The best job in the World - Polish farmer.

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Oct 19, 10, 16:24 #1

First: As a Polish farmer you are not expected to pay any income tax!

plus: local taxes are reallly low.
plus: Payments into the Social Security system are at the level of 10-20% of these paid by the town dwellers. But received pensions are equal.
plus: you are entitled to buy diesel fuel at a special (cheaper - of course) price.
plus: You are entitled to the money from the European Union.
plus: If you want to build house for yourself on your grounds - you will pay only a small % of the usual legal fees.

And much more.

Basically - being a farmer in Poland is great!

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,470 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Oct 19, 10, 17:10 #2
enkidu: Basically - being a farmer in Poland is great! Yeh but not many are rich and the workload!! i was toying with the idea recently.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Oct 19, 10, 17:15 #3
Wroclaw Boy: Yeh but not many are rich and the workload!! i was toying with the idea recently. Most have small plots. You can't make money with a small field :(

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Oct 19, 10, 17:24 #4

Wroclaw Boy:

Yeh but not many are rich and the workload!! i was toying with the idea recently.

Taking under consideration that the vast majority of them own the land, houses and machinery and the word "mortgage" is virtually unknown to them, I think it would be fair to presume, that 90% of them are richer than I am. And probably richer than you are. :-)

Workload - I've spend 7 years of my life in the living in the small village. I know something about the workload. There are times in year when they work around the clock (like August and September). But right now most of them just resting. And there will be nothing to do until April.

To acquire a legal status of the farmer is quite difficult even for the Polish citizen. For a foreigner - it's nearly impossible.

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Oct 19, 10, 18:03 #5

Wroclaw Boy:

Yeh but not many are rich and the workload!! i was toying with the idea recently.

There is a possibility to turn a farm,

1. Buy the land only.
2. Apply for Eu funding for building/creating an organic farm
60% costs towards new build
30% for renovation

3. Apply to the http://www.minrol.gov.pl/ for supervision to classify the land as organic, it takes three years.

Once the land has been approved set up your first crop and operate a box scheme, example http://www.riverford.co.uk/

After 3 years sell the business as a going concern, to a foreigner.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,440 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Oct 19, 10, 18:11 #6
enkidu: The best job in the World - Polish farmer. I have family members who would strongly disagree with you. They worked most their lives like slaves almost just to be able to feed and clothe themselves and their kids.

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Oct 19, 10, 18:19 #7

enkidu:

plus: You are entitled to the money from the European Union.

warszawski:

2. Apply for Eu funding for building/creating an organic farm

You know im getting tired of hearing those words, it all sounds rosy on paper, however actually getting the money is a totally different cup of tea.

EU grants my ass....I just dont see it at ground level, maybe a few nice tractors driving about but thats about it.

PennBoy:

I have family members who would strongly disagree with you. They worked most their lives like slaves almost just to be able to feed and clothe themselves and their kids.

Yeh im surrounded by farms and farmers some with 100 hectare + plots, i dont see any nice cars parked in their driveways either.

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Oct 19, 10, 18:26 #8

Wroclaw Boy:

Yeh im surrounded by farms and farmers some with 100 hectare + plots, i dont see any nice cars parked in their driveways either.

My point exactly, it was that whole communist brainwashing that told them if they work hard they'll never go hungry help feed the nation and will have everything, maybe help feed the nation and that's it, no material things. They wanted to keep them there because no one wanted to do that work. Nowadays most young people leave for the city to work or a university, women and old drunks are left.

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Edited by: warszawski Oct 19, 10, 18:27 #9

PennBoy:

I have family members who would strongly disagree with you. They worked most their lives like slaves almost just to be able to feed and clothe themselves and their kids.

The farmers were happier under communism, because everything they produced was bought by the "sovhozy". Today a farmer has to be good at what he does and is expected to be a businessman as well. Most farmers don't grow, because they have nowhere to sell.

Wroclaw Boy:

You know im getting tired of hearing those words, it all sounds rosy on paper, however actually getting the money is a totally different cup of tea.EU grants my ass....I just dont see it at ground level, maybe a few nice tractors driving about but thats about it.

