Bringing dollars to Poland, what interest rates can I negotiate?

IHeartPL

Sep 18, 11, 22:11 #1

Although, the PLN is falling, and may continue to do so, I will be transferring a sizable dollar amount and may hold the dollars there till I feel the time is appropriate to exchange for the PLN. Taking out the argument of political risk or even exchange rate risk, what is a good interest rate (max) if applicable, that I'll be able to negotiate at a bank to get the biggest bang for my buck so to say. What banks may be the best to do business with? What kind of terms are best and any counterproductive regulations?

TL;DR What is the best rate I can possibly negotiate at a bank? Best terms to do so with and counterproductive regulations or Tax codes I should be aware of?

Appreciate the help, Thank you.

bullfrogThreads: 4 Posts: 390 Joined: Apr 23, 09 ♂	Sep 18, 11, 22:18 #2
depends whether you hold the deposit or for a given maturity ..in any case, you'd be lucky to get more than 1 pc for one year term

Wedle	Sep 18, 11, 23:35 #3
depends whether you hold the deposit or for a given maturity ..in any case, you'd be lucky to get more than 1 pc for one year term You could get 3-4% in the EE region for your USD if the amount is over a 1/4.

Moose Limb

Sep 19, 11, 00:47 #4

I will be transferring a sizable dollar amount and may hold the dollars there till I feel the time is appropriate to exchange for the PLN

First if you are bringing over 10k and from states,make sure you declare at customs or they now have sniff dogs and if you are caught consider the money going to us govt.Secoundly if you plan to put it in Polish banks the interest you make and the account has to be declared in states if you are a usa citizen and then if you ever want to take the money back you will need polish govt permission,lots of paperwork and proofs they seek.Ofcourse there are other ways but I will not recommend them as thay are illegal with direinternational money laundering charges,esp in States.

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Edited by: IHeartPL Sep 19, 11, 01:37 #5

I should have been more clear, It's going to be a bank to bank transfer, I will not be stashing the cash in my underwear as it is way more than 10k. Now, 1 percent for USD sounds about right, as far as PLN goes, it seems a 1 month will yield about 3%. However, I'm confused about the way its calculated a bit, the money could sit there for 10 years for all I care so the term isn't an issue. So, when I finally convert to PLN is it better to go with a 3% 1 month, over a long term period OR lets say 6 months at 6%. It seems to my that over a longer term period for lets say 2 years + the shorter the term the bigger the pay off? Am I looking at this right? or a 6% every 6 months for a longer term period has a bigger pay off?

When you say 1/4, are you talking about 100, 1M?

Moose Limb	Sep 19, 11, 02:20 #6
there for 10 years for all I care Dude then why not buy a property that yields still an average over 8% a year,ofcourse you will have to wait 10 years?And the property taxes are way affordable then in states:)

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Sep 19, 11, 02:37 #7

I own properties and will add 1 more soon, I'm looking for something more liquid at this point and Poland has comparatively healthy economy and Debt/GDP ratio. Although, not sure if the Euro will collapse at this point and may not be known for some time, I would love to earn some Lomza beer money. Just trying to figure out, what has a better pay off, Finance was my major in college but i have been out of school for some time and I worked directly in Brokerage and not Banking so I forgot the whole compounding concept. (Ashamed) Thanks for taking your time to respond if everyone is as nice as you guys, I may just have to stay in Warsaw and start looking for work haha.

Moose Limb

Sep 19, 11, 02:49 #8

[quote=IHeartPL] Poland has comparatively healthy economy and Debt/GDP ratio. Al[/quote
Dont be so sure as I have been living on and off in Poland for last 12 years and suddenly worse then states the credit was given.At one point I was offerd to take 150% of the value of the property that too in swiss money which had less interest rate...and now those people are paying 20 to 25% more...so lets keep our fingure crossed and wait and see. NOBLE bank did give me the credit line against those properties but this year using the fine print they cut it to 50%.So be carefull and dont count much on Polands economy:D

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Sep 19, 11, 03:03 #9

You're knowledgeable, I hope everything works out for you, in my case I'm betting that a systemic bank failure doesn't happen as it has in other countries not now or hopefully ever. Countries who haven't went through that already (Poland), hopefully will learn off of the mistakes of others (Ireland) and even the US. Nip the problem in the butt and prevent what overspending eventually does to an economy. By the way, looking at the credit % offered in Poland is a complete and disgusting rip off or maybe a common practice in European countries and i'm just not used to such high % credit but people shouldn't allow it, although I'm not sure how hard or easy it is to get credit. Easy = failure at those rates, tougher standards for giving out credit will perpetuate a healthier economy and keep the private debt low.

