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Chicago PollockThreads: 10
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 Dec 9, 10, 05:03    #1
Don't give up the zloty:

With its drab, Soviet-era boulevards and standard-issue glass-and-steel office buildings, Warsaw does not look much like green, elegant Dublin. But there are some striking similarities between Poland today and Ireland in the 1990s.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/business/global/07zloty.html

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 Dec 9, 10, 05:52    #2
Chicago Pollock:
Don't give up the zloty:


you're right about that, as soon as Poland will join the Euro club, the situation there will get much worse.
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 Dec 9, 10, 12:38    #3
B0llshit article, written by a bunch of corporate dogs barking false optimism.
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 Dec 9, 10, 12:45    #4
The article was pretty much spot on as far as I can see. Cautiously optimistic, I would say.
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 Dec 9, 10, 13:13    #5
milky:
B0llshit article, written by a bunch of corporate dogs barking false optimism.

And thats a fact since PO got into power. Well said Milky.
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 Dec 9, 10, 13:46    #6
THE HITMAN:
And thats a fact since PO got into power.


So, all the improvements and investments we see aren't real, then?
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Edited by: Ziemowit  Dec 9, 10, 15:22    #7
Well said, Delphiandomine. When Hitman is barking, he should be choosing the direction in which he's barking more wisely. Instead he barks toujours vers PO.
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 Dec 9, 10, 15:56    #8
Poland needs to keep złoty to be economically independent from monetary policies of euro
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 Dec 9, 10, 16:07    #9
Marek11111:
Poland needs to keep złoty to be economically independent from monetary policies of euro


Whilst that's a fair point in terms of economic regulation,

a) Poland is not a big enough country to play the currency game against the big world banks. If JP Morgan want to make another announcement predicting a drop in the zloty strength (like they did two years ago) just so that they can make a killing on the recovery, the national reserves are not strong enough to counter that action. The country simply isn't strong enough (yet) to compete in that sort of market.

b) Poland signed the Maastricht treaty, and must join the Euro at some point; it's simply a matter of when. As other countries around it adopt the Euro, there will be increasing political pressure on Poland to join the bloc, with Germany and France's own banks stepping in to mess the zloty up until Poland has no choice.
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 Dec 9, 10, 16:14    #10
delphiandomine:
So, all the improvements and investments we see aren't real, then?

I can make improvements with EU handouts too.
Investments ? .......... please !!

Ziemowit:
wisely.

I don,t think you know the definition of " wise ".
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 Dec 9, 10, 16:15    #11
there be no euro currency in two years and there might not be EU wait till rest of piigs get their bailout and then England and Italy turn then Germans will pull out off EU reinstating mark and forth reich
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 Dec 9, 10, 16:18    #12
Richfilth:
a) Poland is not a big enough country to play the currency game against the big world banks.


I'd argue that Poland isn't big enough to play the game against even individual investors, let alone the big banks.
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 Dec 9, 10, 16:27    #13
Marek11111:
then Germans will pull out off EU reinstating mark and forth reich

Who told you the plan?!?!? It was supposed to stay secret until the big moment. You ruined the surprise.
Richfilth:
a) Poland is not a big enough country to play the currency game against the big world banks. If JP Morgan want to make another announcement predicting a drop in the zloty strength (like they did two years ago) just so that they can make a killing on the recovery, the national reserves are not strong enough to counter that action. The country simply isn't strong enough (yet) to compete in that sort of market.

The zloty was devalued to stimulate exports and investment during the downturn, which it successfully did by expanding the money supply and dropping rates.
Richfilth:
b) Poland signed the Maastricht treaty, and must join the Euro at some point; it's simply a matter of when. As other countries around it adopt the Euro, there will be increasing political pressure on Poland to join the bloc, with Germany and France's own banks stepping in to mess the zloty up until Poland has no choice.

Well...kind of. They are bound to join the euro, but there is no time frame. NBP isn't stupid, hopefully they'll hold onto to the Zloty as long as possible.

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Edited by: Richfilth  Dec 9, 10, 17:39    #14
convex:
The zloty was devalued to stimulate exports and investment during the downturn, which it successfully did by expanding the money supply and dropping rates.


Yes, I know, and I agree, but my point is more that, when outsiders decide "it's time for the zloty to come down" there's very little the NBP can do about it. JP Morgan was however fined as a result of their misleading news, if I remember rightly.

