Germany and Austria to fully open their labor market to Poles in 2011. Economic growth?

rychlikThreads: 51 Posts: 446 Joined: Aug 6, 08 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 07:55 #1
The Germans and Austrians will open their labor market fully to Poles this year. Will this be a hit to Poland's economic growth?

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,470 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Mar 4, 11, 09:19 #2
rychlik: Will this be a hit to Poland's economic growth? No only improve it, there is no where near enough jobs here and what there is usually pay terrible money. I know a few Poles that will be heading west straight away. Hopefully a few hundred thousand will leave the UK for Germany and Austria as well.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,783 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 11:44 #3
Wroclaw Boy: I know a few Poles that will be heading west straight away. Rather south ! Wroclaw Boy: Hopefully a few hundred thousand will leave the UK for Germany and Austria as well. You mean all of them?

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 4, 11, 11:48 #4
rychlik: Will this be a hit to Poland's economic growth? You tell us.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Mar 4, 11, 12:01 #5
Germany is asking in Spain already for skilled workers who speak German, so the Poles will be more than welcome :) The Government tries to avoid the errors it made in the fifties and sixties.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 12:16 #6
Bratwurst Boy: Germany is asking in Spain already for skilled workers who speak German, so the Poles will be more than welcome :) I don't think that much will change. Blue collar workers are already over working under the table. White collar workers don't have a problem getting a work permit. Don't see anything earth shaking happening in May.

rychlikThreads: 51 Posts: 446 Joined: Aug 6, 08 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 19:20 #7
Bratwurst Boy: The Government tries to avoid the errors it made in the fifties and sixties. Is it true Germany has a deal with Pakistan for skilled work? In the IT sector or something. I think I read something about this. Geez... paki's in Germany.

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Mar 4, 11, 19:32 #8

convex:

I don't think that much will change. Blue collar workers are already over working under the table. White collar workers don't have a problem getting a work permit. Don't see anything earth shaking happening in May.

Would agree on that one. Maybe just the proportions blue/white collar will change, but overall rather no.

rychlik:

Is it true Germany has a deal with Pakistan for skilled work? In the IT sector or something. I think I read something about this. Geez... paki's in Germany.

Former SPD chancelor Schröder started the inniciative green cards for IT experts from India etc...yes, this is just the follow up.
Obviously Germany needs quality people more than ever ;)

Bratwurst Boy:

The Government tries to avoid the errors it made in the fifties and sixties.

What mistakes? It was the desperate need of simple work power after WWII. They did not think about any kind of selection then. That was o.k.. West Germany wanted to grow fast and did not have enough man-power because self inflicted losses in WWII.
What was stinky was the immigration policy following that time. No selection whatsoever.
That happens when politics just fish for voters.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 23:07 #9
rychlik: The Germans and Austrians will open their labor market fully to Poles this year. Will this be a hit to Poland's economic growth? Is it just Germany and Austria or all E.U. member states? Where are Poles able to work now without any restrictions? Ireland, Britain...?

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 23:12 #10
SeanBM: Is it just Germany and Austria or all E.U. member states? Where are Poles able to work now without any restrictions? Ireland, Britain...? I think Austria and Germany are the last two countries to open their job market for Polish people - they decided to have the longest bar on Polish workforce and it just expires this May

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 23:15 #11
Thanks for the answer gumishu, I didn't know that.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 4, 11, 23:16 #12
rychlik: Geez... paki's in Germany. Less of the racial slurs, please.

HavokThreads: 14 Posts: 1,508 Joined: Mar 12, 10 MEMBER ♂	Mar 5, 11, 07:23 #13
rychlik: The Germans and Austrians will open their labor market fully to Poles this year. Great, they're short supply of ass-wipers and construction workers... Fucken get a skill and own them. Don't just go there to wipe asses and work on construction sites for minimum wage.

rychlikThreads: 51 Posts: 446 Joined: Aug 6, 08 ♂	Mar 5, 11, 08:19 #14
delphiandomine: Less of the racial slurs, please. Isn't paki short for pakistani? Why do they find this offensive?

emhaThreads: - Posts: 180 Joined: Nov 24, 10 ♂	Edited by: emha Mar 5, 11, 09:48 #15
Havok: Don't just go there to wipe asses and work on construction sites for minimum wage. It's better to work then not to work.

