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college87pl

Mar 27, 09, 01:22 #1

I am doing research on RIM devices and its services in Poland. I visited websites of three major polish cellular providers (ERA, PLUS, ORANGE). I saw Blackberry phones only on ERA websites and they were very expensive especially for individuals. I assume therefore are not, but perhaps many people order blackberry phones cheaper through Ebay which full price for new of those without contract are very likely still cheaper than they would otherwise order through their carriers.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Mar 27, 09, 03:22 #2
BlackBerry has one major issue - all communication goes through Waterloo, Ontario. This means that there is a single point of failure.

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Mar 27, 09, 11:32 #3

Blackberries are the number one business phone for business people in warsaw for sure. The Iphone is a gadget which doesn't provide the same services as a blackberry. Most people here have phones which are given to them by the corporation they work for during their service at the company. The cellular providers often give the phones for free or have a rent to own feature while subsidizing the cost of the phones through the revenue generated by the service contract. When the zl was stronger many people were buying the blackberries from the states. As well the Iphone has many dead zones in the city.

cjjc1	Mar 27, 09, 11:46 #4
The iPhone does provide push corperate email from exchange servers. To use a blackberry you need a special blackberry sim card so you cannot just buy one from eBay. This is because of the way that RIM devices handle data and therfore you cannot just drop a data enabled sim card into a blackberry handset. Believe me I know this for sure.

dcchrisThreads: 11 Posts: 687 Joined: Oct 29, 07 ♂	Mar 27, 09, 12:02 #5
cjjc1: Believe me I know this for sure. ok but how does that answer the op's question?

cjjcThreads: 37 Posts: 463 Joined: Jul 26, 08 ♂	Mar 27, 09, 12:20 #6
dcchris: ok but how does that answer the op's question? It does not however from what I can make out (it's not exactly clear) he is thinking you can buy one from eBay but you won't have the sim (ERA won't sell you a sim without a handset) so the blackberry will be useless because it won't be able to pick up any data.

dcchrisThreads: 11 Posts: 687 Joined: Oct 29, 07 ♂	Mar 27, 09, 12:23 #7
ah right. sorry I thought he/she was doing some sort of study for school or something. Yes its not cheap to use a blackberry in warsaw unless your company is paying for it and it may not work if you bring one from abroad.

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Mar 27, 09, 12:26 #8

dcchris:

ah right. sorry I thought he/she was doing some sort of study for school or something. Yes its not cheap to use a blackberry in warsaw unless your company is paying for it and it may not work if you bring one from abroad.

No problem I just don't want the poor guy to pick up a blackberry and be disappointed!

I don't think most people should have a blackberry, believe me once you have one you will wish you did not have!

dcchrisThreads: 11 Posts: 687 Joined: Oct 29, 07 ♂	Mar 27, 09, 12:28 #9
yep they are surely overrated unless you are a top business person who needs to see their emails asap.

college87pl

Mar 27, 09, 19:42 #10

Alright, from responses it seems to me that people know very little about blackberry. One person even things they are overrated and another is concerned about all major communications going through a single data center in Waterloo. I believe RIM has a separate data center for Europe. The reason why data communications in North America go through a single server is for security. I am the owner of Blackberry in the US with ATT Wireless. There were some Blackberry failures, but they rarely happened and when they happened it was during either holiday or weekend. I have owned it for one year and these failures happened only twice so far.
Whether Blackberry is overrated or not, this is not an objective but a subjective opinion. It's like someone said Starbucks is overrated and expensive, but a lot of people still go there and order lattes because they are willing to pay more for quality (and addicting caffeine).Another person would say that Nok&ia is overrated, or Apple's iPhone, etc. Someone who owned Palm may have a difficult time switching to Blackberry. Phone's preferences are subject to a personal taste. For sure, In my view they are mores secure and reliable than Windows Mobile or iPhone devices. They are very fast and unlike iPhone you can copy and paste and run application in background. However, Apple will release new OS software in summer for iPhone that will expand to these features. A lot of people in the US own Blackberry.

"I don't think most people should have a blackberry, believe me once you have one you will wish you did not have!"

Because they are addictive and thats why people call them crackberries! :)

"To use a blackberry you need a special blackberry sim card so you cannot just buy one from eBay."

Wrong, any sim card will work as long as blackberry is unlocked. I could use my sim card from my blackberry in another non-blackberry phone. But of course, you cannot buy it on ebay or without a phone. And you cannot buy prepaid, because you need either BIS (personal use) or BES (corporate) for data service. You might still browse web, but not have push email and data.

Anyway guys, thank you for support. I did research on blackberry enterprise solution architecture and made a technology report for it. Comparing to BIS, BES offers more, but most people, especially personal users, need only to access BIS and any program they can buy or download for free from software vendors.
I also needed to know how is the situation with Blackberry in Poland. Thanks

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Mar 27, 09, 19:49 #11

college87pl:

Wrong, any sim card will work as long as blackberry is unlocked. I could use my sim card from my blackberry in another non-blackberry phone. But of course, you cannot buy it on ebay or without a phone. And you cannot buy prepaid, because you need either BIS (personal use) or BES (corporate) for data service. You might still browse web, but not have push email and data.

Ok but you are being stupid because what is the point of a blackberry with out push email?

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Mar 27, 09, 20:01 #12

college87pl:

One person even things they are overrated

They are hugely over-rated.

college87pl:

I am the owner of Blackberry in the US with ATT Wireless.

Well done you. I bet the world would stop turning if you couldn't read your email every ten minutes.

college87pl:

"I don't think most people should have a blackberry, believe me once you have one you will wish you did not have!"

