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 Nov 11, 10, 18:54    #61
SeanBM:
So Havok, you don't live here, you don't do business here

But he's Polish, so he must, simply must, know so much more about today's business climate in Poland than those of us who actually do live here and do business successfully! Our experience and expertise must surely be worthless - a PolAm who's granny left Malopolska in 1899 would be the real expert on today's Warsaw. Obviously.

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 Nov 11, 10, 18:56    #62
jonni:
But he's Polish, so he must, simply must, know so much more about today's business climate in Poland than those of us who actually do live here and do business successfully! Our experience and expertise must surely be worthless - a PolAm who's granny left Malopolska in 1899 would be the real expert on today's Warsaw. Obviously.

How stupid of me, I apologise for my ignorants.
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 Nov 11, 10, 19:55    #63
Havok:
For instance, laws in the US give way more protection to the employee than in Poland.


I would like examples to back that up. With legal grounds and everything. Pretty please?
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 Nov 11, 10, 19:59    #64
Magdalena:
I would like examples to back that up. With legal grounds and everything. Pretty please?

Companies in the US seem to just be afraid of litigation. Things like "discrimination" can be widely interpreted in the US, and the payouts are enough to bankrupt a company. That's not the case over here. Laws are pretty clear on what they protect, and you're not going to get a $17.8m settlement because you were fired.
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 Nov 11, 10, 20:49    #65
Havok:
and the key to their success is "talk softly, but carry a large stick"... That's how it probably works in Russia. Here people work hard, make the right decisions, take calculated risks and research the market.


"Here"? You didn't even know that there was an election this year, so "Here" is most certainly not Poland.

Hey mods - where does his IP address check out to? :)

Anyway, you were talking about the problems of doing business. As I said - all of them are trusting, but are quick to deal with any potential problems. Then again, what would you know about Polish business, not actually living here?

Havok:
I have some family there. They visit us here on occasion. They may be some of those lawyers, doctors, medium size company owners that you know.


If they are, then they'll tell you all about the need to trust, but be wary.

Havok:
Seriously, stuff you're saying doesn't make any sense. The large part of the labor law are the rights given to the employees. Those laws are flawed, outdated and make no sense in Poland...


Really? Why don't you tell us about which laws are flawed, outdated and make no sense? I'm curious as to what you know about Polish labour law. Incidentally, one person I teach is an expert on employment law - and her opinion is that it is very heavily loaded towards the employee. In fact, listen to convex - he'll tell you that the law is ridiculously protective towards the employee.

But hey, I suppose a Polish-American knows plenty about doing business in Poland - especially when they don't even know about elections here!

Havok:
For instance, laws in the US give way more protection to the employee than in Poland.


As Magdalena says, let's hear it.

I don't call a pathetic federal minimum wage of $5.25 and 1 week's holiday "protection" for workers. Let's not forget that in the USA, tips make up the vast majority of people's wages in service proession. Yeah, real "protection" there.

Havok:
Do you know it first hand or did you just read an article about it?


First hand. And you?
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Edited by: Havok  Nov 12, 10, 00:10    #66
delphiandomine:
Then again, what would you know about Polish business, not actually living here?


Well, you live there but don’t seem to know jack either. I already told you my family lives there too.

Also, I’m not sure I understand the first part of your post.

Why would you want to know my IP address? My IP address is provided by the automatic DHCP configuration.
Getting a new dynamically generated IP address from the Comcast is a matter of rebooting my cable modem.

.. Or I can just pick up a phone and tell them to do it, besides knowing what my IP is not going to tell you where exactly i live.

I suspect they know my name though, because i paid with a credit card when i donated the money.

You're a good sport, you make me laugh.

delphiandomine:
If they are, then they'll tell you all about the need to trust, but be wary.


wait what? WTF are you talking about? Can you please elaborate, you've lost me on this one.

delphiandomine:
Really? Why don't you tell us about which laws are flawed, outdated and make no sense? I'm curious as to what you know about Polish labour law. Incidentally, one person I teach is an expert on employment law - and her opinion is that it is very heavily loaded towards the employee. In fact, listen to convex - he'll tell you that the law is ridiculously protective towards the employee.