Pinching PeteThreads: 1 Posts: 1,111 Joined: Feb 23, 08 ♂	Mar 5, 11, 10:09 #16
emha: It's better to work then not to work. It's also better to wipe your ass than not.

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Mar 5, 11, 11:01 #17

rychlik:

Will this be a hit to Poland's economic growth?

German as a foreign language has become very popular in PL over the last few years, so I guess people have been getting themselves prepared for the opening up of labor markets in Austria and Germany. From what I read and the people I speak to, Norway and Sweden seem to be the preferred choice these days. On a side note - last week I was in Berlin and returned to PL on thursday by train, out of 4 people in my compartment one had just been to Germany for an interview in, as a specialist scientist in blue ray technologies, she had been offered a position in Frieberg, and was moving her family and dog in May 2011. Her motivation was money and more money for research.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 5, 11, 11:10 #18
rychlik: Isn't paki short for pakistani? Why do they find this offensive? It's a derogatory insult towards them. Same way that Jew is used as an insult towards Jewish people. So again - less of the racial slus, please.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Mar 5, 11, 14:53 #19
delphiandomine: Same way that Jew is used as an insult towards Jewish people. WOT??? How should we call them then?

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Edited by: wildrover Mar 5, 11, 14:57 #20
I really can,t be bothered to get offended if somebody calls me a Brit... I would not call a German a germ tho....

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 5, 11, 14:59 #21
rychlik: Germany and Austria to fully open their labor market to Poles in 2011. Economic growth? what? more Poles to go out of Poland? that EU has really perfect plan. How evil

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Mar 5, 11, 15:13 #22
wildrover: I would not call a German a germ tho.... "Kraut" is okay too :)

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Mar 5, 11, 15:17 #23
Bratwurst Boy: Kraut" is okay too Really...? i would never call a German that , i thought it was offensive... are you saying it isn,t...?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Mar 5, 11, 15:29 #24
wildrover: Really...? i would never call a German that , i thought it was offensive... are you saying it isn,t...? No...it isn't...you can call me that! :)

George8600Threads: 20 Posts: 1,114 Joined: Feb 19, 09 ♂	Edited by: George8600 Mar 5, 11, 15:31 #25
Bratwurst Boy: Germany is asking in Spain already for skilled workers who speak German really? Bratwurst Boy: so the Poles will be more than welcome They haven't always been welcomed, besides what's wrong with the Turks? You guys have millions beyond millions of them. "Multiculturalism has failed...." ~Angela Merkel

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Mar 5, 11, 15:50 #26

George8600:

really?

Really!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-europe-12359897

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Eures' German branch has requested applications from Spanish engineers, medics, teachers and tourism professionals. Other skilled workers, who speak German, can also apply.

George8600:

You guys have millions beyond millions of them.

No hyperbole please!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Germany

As of 2010 there are an estimated 3.5 million people of Turkish origin living in Germany.[2]

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Mar 5, 11, 20:15 #27

warszawski:

German as a foreign language has become very popular in PL over the last few years, so I guess people have been getting themselves prepared for the opening up of labor markets in Austria and Germany. From what I read and the people I speak to, Norway and Sweden seem to be the preferred choice these days. On a side note - last week I was in Berlin and returned to PL on thursday by train, out of 4 people in my compartment one had just been to Germany for an interview in, as a specialist scientist in blue ray technologies, she had been offered a position in Frieberg, and was moving her family and dog in May 2011. Her motivation was money and more money for research.

You know what's funny? I'm in Canada and have read that German immigration to Canada is increasing. Has been increasing in the last ten years or so. Vancouver apparently has a growing German/Austrian community.

George8600Threads: 20 Posts: 1,114 Joined: Feb 19, 09 ♂	Mar 5, 11, 20:21 #28
Bratwurst Boy: No hyperbole please!

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Mar 5, 11, 20:55 #29
...I've thought it would be more....but 4...

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Mar 5, 11, 21:36 #30

delphiandomine:

rychlik:
Isn't paki short for pakistani? Why do they find this offensive?

It's a derogatory insult towards them.

Same way that Jew is used as an insult towards Jewish people.

So again - less of the racial slus, please.

We got Mother Teresa from Calcutta over here, yes invite every starving ************ to Europe you'll be paying taxes to feed their ugly ass kids while your roads and benefits will be neglected, if you think they'd do the same for you, you need to slap yourself a couple times. Source: Major American cities.

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