The money is there, but there is a lot of paperwork to go through and you have to have a clear knowledge of the procedure. That is the reason most lecturers at the SGGW have farm/orchards as a secondary income.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,470 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Oct 19, 10, 19:15 #10
warszawski: The money is there Not in my sector, for the last two windows funds were cut by 80%, so they become selective. Most applications are turned down. As i said lots of talk but getting your hands on the money is something else.

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Edited by: enkidu Oct 19, 10, 20:49 #11

PennBoy:

I have family members who would strongly disagree with you. They worked most their lives like slaves almost just to be able to feed and clothe themselves and their kids.

Yeah. Moaning about hardship and lack of money is our national trait. I did the same thing when living in the countryside.

Wroclaw Boy:

EU grants my ass....I just dont see it at ground level, maybe a few nice tractors driving about but thats about it.

I chcked a price of the one medium-class tractor.
Type: Massey Ferguson 7480 DYNA VT
Condition: Used
Year of production: 2006
Price: 168 672 PLN ( 59 753$)

Not bad for a poor guy, heh?

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Oct 19, 10, 21:54 #12
enkidu: The best job in the World - Polish farmer. Far from it! The best job in the world - banker. - you lend money you don't have - you get interest on money you never had - when you screw up the tax payer bails you out - taxes you pay come back to you in the form of interest on money you never had but still lent to individuals and governments.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Oct 19, 10, 21:57 #13
z_darius: Far from it! I have to agree with you. I am in the wrong business.

away guyThreads: 12 Posts: 392 Joined: Mar 16, 07 ♂	Oct 19, 10, 22:27 #14
This is a stupid post... farmers in Poland have it very hard and they work very hard .. most of us even me would not even keep up with them !!! Most of them are poor and farms are small .. you can only grow some crops or do dairy farming in most places and these jobs are nowhere near from easy !

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Oct 19, 10, 22:32 #15

away guy:

Most of them are poor and farms are small .. you can only grow some crops or do dairy farming in most places and these jobs are nowhere near from easy !

hm... interesting... during student times, i have had a few friends out of Krakow whos parents were farmers... they have never complained about anything, they were hard workers, but no complains about a bad situation... they were always bringing lots of yummy food to the campus from a weekend at home... we visited often during school breaks for camping...
i think a farmer's job has its pro and cons, like any other profession...

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Edited by: dtaylor5632 Oct 19, 10, 22:34 #16
pgtx: i think a farmer's job has its pro and cons, like any other profession... It's tough work, long hours and not much thanks, but cant be great too :) From personal experience though our family has down sized the size of our cattle herd and moved into horse racing and breeding stock. Most of the land, I'd say about 80% now is subsidized by the EU.

away guyThreads: 12 Posts: 392 Joined: Mar 16, 07 ♂	Oct 19, 10, 22:36 #17
pgtx: hm... interesting... during student times Yes back in the days all the countries and living situations were better everywhere.... These days everything costs more and the farmers suffer.. also they must fight climate change and if they are dairy farmers they can never go together as a family on a holiday , not even one day away.....

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Oct 19, 10, 22:41 #18

away guy:

Yes back in the days

how old the heck do you think i am? lol

away guy:

These days everything costs more and the farmers suffer..

farmers suffer? and what about people who has to triple pay for what he sells...

away guy:

fight climate

like what? an iceberg melting? floods happen, had happened, and always will...

away guy:

dairy farmers they can never go together as a family on a holiday , not even one day away.....

oh please!!!! farmers party a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

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Oct 19, 10, 22:51 #19

away guy:

This is a stupid post... farmers in Poland have it very hard and they work very hard .. most of us even me would not even keep up with them !!! Most of them are poor and farms are small .. you can only grow some crops or do dairy farming in most places and these jobs are nowhere near from easy !

This was some poetry.
Now it's time for some facts:

- Average farm in Poland is 10,23 ha (102300 square meters).
- Polish farmer really does not supposed to pay any income tax.
- Average monthly payment into the social security system:
Farmers: 23.34PLN
Others: 140,38PLN

Please bear in mind that the pensions received from the common budget by farmers are comparable to those received by "the others".

As for hard work. Come on, I know the country life. Right now country folks in Poland enjoy a 4-months holiday (because the fields soon will be frozen) while factory workers are working, taking overtimes and paying taxes and social contribution (6 times more than the farmers).
And I am talking about real farmers. Because there are a lot of people who are farmers only on paper. For instance - majority of the taxi drivers in my home town are "legally farmers". They don't pay income taxes as well.