Because they are addictive and thats why people call them crackberries! :)

No, just because they turn their owners into twats.

college87pl:

I also needed to know how is the situation with Blackberry in Poland. Thanks

Blackberries in Poland are mainly used by twats who are not important. Anybody who is important has people to read their email and call them if there is something important.

college87pl

Mar 27, 09, 20:02 #13

There are many useful applications, such as google maps. With new Blackberry devices you can do almost as much as you would with iPhone because they support multimedia.

Btw, iPhone doesn't support push for a personal email, only corporate. Even the new version iPhone 3G does not support MMS in North America, but they are popular. And with the new OS release it will support MMS too. It has built-in MMS, but it is disabled when locked with ATT on contract for some reason.

college87pl	Mar 27, 09, 20:04 #14
it was my reply cjjc

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Mar 27, 09, 20:09 #15
college87pl: With new Blackberry devices you can do almost as much as you would with iPhone because they support multimedia. Which is why we use Nokia, among others, in this house.

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Mar 27, 09, 20:09 #16

college87pl:

There are many useful applications, such as google maps. With new Blackberry devices you can do almost as much as you would with iPhone because they support multimedia.

Ok I will not get into a slanging match about how much better an iPhone is than a Blackberry.

Suffice to say there are thousand more apps for iPhone than Blackberry and the 80% of them which are useful out number the hundreds of useful ones on Blackberry 100/1.

college87pl:

Btw, iPhone doesn't support push for a personal email, only corporate. Even the new version iPhone 3G does not support MMS in North America, but they are popular. And with the new OS release it will support MMS too. It has built-in MMS, but it is disabled when locked with ATT on contract for some reason.

I think you need to check your sources there. I have a .me account and I get push email, calender and contacts. Lack of mms is fine to me because I have email on the phone and if you do not then you won't be getting pictures from me.

college87pl

Mar 27, 09, 20:16 #17

Harry:

They are hugely over-rated.

Eh, you're jealous!

Harry:

Well done you. I bet the world would stop turning if you couldn't read your email every ten minutes.

No, but it is still useful when I don't have access to PC. Sometimes professors in my college sent emails when they cancel class and it saves me time on taking trip to school.

No comment on the rest of your post where you use an offensive term. If you still do that you will be ignored and in extreme case suspended by administrator.

college87pl	Mar 27, 09, 20:18 #18
cjjc: Which is why we use Nok*ia, among others, in this house. I have expected that this brand is more popular in Europe.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Mar 27, 09, 20:21 #19
college87pl: cjjc: Which is why we use Nok*ia, among others, in this house. I have expected that this brand is more popular in Europe. misquote. and you have altered it.

college87pl

Mar 27, 09, 20:25 #20

cjjc:

Suffice to say there are thousand more apps for iPhone than Blackberry and the 80% of them which are useful out number the hundreds of useful ones on Blackberry 100/1.

I agree, but Blackberry devices are designed more for stability, security and reliability rather than for usability. Among of avaialbility of 3rd party applications, I would choose iPhone because of browser Safari and iTunes.

Soon Blackberry will release its own version similar to Apple's Store, called Blackberry App World.

cjjc:

Does push technology work only with Apple's email account or just any email from major email providers (Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo)?

college87pl	Mar 27, 09, 20:27 #21
Wroclaw: misquote. and you have altered it. Sorry. May I know why I get warning about use of this brand when I attempt to post? Why it is treated as a spam?

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 27, 09, 20:34 #22
college87pl: Eh, you're jealous! Work tried to give me a Blackberry (everybody else has one). I told them where to stick it. college87pl: No, but it is still useful when I don't have access to PC. Sometimes professors in my college sent emails when they cancel class and it saves me time on taking trip to school. Yes, because you can't use an iphone to read email....

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Mar 27, 09, 20:38 #23

college87pl:

Soon Blackberry will release its own version similar to Apple's Store, called Blackberry App World.

I doubt it will match up to the App Store. Too much ground have been covered in terms of innovation for developers.

college87pl:

Does push technology work only with Apple's email account or just any email from major email providers (Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo)?

Exchange(obv), Gmail, AOL, .Me and Yahoo.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Mar 27, 09, 20:43 #24
It seems to me that Blackberry has a certain degree of security and nothing else. Harry: Yes, because you can't use an iphone to read email.... I didn't know this. It seems that my daughter's (now outdated) N95 is better.

college87pl	Mar 27, 09, 20:46 #25
Harry: Yes, because you can't use an iphone to read email.... I don't have iphone because I only use one phone and I prefer a physical keyboard to virtual when it comes to a lot of texting and emailing.

college87pl	Mar 27, 09, 20:51 #26
college87pl: I didn't know this. You can read emails from from iPhone. And it seems from cjjc last response that iphone support push technology with Gmail, AOL and Yahoo. If he gets email withing a minute on his device when an email arrives to his inbox then he is correct. Otherwise it is polling technology.

college87pl	Mar 27, 09, 20:53 #27
it was my reply to Wroclaw. I am not sure how I got quoted myself.

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Mar 27, 09, 20:55 #28

Wroclaw:

I didn't know this.

He was being ironic Wrocław. iPhone is the most advanced mobile device available.

college87pl:

I don't have iphone because I only use one phone and I prefer a physical keyboard to virtual when it comes to a lot of texting and emailing.

Many people do. It is a thing that I personally do not like also but I have become used to it and I find I can type much faster than I could on my 8300.

I also have the benefit of switching to a Polish keyboard at any moment.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Mar 27, 09, 20:59 #29
cjjc: He was being ironic Wrocław. Oh! OK. I'm just listening in and trying to learn.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Mar 27, 09, 21:03 #30
Are Blackberry devices popular in Poland among business and individuals? Yes, Jams, cakes, flavoured drinks, blackberries are very popular :)

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