harry:

You suggest brainwashing?!
Are you trying to convince us that ACN is a cult rather than just a scam?

I'm beginning to think that you actually work for Amway and you have started this thread specifically to drive suckers away from ACN and into the arms of Amway.

Ahahahahaahah you funny Harry! I'm not trying to convince anyone, we SORT people. That is VERY different. I'm just defending my activity but you know this very well...

Also you are already brainwashed Harry, I'm just telling you to use the right shampoo...

Next please!

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Mar 1, 11, 10:20 #25

colossus73:

I'm not trying to convince anyone, we SORT people. That is VERY different.

You SORT people? Do you sort them into 'special' and 'not special', with only the 'special' people being allowed to join? ACN sounds more and more like a cult by the minute.

colossus73:

Also you are already brainwashed Harry

No, I've never been brainwashed; although you very clearly have been, which explains why you think that MLM is such a wonderful idea.

colossus73:

I'm just telling you to use the right shampoo...

Why do you keep talking about shampoo? ACN don't sell shampoo. But Amway do! I was right, you are a secret Amway agent who has come here to drive people away from ACN and into the arms of Amway!

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Mar 1, 11, 11:24 #26

colossus73:

People do earn money with MLM, this is a FACT not a personal opinion.

Can you provide us with statistics on the amount of people who leave ACN with a profit?

I still wonder why ACN allows people to "cold market" when attempting to recruit people into "working" as an ACN reseller, but why they also ban cold marketing of the ACN product? You'd think it would be the opposite way round....

colossus73:

ACN in America gives 90 days to quit if I'm not wrong, here in Italy 14 days and you have back the money directly on your bank account. Is it fault of ACN or fault of the person?

I'm asking you why the State of Montana said that almost every single person who had signed up with ACN had lost money. Answer the question.

Keep going though - you're doing a great job of showing us how ACN is all hype and very, very little substance.

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Mar 1, 11, 11:42 #27

Harry:

No, I've never been brainwashed; although you very clearly have been, which explains why you think that MLM is such a wonderful idea.

YES, MLM is one of the ways to achieve financial freedom Harry. Do you know what it means financial freedom?

Harry:

Why do you keep talking about shampoo? ACN don't sell shampoo. But Amway do! I was right, you are a secret Amway agent who has come here to drive people away from ACN and into the arms of Amway!

Ahahahahahaahahha stop drinking vodka buddy! You funny! Ahahahahahahahahahahah

delphiandomine:

I'm asking you why the State of Montana said that almost every single person who had signed up with ACN had lost money. Answer the question.

I've already replied, go up in the thread and see my reply. Also watch the "people losing money" here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8pe7675FkE

Watch and BELIEVE, because only if you BELIEVE you can achieve your goals, your dreams (unless you ever had any...). With MLM you can achieve F I N A N C I A L - F R E E D O M but you have to BELIEVE FIRST. Change shampoo but please do not buy the Amway one ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Next please!

colossus73

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Mar 1, 11, 11:49 #28

And - folks - there you have it. Instead of providing a concrete answer to this one very simple question -

delphiandomine:

Can you provide us with statistics on the amount of people who leave ACN with a profit?

We instead get endless drivel about believing in something.

I've seen figures of a 98% failure rate within ACN. Ask yourself - do you want to "invest" into a business that has such a high failure rate?

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Mar 1, 11, 11:58 #29

delphiandomine:

Ask yourself - do you want to "invest" into a business that has such a high failure rate?

More to the point, if I knew a business opportunity which was a guaranteed profit, I wouldn't be shouting about it on websites: I'd be busy making the money before other people realised how to make the cash.

colossus73:

Do you know what it means financial freedom?

If it means owning one's own home and car, being good enough at a job which one enjoys to earn a good living from it, having debts of zero and enough money in one's bank account to buy a new BMW in cash today, then yes I do have personal experience of what financial freedom means.

Well, apart from a few outstanding bar bills in various places but those don't count; especially as bars only give tabs to people they are completely sure have the financial means to settle their tabs whenever asked to do so.

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Edited by: colossus73 Mar 1, 11, 12:01 #30

Harry:

If it means owning one's own home and car, being good enough at a job which one enjoys to earn a good living from it, having debts of zero and enough money in one's bank account to buy a new BMW in cash today, then yes I do have personal experience of what financial freedom means.

It doesn't mean this infact. Read books such as "Poor Dad, Rich Dad", "At school of business" of RObert Kiyosaky and "45 seconds" of Don Failla instead of speaking by reading what is written on the Internet.

First get acquainted with a matter by reading books related to it like the ones above in case of MLM and THEN you speak since the mouth will be connected to the brain and please stop drinking vodka buddy :)

delphiandomine:

I've seen figures of a 98% failure rate within ACN. Ask yourself - do you want to "invest" into a business that has such a high failure rate?

And - folks - there you have it. DON'T "invest" in ACN otherwise who will pay the utility bills from which we ACN reps achieve financial freedom?

Next please!

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