But hey, I suppose a Polish-American knows plenty about doing business in Poland - especially when they don't even know about elections here!



It's not that i didn't even know, i didn't really give a flying ****... There is a difference.

about regz..

One thing that kind of makes me laugh is that you can tell a person that they're too old and just fire them in Poland, or you can post a job advertisement and specify the age of the person you want to hire.

I know you don't get it why this is seriously wrong, but it's ok bro.


delphiandomine:
As Magdalena says, let's hear it.
I don't call a pathetic federal minimum wage of $5.25 and 1 week's holiday "protection" for workers.


wrong again. I'm not sure what you're talking about with regards to 1 week holiday. The federal minimum wage is $7.25. What's the minimum wage in Poland? Like a third of that?

The US law gives the employee much more protection than just minimum wage. For instance, you can't be discriminated against based on your race, national origin, religion, age, sex, disability (which is another example how Poland is behind everyone), whether you're pregnant, or in the military, or old, or request time off for medical conditions, or to care for your family, or even whether you blow a whistle on your employer.

This means you can be retarded, like you, and still keep your job.

delphiandomine:
Let's not forget that in the USA, tips make up the vast majority of people's wages


LMAO are you high? Who told you that?

delphiandomine:
First hand. And you?


yes
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Edited by: Maybe  Nov 22, 10, 10:07    #67
Wroclaw Boy:
You wont have that problem as now all UK passports applied for outside the UK are handled via the Dusseldorf consulate in Germany, they use DHL so no Polish post offices. Be prepared however for the Polish DHL to hang on to the parcel for days, with no real excuse.

I tracked mine and it was like, Dusseldorf arrive 14:30, Dusseldorf processed 14:50, then Liepzig arrive 18:00, Leipzig processed 18:40. Then it reached the DHL processing center in Wroclaw, they called and confirmed the address and said delivery would happen the next morning. Four days later it shows up. DHL guarantee 24 hour delivery from dispatch, but obviously not in Poland.


i had the exact same problem. i ordered books from Amazon Uk, They sent them with DHL Germany, they left the UK on the 3rd of the month last heard of leaving Leizig 9th of the month arrived in Poland once I had called head office in Warsaw and complained on the 23rd.

Typical Polish **** up. Useless ******* country period.
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 Nov 22, 10, 17:29    #68
Maybe:
i ordered books from Amazon Uk, They sent them with DHL Germany,


I did the same about a month ago after finding out that UK amazon enabled free shipment to Poland for orders above 25 GBP (CD's for 4 GBP, here I come!). The package left the store on monday, I had it on my desk on thursday.

For every unhappy noisy customer there are dozens satisfied ones who remain silent.

Maybe:
Typical Polish **** up. Useless ******* country period.


Whatever, you ********. :P
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 Nov 23, 10, 10:04    #69
recoil:
I did the same about a month ago after finding out that UK amazon enabled free shipment to Poland for orders above 25 GBP (CD's for 4 GBP, here I come!). The package left the store on monday, I had it on my desk on thursday.

For every unhappy noisy customer there are dozens satisfied ones who remain silent.

Was that sent via DHL though?
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 Nov 23, 10, 10:21    #70
The customer services ones perhaps. It is a rarity to find effectiveness/efficiency there.
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 Nov 23, 10, 13:00    #71
Wroclaw Boy:
Was that sent via DHL though?


Yes.
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 Nov 23, 10, 19:09    #72
Maybe:
i had the exact same problem. i ordered books from Amazon Uk, They sent them with DHL Germany, they left the UK on the 3rd of the month last heard of leaving Leizig 9th of the month arrived in Poland once I had called head office in Warsaw and complained on the 23rd.

Typical Polish **** up. Useless ******* country period.



Quite recently I bought a book on Amazon US - the delivery was very soon (almost the soonest date Amazon predicted) - in Poland it was managed by Polish Post - what I guess these lesser companies haven't developed good procedures yet and they definitely try to run things as cheap as possible including saving on the personnel e.g. not enough people to handle things - I think it is the fault of Polish management even if companies are international - having said that Polish Post can be also quite unreliable when the Christmas nears


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