Polish farmer is the last free Men of Europe!

They are outside of taxation system, they don't care about social security. And no political party would dare to touch them because they are a huge part of the population. And they have got a right to vote.

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Oct 19, 10, 22:52 #20

pgtx:

how old the heck do you think i am? lol

- dont care

pgtx:

armers suffer? and what about people who has to triple pay for what he sells...

- This is not the farmers fault the good you eat goes through about another 5 different " middleman organizations " didnt you know this basic knowledge ..

pgtx:

like what? an iceberg melting? floods happen, had happened, and always will...

- believe you me i could talk about this for ages , just to sum it up - climate change is far much worse now than as it was , they effect animals breeding , milk produce, crops .. maybe this is why you will be paying 10 time more in the future!!!

pgtx:

oh please!!!! farmers party a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

- Having a party is far different than going 7 hrs away to the sea side with your family ..... our family are farmers they rode 5 hrs to the wedding then the boys could only stay 4 hrs there because they had to milk the cows at 4 am in the morning so please go read some more books and get sum brains.... cheers

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Oct 19, 10, 22:55 #21
away guy: if they are dairy farmers they can never go together as a family on a holiday Bull, they just ask another member of the family to look after farm, or the farmer from the next farm. Simple.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Oct 19, 10, 22:55 #22
enkidu: Polish farmer is the last free Men of Europe! They are outside of taxation system, they don't care about social security. And no political party would dare to touch them because they are a huge part of the population. And they have got a right to vote. And 50% of the EU's budget.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,395 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Oct 19, 10, 23:08 #23
enkidu: First: As a Polish farmer you are not expected to pay any income tax! As a Polish farmer, you are expected to ride this:

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Edited by: pgtx Oct 19, 10, 23:08 #24

away guy:

This is not the farmers fault the good you eat goes through about another 5 different " middleman organizations " didnt you know this basic knowledge ..

i'm talking about buying straight from them... they come to the city and want at least double prices for their products... pff...

away guy:

Having a party is far different than going 7 hrs away to the sea side with your family ...

family lives sometimes far apart... it's not a farmers-only thing....

away guy:

believe you me i could talk about this for ages , just to sum it up - climate change is far much worse now than as it was , they effect animals breeding , milk produce, crops ..

that's a job... we all do some work... up or down the hill included...

away guy:

boys could only stay 4 hrs

well, village weddings lasted 2, 3 days in the past.... some still do... it's just about getting used to the inconvinience...

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Oct 19, 10, 23:13 #25

There is two types of farmer in Poland, " the educated " and " the dunce ".

Educated, is someone who afforded to acquire vast amounts of land, employs others to do the donkey work and creams all he can from EU handouts.

Dunce farmer, is a badly educated bumpkin, who was left with a small-holding from commie days, works all the hours god sends, hasn,t a clue how to apply for any grants and sells his produce for a pittance because he hasn,t got any business acumen.

enkiduThreads: 18 Posts: 983 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Oct 19, 10, 23:15 #26
pawian: enkidu: First: As a Polish farmer you are not expected to pay any income tax! As a Polish farmer, you are expected to ride this: g And to live in the residence in the background (and own it of course) . lol

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Oct 19, 10, 23:16 #27
pgtx: they come to the city and want at least double prices for their products In my opinion so they should, that's what the actual product is worth under the right circumstances.

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Oct 19, 10, 23:17 #28
dtaylor5632: In my opinion so they should twice then a store? where is the competition?

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Oct 19, 10, 23:25 #29

pgtx:

twice then a store? where is the competition?

If the product is good enough, then I want to give my hard earned cash straight to the person who supplies it, not to a shop that demands the prices should be at the lowest so that the farmer must give a poorer end product.

For example do I wanna pay £2 for a chicken that has been reared intensively or am I willing to pay £6 for a free ranged chicken???

intensively reared chicken farming

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Oct 19, 10, 23:28 #30
dtaylor5632: not to a shop that demands the prices should be at the lowest so that the farmer must give a poorer end product. it still should be cheaper... in today's economy, people go where it's cheaper... it doesn't help the farmers, does it...?

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