Polish sustainable energy?

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Apr 13, 11, 21:13 #31
SeanBM: Is it not going ahead? That'd be a pity if it were because of bureaucracy, any further information on the criteria? The last thing I heard was at least a couple of years ago.

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Apr 13, 11, 21:54 #32

I forgot about Father Rydzyk's geothernal proejct... so taking it all together (minus atomic enegry of which I'm no big fan!) -- geothermal energy, windfarms, hydroelectric, bioenergy, coal gasification -- if the maximum coordianted effort and investment were put into these sustainable fields over the next 5 years, what percentgae of Polands energy needs could they cover? I know this can be only a rough guesstimate, but anyway...

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Apr 14, 11, 15:32 #33

I think the biggest problem here in Poland is that there is no concerted effort from the authorities to make people aware of energy-saving. In Belgium you are bombarded with it. Subisidies on local, regional, federal level...
You get penalties for not saving energy...You are literally forced to do it. If only because you feel the effect in your wallet.
Try to build a house in Belgium without an effort to save energy and you you get huge fines (in the form of not being able deduct mortgage costs from your PIT). That is the way to go.
It goes from segregated waste collecting (try in Belgium to put everything in one bag and you are, rightfully, marked as an outcast)
to hefty subsidies for hybrid cars.
Here in Poland the problem is that there is no civic society as such, no public awareness "for the common good".
As for Rydzyk...That is of course a scam. A laugh really that the most fanatical anti-European in Poland wanted to get subsidies for something planned to make him only richer.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Apr 14, 11, 20:05 #34
sobieski: Subisidies on local, regional, federal level... You get penalties for not saving energy...You are literally forced to do it. Typical lefty nonsense.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Apr 14, 11, 20:10 #35
sobieski: Try to build a house in Belgium without an effort to save energy and you you get huge fines (in the form of not being able deduct mortgage costs from your PIT). That is the way to go. isin't the in the best interest of the owner to have an energy efficient house - why haunt people with regulation to do that

sobieskiThreads: 82 Posts: 1,141 Joined: Jun 1, 08 ♂	Apr 15, 11, 13:32 #36
Grzegorz_: Typical lefty nonsense. I do not agree. It is the only way to do it.Tax them (and hurt them) until it hurts...and then they will do it.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Apr 15, 11, 13:43 #37
sobieski: Try to build a house in Belgium without an effort to save energy and you you get huge fines It's one thing to encourage citizens and make them aware of the problem, but going as far as punishing them financially it's taking things way too far.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,470 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Apr 15, 11, 13:56 #38
Bzibzioh: It's one thing to encourage citizens and make them aware of the problem, but going as far as punishing them financially it's taking things way too far. Financial punishment is already happening has been for a while, petrol/gas prices anyone? household energy bills aren't getting any cheaper either.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Apr 15, 11, 15:31 #39
Wroclaw Boy: Financial punishment is already happening has been for a while, petrol/gas prices anyone? household energy bills aren't getting any cheaper either. Right, it's self correcting. If energy costs are high, I can use better materials/new technologies and save money in the long run.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,470 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Apr 16, 11, 00:22 #40
convex: I can use better materials/new technologies and save money in the long run. What would be your substitute for electricity? especially high powered devices.

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Apr 18, 11, 20:46 #41

Adding few facts:

The installed wind power capacity in Poland is ~1181 MW (on 14.01.2011). Wind energy density in Poland is one of the smallest in Europe. Installed capacity per capita is 0,012 kW, whereas per km2 of land area the figure amounts to 1,44 kW.
http://psew.pl/en/wind_energy.htm

However, a capacity is not the same as an actual power output. I could not find any data on current wind power output in Poland, so I will provide some estimate based on Ontario, Canada. Ontario's wind power capacity is roughly 1240 MW (planned 2600 MW by the end of 2011), quite comparable with that of Poland.

Current Ontario wind power output is 131 MW; that is, about 10% of the current capacity. Data taken at 12pm-1pm, Apr. 18, 2011.
http://www.ieso.ca/imoweb/marketdata/windpower.asp

Clickable map of wind farms in Poland:
http://psew.pl/en/elektrownie_wiatrowe_w_polsce.htm

Map of wind power in Polish voivodships in Poland 2010:
http://psew.pl/en/map_of_renewable_energy_sources_in_poland.htm

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Apr 18, 11, 21:17 #42
boletus: Clickable map of wind farms in Poland: Map of wind power in Polish voivodships in Poland 2010: Thanks for the info Boletus. By the look of those maps, is there so much more wind up the North West of Poland? Does anyone know about any E.U. or Polish government initiatives about renewable energies subsidies?

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Edited by: jwojcie Apr 18, 11, 22:11 #43

Here are fine statistics about wind power in Poland:
http://www.ewea.org/fileadmin/ewea_documents/documents/statistics/EWEA _Annual_Statistics_2010.pdf
It says that currently wind power stands for 1,5% of total energy consumption in Poland.
You know the thing is that many areas in Poland are relatively unsuitable for windmills. I guess that with current trends we can get to something between 5 to 10% of total consumption in next ten years and that would be it.

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