I don't want a Euro either. I'm just pointing out that I don't think Poland will be given the choice, and that it's pretty much a guaranteed thing within ten years whether we want it or not.
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 Dec 12, 10, 16:25    #15
Here's some sunshine dust sprinkled over a steaming pile of fiat currency:

The EU plans to make private lenders cover the losses of any future eurozone debt crisis

That is excellent news. I essence, I read this as saying the next country that takes a hit will just be allowed to go bankrupt leaving the private investors holding the debt standing in the cold. Good deal, will make the buyers (and issuers) of European debt more disciplined and stable.
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 Dec 12, 10, 18:50    #16
Ireland got screwed big time,however the bill will not be paid. The cash is not there and the young are leaving, big time.
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 Dec 12, 10, 18:59    #17
milky:
Ireland got screwed big time


From what I heard in the news, Ireland got bailed out by the rest of Europe. So why is that "getting screwed"? They didn't have their finances in order and the rest of Europe is bailing them out (as we did with Greece - and God knows which country will follow). Could you care to explain?
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 Dec 12, 10, 19:13    #18
milky:
The cash is not there and the young are leaving, big time.

Which means property prices will rise - right?
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Dec 12, 10, 21:25    #19
milky:
Ireland got screwed big time


By whom Milky? Why do you leave that little detail out???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932010_Irish_financial_crisis# Background_and_causes

Background and causes

The Irish economy expanded rapidly during the Celtic Tiger years (1995–2007) due to being one of the most economically free countries in the world, having an unusually low corporate tax rate, and low ECB interest rates, among other factors. This led to an expansion of credit and included a property bubble which petered out in 2007. Irish banks, already over-exposed to the Irish property market, came under severe pressure in September 2008 due to the global financial crisis of 2007–2010.

Government finances began to show signs of trouble in mid-2008. Government deficits increased, many businesses closed and unemployment increased. The Irish Stock index (ISEQ) fell. Many immigrant workers left, and the financial regulator resigned.

Anglo Irish Bank was particularly exposed to the Irish property bubble. A hidden loans controversy in December 2008 led to a further drop in its share price. The ISEQ dropped to a 14-year low on 24 September 2009, probably triggered by the unexpected resignation of former Anglo Irish Bank director Anne Heraty from the board of the Irish Stock Exchange the night before.[4]

The Irish economy entered severe recession in 2008. Ireland officially left recession in the first quarter of 2010.

NOT Europes or the Euro's fault....but we are bailing you out now!
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 Dec 13, 10, 08:55    #20
delphiandomine:
I'd argue that Poland isn't big enough to play the game against even individual investors, let alone the big banks.

Even the UK is not big enough to play the game against individual investors, if you remember a certain George Soros ...
THE HITMAN:
I don,t think you know the definition of " wise ".

I don't think you know where to put an apostrophe and where to put a comma.
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 Dec 13, 10, 09:01    #21
Euro is like a golden coffin.It is nice to see all this gold around you.
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 Dec 13, 10, 19:01    #22
Stu:
Could you care to explain?

the majority of the population were duped by IMF EU FF bankers developers.So the majority,hence the Irish people got screwed.
Bratwurst Boy:
NOT Europes or the Euro's fault....but we are bailing you out now!

b0llshit,you are bailing out the banks and we got your bill. I hope the ULA get elected just to p1ss @ssh0les like you off.
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 Dec 13, 10, 19:13    #23
milky:
the majority of the population were duped by IMF EU FF bankers developers


The article BB showed says something different, if you ask me. First there was a property bubble. Nowhere do I see IMF or EU bankers mentioned. I can only conclude that you are wrong in your assessment.
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 Dec 13, 10, 19:26    #24
The bailouts are design to pump more money into fail banks as the tax payer gets austerity put on them to pay for all.
My opinion is Poland will be in Ireland position in 10 to 15 years if euro survives the piigs, the only one hope is to keep Polish currencie
then you can be a master of your economy.
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 Dec 13, 10, 19:30    #25
Chicago Pollock:
Don't give up the zloty

that's what i've been saying for the longest, if it ain't broke don't fix it. No need for the Euro and other countries troubles to bring Poland down. The British are obviously the only smart ones in western Europe keeping the pound.
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 Dec 13, 10, 19:33    #26
Marek11111:
The bailouts are design to pump more money into fail banks as the tax payer gets austerity put on them to pay for all.

exactly..
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+world+economy+in+three +minutes



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