Moose Limb

Sep 19, 11, 03:22 #10

I'm not sure how hard or easy it is to get credit. Easy = failure at those rates, tougher standards for giving

HA!HA!HA! very easy if you have contacts:) and or none if you dont ...usually there are still agents who would NOW get it for you for a fee but since they the bank are a lot tighter now I heard was with 20% down on residential and 30% on commercial then again if they have started to have data base for credit scores now....Best is they will also consider your US income while giving you loan...but how they confirm that US tax forms are not a fake I wouldnt know:)

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Sep 19, 11, 03:33 #11

That scares me a bit. Cutting off these practices is easier said than done, since they're making more money than ever giving out loans. Would you know, where I could get information on the health status of Polish banks? Balance sheets?

Here's an interesting article about a leaked report from Goldman Sachs, good read.

http://www.businessinsider.com/goldman-the-worlds-going-to-hell-heres- how-to-cash-in-2011-8?utm_source=Triggermail&utm_medium=email&utm_term =Money%20Game%20Select&utm_campaign=MoneyGame_Select_090111

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Sep 19, 11, 04:00 #12

That scares me a bit. Cutting off these practices is easier said than done, since they're making more money than ever giving out loans. Would you know, where I could get information on the health status of Polish banks? Balance sheets?

Till you know what you want stay put...best leave money is US banks and use your credit card to obtain cash...I don't think Poland is for you, plenty of good US beers.

IHeartPLThreads: - Posts: 9 Joined: Sep 18, 11 ♂	Edited by: IHeartPL Sep 19, 11, 04:08 #13
I initially wanted to find out about what advantage / disadvantage lets say a 1 month lokata at 3% have over one that is 6 months at 6% and if I hold it for lets say a 3 year term but got off track. I'm having problems calculating this thing for some reason and the way its divided is over a 365 day term? and if you could help me out I'd appreciate it.

wielki panThreads: 3 Posts: 278 Joined: Jan 7, 11 ♂	Sep 19, 11, 04:23 #14
I initially wanted to find out about what advantage / disadvantage lets say a 1 month lokata at 3% How much money are we talking about? Also Polish tax laws re bank interest, transferring funds.

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Sep 19, 11, 04:26 #15

Although, the PLN is falling, and may continue to do so, I will be transferring a sizable dollar amount and may hold the dollars there till I feel the time is appropriate to exchange for the PLN. Taking out the argument of political risk or even exchange rate risk, what is a good interest rate (max) if applicable, that I'll be able to negotiate at a bank to get the biggest bang for my buck so to say. What banks may be the best to do business with? What kind of terms are best and any counterproductive regulations?

TL;DR What is the best rate I can possibly negotiate at a bank? Best terms to do so with and counterproductive regulations or Tax codes I should be aware of?

Appreciate the help, Thank you.

For what you want to do, this is where you want to be:http://www.forex.com/

IHeartPLThreads: - Posts: 9 Joined: Sep 18, 11 ♂	Sep 19, 11, 04:31 #16
Lets say 100k and I convert to PLN right now at exactly 3/1 taking out any fees I end up with 300k. I know that if its a savings account, compounded daily they don't take out the "Belki Tax". But for this I want to look at the "lokaty" and the options are 1-14 days at 2.35%, 1 month at 3% and 6 months at 6% and I keep it there for 3 years.

wielki panThreads: 3 Posts: 278 Joined: Jan 7, 11 ♂	Sep 19, 11, 04:52 #17
Lets say 100k I thought it was much, much higher, 100k is only peanuts, your are a small player, take away tax, fees and the uncertain zlote forget it.

IHeartPLThreads: - Posts: 9 Joined: Sep 18, 11 ♂	Sep 19, 11, 04:57 #18
Haha I wanted to make it simple, its 750k. So can we continue?

wielki panThreads: 3 Posts: 278 Joined: Jan 7, 11 ♂	Sep 19, 11, 05:14 #19
Haha I wanted to make it simple, its 750k. So can we continue? I think you are trolling, a person with this sort of money would be getting professional advice and doing his own research.

beckskiThreads: 19 Posts: 2,148 Joined: May 15, 07 MEMBER ♀	Edited by: beckski Sep 19, 11, 05:24 #20
make sure you declare at customs or they now have sniff dogs I thought canines were primarily used to detect illegal drugs? A sincere thanks PF, for putting up with me FIVE terrific years, muah!

