CHINESE TO BUILD POLISH ROADS....

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 56 Posts: 5,264 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Sep 27, 09, 11:19 #31
sledz: Why cant the Polish build thier own roads? Because theyve been doing it for 100's of years and still havent learned the proper methods.

Lir

Sep 27, 09, 11:35 #32

It says here

"Pawel Bednorz, representing the Chinese investors, said
Chinese firms were able to build roads in Poland fast and
using less public funding."

http://www.tokio.polemb.net/files/Gospodarka/Biuletyn%20ekonomiczny/20 08/2008.12.04_Economic%20Bulletin%2049.pdf

And I saw that

"German construction firm Bilfinger Berger set to take over Polish road builder WPRD"
Warsaw. May 28. INTERFAX-EUROPE - German construction group Bilfinger Berger, via its Polish civil engineering subsidiary Hydrobudowa-6, is set to purchase in excess of 90% of Polish road builder Warszawskie Przedsiebiorstwo Robot Drogowych S.A. (WPRD), Bilfinger Berger announced in a recent statement.

"The acquisition will strengthen Bilfinger Bergen's position in view of a massive increase in transportation infrastructure investment following Poland's recent accession to the European Union," the German group stated. Bilfinger Berger is working to widen its operations .."

Admittedly that was in 2004 but makes you think <j/k>

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-117343509.html

Let's hope Poland doesn't come to regret their decision as it may end up a costly process if the new roads end up needing much remedial work in the future or if it doesn't get completed ?

See here........

"Fiji road builders to complete road contract abandoned by Chinese contractor"

http://www.rnzi.com/pages/news.php?op=read&id=25322

sledz:

Why cant the Polish build thier own roads?

Yes. Why can't they ?

Bet loads of new Chinese restaurants open up in Poland anyways and maybe that's what they are really up too <grin>

:)

BabinichThreads: 1 Posts: 1,049 Joined: May 26, 08 ♂	Edited by: Babinich Sep 27, 09, 11:47 #33
Bratwurst Boy: Chinese are famous for cheap work, not durable or correct work... Yeah; right again... Let's see: blast furnaces for steel, pumps for irrigation, plowed seeding (agriculture), paper & the Great Wall of China.

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Sep 27, 09, 12:43 #34

mocpc:

Do you think that the only one for the poor quality should be blamed is the Chinese?
why Chinese produce poor quality products?
are we willing to produce them?
to a large extent, the importers in your country ask for them,though they do not say like that
good quality is needed, low price is needed

I agree completly....the reason the Chinese produce these goods that are , lets say ,, less than perfect...is because people , such as Polish people want to buy them...I myself would prefer to pay a little more for something that will last a little longer...

Last week i bought some sandwich boxes to put my food in for work....i used them three times before they fell to pieces...so...i went looking for my old sandwhich box , made in the UK....its five years old , but still in good condition....Can you guess where the ones that fell to bits after two weeks were made....?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 27, 09, 15:51 #35
As long as they don't build the accompanying roadsigns, all will be well ;) ;) The Poles will drive into the nearest bush when they see those signs.

Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 57 Posts: 2,316 Joined: Sep 7, 08 ♂	Sep 27, 09, 16:15 #36
build Build BUILD B U I L D!!!

OsiedleRuda	Sep 27, 09, 16:17 #37
Lodz_The_Boat: build Build BUILD B U I L D!!! and western European taxpayers will... pay Pay PAY P A Y!!!

Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 57 Posts: 2,316 Joined: Sep 7, 08 ♂	Sep 27, 09, 16:19 #38
OsiedleRuda: pay Pay PAY P A Y!!! ha Ha HA H A!!!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 27, 09, 16:21 #39
I wonder if they have the 1 man working, 5 men standing but all getting 2000PLN idea, LOL Prolly not, they haven't been fully introduced to vodka.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 56 Posts: 5,264 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Sep 27, 09, 16:21 #40
Most of the presents ive been given that are bought in Poland are crap, plastic spoons which if you leave in a soup make it taste like plastic, crockery sets that chip after a few washes the list goes on and on. What they need here is a national standards agency. As for the Chinese building roads they cant be any worse than the current, can they?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 27, 09, 16:23 #41
Good point! They recently redid a road connecting Gliwice to Zabrze and you still descend into potholes. I bet they flipped a coin with the condition, 'tails I don't fill it and heads you don't fill it'. Bloody jackas*es!

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 56 Posts: 5,264 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Sep 27, 09, 16:26 #42
Seanus: They recently redid a road connecting Gliwice to Zabrze and you still descend into potholes. Wait for a prolonged freeze, the older roads which they patch up year after year got shite after a freeze. Its rediculous.

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Edited by: Seanus Sep 27, 09, 16:31 #43

By that time, they are all well into their vodka and warming foods, chatting about how good a job they did on the roads while the poor sods are playing dodge the pothole. It was a pothole here that almost killed me on my bike. A bystander said I was lucky to be alive. I didn't have my helmet and my last recollection was thinking 'oh sh*t, I've had it, I'm a gonner'. I remember looking at my bike in disbelief when I got out of hospital. Mangled was an understatement. Still, it was repairable.

I have NO recollection of being put in an ambulance. Rumour had it that I was straight out. Thankfully, nobody stole my wallet, LOL. I apparently asked my then girlfriend about 50 times if I still had my keys and wallet. Explains my current brain damage, LOL (or Scottishness)

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Sep 27, 09, 17:00 #44

mocpc:

PennBoy
you are peeking a leopard through a hole
so what you can see is just a fleck

the only good side to them is they're alot cheaper than Polish workers, they're not known for quality work, just like Mexicans, do it fast and not persise. road building has been taking so long in Poland because of all the bureaucracy and also corruption politicians are trying to get some of the money, plus EU is partially financing this and they wanna know exactly where every euro is going. Poland should just give the money and let some European company do this with Polish workers, there's plenty of people that need employment, like the National Stadium in Warsaw which is being built by a German company Alpine Bau Deutschland AG.

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Sep 27, 09, 17:05 #45

Good point, PennBoy. This is the way the world is going, what Thatcher would have wanted. Compulsory competitive tendering was actually introduced to the NHS and it has spread its wings well beyond that. I'm happy when sb calls for a national body to do it but foreign companies with better profiles/credentials pop up and are in such a position that they can engage in price wars. The top dogs can introduce all kinds of pricing strategies to win. It's not such a bad thing in this specific case as Poles have been calling for improvements in road standards for a long time and progress has been really slow.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Sep 27, 09, 19:17 #46
sledz: Im sure they are harder working than Poles are..lol We can send you some Mexicans over, they work cheap:) And the never ending circle of mass immigration and job displacement continues. It is what the EUnuchs and capitalist scum want. No nations, just a nomadic working population.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 27, 09, 19:23 #47
RN is right here. They need to legitimise the need for intervention over a situation which is spiralling out of control. So many different natives in so many different countries is what they are striving towards. They open up avenues in different ways, largely through legal apparatus.

sadieannThreads: 4 Posts: 320 Joined: Apr 28, 09 ♀	Sep 27, 09, 19:29 #48
Poland should be building the roads. A Country will only be strong by building itself. Mass destruction of the Financial infrastructure. Shocked that Poland would unify with China? Poland should analyze the consequences of relying on another Country. It's a spiraling effect; Poles will be displaced jobs for cheaper labor.

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Sep 27, 09, 19:41 #49

Still, Poles (and others here) pay taxes to ensure that public services are carried out. It isn't specified who performs those services. Also, Poles will have to accept the cheaper labour idea when it finally comes round. They have accepted jobs under the minimum wage in the UK and have indirectly tampered with the system in so doing (though not entirely their fault of course). It's hardly unifying, it's more an extension of Thatcher's compulsory competitive tendering notion. It's business! Reliance need not be the norm if you have a plan B.

sadieannThreads: 4 Posts: 320 Joined: Apr 28, 09 ♀	Sep 27, 09, 19:52 #50
Seanus: accepted jobs under the minimum wage Seanus: It's business! Reliance need not be the norm if you have a plan B. With consequences. U.S. perfect example of the effects of outsourcing labor. Rely on plan first, never on B. If Poles are willing to work for less wages than there is a job pool and a need for work. Typically, other laborers are used when no one else is willing to do the work.