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Edited by: IHeartPL Sep 19, 11, 05:42 #21

Tom morning when I wake up, I will open up my account and trade a doodey load of money off my couch that you've never even seen by googling it while sitting on gotomeetings talking to my employees (It's supposed to be in the 50's tomorrow, I don't much like the cold and won't travel to my office if I don't have to). 11 if i'm satisfied with how much I made, I take off and take a nap. I'll wake up around 3 and watch the market close or maybe not depends if I feel like it. Than, I will think about my month long trip to eastern and europe and how I'll enjoy it. I know hedge fund managers, FA's, stock brokers and even at one point worked for a Forex company (didn't like it) bottom line they don't think about this and don't do it (I enjoy traveling). I figured i'll try thinking outside of the box, while reading the charts I thought not only can I capitalize on the interest rate I will also convert at a time when I think the PLN has peaked and that's at about 1.25 EUR/USD. Than, let it ride for as long as possible before they either grow some balls (Germany) and others or dismantle the euro and I will buy back the dollars right before that happens. So, I'm too excited to sleep, figured i'd come on here pick some brains while watching Netflix. I'm liquid, liquiiieeed :) . Please, if you don't add to the discussion and just look to pry out personal information and than match a name for different amounts of money. Consider moving on. Thank you.

moose limb

Sep 19, 11, 05:50 #22

Haha I wanted to make it simple, its 750k. So can we continue

not much in poland dude at this age and stage! you cant buy a ****** motel here for that forget bank interest!

I think you are trolling, a person with this sort of money would be getting professional advice and doing his own research.

again man this money in small business is sheeet*!

I thought canines were primarily used to detect illegal drugs?

happened with me I had 9900$ and 1500 pln and 500 euro,they let me pass but after filling out declaration forms and the canines were right at the door of the plane where the newspapers were stacked with the handler

moose limb	Sep 19, 11, 05:52 #23
will buy back the dollars right before that happens looks smart,and i will follow u:)cuz I aint that greedy:D

IHeartPLThreads: - Posts: 9 Joined: Sep 18, 11 ♂	Sep 19, 11, 05:54 #24
Thanks Moose :)

bullfrogThreads: 4 Posts: 390 Joined: Apr 23, 09 ♂	Sep 19, 11, 08:00 #25
You could get 3-4% in the EE region for your USD if the amount is over a 1/4. Ah, ha when 3M LIBOR USD is 0,35% and 10 yrs swap rate at 2,24%?? Which bank is offering this? Bernie (Madoff) bank??

Wedle	Sep 19, 11, 08:21 #26
Ah, ha when 3M LIBOR USD is 0,35% and 10 yrs swap rate at 2,24%?? Which bank is offering this? Bernie (Madoff) bank?? Read what I wrote smart ass - EE region, it is also a very well known Italian Bank.

bullfrogThreads: 4 Posts: 390 Joined: Apr 23, 09 ♂	Sep 19, 11, 10:52 #27
A little touchy on the subject, are we?? Not surprising, what would you think of someone who is buying a car for $20,000 and proposing to sell it to you for $15,000?

Wedle

Sep 19, 11, 11:36 #28

A little touchy on the subject, are we?? Not surprising, what would you think of someone who is buying a car for $20,000 and proposing to sell it to you for $15,000?

The scenario you propose, is exactly what happens in Germany, workers of Mercedes and BMW are allowed to buy new cars with a 30% discount, if you enter into an agreement to buy a new car every 6-12 months in germany, you can avail of the same discounts. Just go to one of the German websites like Mobile.de and you will find a large number of cars for sale at 6-12 months old directly from these buyers.. Furthermore if you question what I have previously stated, pick up the phone and contact the bank in EE ( with the main Italian shareholder) not Pekao S.A, but a sister company, they will quote you 3-4% on USD for 1/4 + on term deposits of 6,9,12 months.

Now you are informed.

LwowskaKrakowThreads: 49 Posts: 504 Joined: Mar 9, 07 MEMBER ♀	Sep 19, 11, 16:09 #29
Furthermore if you question what I have previously stated, pick up the phone and contact the bank in EE ( with the main Italian shareholder) not Pekao S.A, but a sister company, they will quote you 3-4% on USD for 1/4 + on term deposits of 6,9,12 months. What bank is that ? That rate of 3% to 4% is extremely generous. Are you sure the bank you contacted is not going bust? Lol

Wedle	Sep 19, 11, 17:04 #30
What bank is that ? That rate of 3% to 4% is extremely generous. Are you sure the bank you contacted is not going bust? Lol It is obvious from your comments, you know zero about banking, better crawl back in your dark hole and wait for the rain to come.

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