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Sep 27, 09, 19:59 #51

We have to accept that a worker is often just a means to an end. Japan has maintained its concept as a worker being a huge and honoured asset to a company but this concept has dwindled elsewhere.

Also, the decision may not have been made out of cost concerns (though it probably was). Poland has been forging different ties with China for quite some time, there are threads about it elsewhere on this site. That's no bad thing!

sadieannThreads: 4 Posts: 320 Joined: Apr 28, 09 ♀	Sep 27, 09, 20:04 #52
Seanus: Japan has maintained its concept as a worker being a huge and honoured asset Excellent point. As a result, Japan is strong. 'Keep it in the Family.'

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 27, 09, 20:09 #53
It's sth of a miracle when a small country with 125,000,000 people can create so many jobs and not rely on outsourcing or can fully implement JIT/kanban technology on their own. It did strike me as surprising that the job of road building was given to the Chinese. Maybe it was just the idea that anybody would be better than the locals who have been stalling and stuffing up for years.

sadieannThreads: 4 Posts: 320 Joined: Apr 28, 09 ♀	Sep 27, 09, 20:14 #54
Seanus: locals who have been stalling and stuffing up for years. Perhaps, losing jobs and the lack of work will be a motivation.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 27, 09, 20:16 #55
Well, that's hit or miss. Theoretically, the need to ply your trade so you can keep putting food on the table should be reason enough in itself. However, if you know the mentality here, they will likely be cursing the Chinese and refusing to accept that they were in any way part of the decision to look elsewhere.

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Sep 27, 09, 20:25 #56

Seanus:

the mentality here, they will likely be cursing the Chinese and refusing to accept that they were in any way part of the decision to look elsewhere.

I'm not in Poland. I haven't seen that mentality in the U.S. amongst Poles. My Company isn't competing with China for labor. That would throw a twist in business. Labor here is competitive with cheap Mexican labor. The bids are so low it's not worth it to even try to compete. It comes down to quality. One pays for what they get.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 27, 09, 20:28 #57
Well, the US way of doing things has clearly rubbed off on them. I can assure you that it is the prevailing mentality amongst that kind of worker here. I have lived here for just over 5 years. Yeah, invariably that's the case. You just need to use your nose and sniff around :)

sadieannThreads: 4 Posts: 320 Joined: Apr 28, 09 ♀	Sep 27, 09, 20:35 #58
Seanus: Yeah, invariably that's the case. You just need to use your nose and sniff around :) Well said. Survival of the Fittest. U.S. is in dire straights. Comes down to one's desire to pervail in hard times or not.

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Edited by: Seanus Sep 27, 09, 20:43 #59

I just hope that people don't lose their interpersonal skills and lose sight of what it means to work in a team. Yes, times are tough but it's better to come through tough times together. After all, it is the people that do the vast majority of the work and not the government. There was a classic Bushism on this somewhere (on tough times). May national spirit long be with us and none of this divisive nonsense by globalists (in the name of harmony would you believe, pff...). No dispersion!

As for the Chinese, well, they may surprise us by showing some know-how in an area where they aren't renowned for their expertise. We just have to wait and see.

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Sep 27, 09, 20:51 #60

Seanus:

Chinese, well, they may surprise us by showing some know-how in an area where they aren't renowned for their expertise

To be honest, I've never seen one Chinese doing construction in my business. It will be interesting to see the final product and quality.

Seanus:

people that do the vast majority of the work and not the government.

True. The People together as a whole will be the only ones pulling us through this depression..hmm..recession?

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