Need English-speaking accountant for small company in Krakow

warszawski

May 13, 10, 18:42 #31

Moonlighting:

Yes, there is a contract. Pardon me, but if EVERYTHING must be written down in a contract then it is a country of thieves in which it is considered normal to screw people up under the pretext that a contract didn't make any provision for this or that. There are things which are obvious, especially when it comes to the behaviour in business relationships. Well, I come from a country where the concept of "gentlemen agreement" is part of the business culture, it may be a concept that not many people understand. Even in IT, I as a supplier even happened once to work for a customer without any form of written contract, not even an e-mail

There is no obvious in Poland and there is no " gentleman agreement " I speak from experience. Although I do not consider Poland a country of thieves but a more appropriate word would be chancers. My word of advice is " always prepare for the worst and hope for the best "

Good luck with everything.

warszawski

May 13, 10, 18:53 #32

Moonlighting:

I may perhaps being better off by going on with her, as I wasted enough time already studying other offers. Can't waste anymore time in a transition process, if the difference in pricing will be so small.

You should ask her to explain to you, how you can avail of the 19% flat rate entrepreneurs tax. If you only have a Sp. Zo.o you would need to change your structure. But I m sure she can explain or find out for you.

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May 13, 10, 19:35 #33

warszawski:

Although I do not consider Poland a country of thieves but a more appropriate word would be chancers. My word of advice is " always prepare for the worst and hope for the best "

Anyway, I understand why Poland (which I like however for private reasons) is constantly described as a banana republic, or as you said, a country of chancers, in western economical newspapers.

warszawski:

Good luck with everything.

thanks a lot ;)

warszawski:

You should ask her to explain to you, how you can avail of the 19% flat rate entrepreneurs tax. If you only have a Sp. Zo.o you would need to change your structure. But I m sure she can explain or find out for you.

I have doubts she could explain correclty anything. I'll go to her office tomorrow afternoon. Right before that, I will have a meeting with one last accountant which I contacted today, and check his offer. Then if she really doesn't change, I'll sign up with the other accountant.

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Jul 16, 10, 15:05 #34

I finally changed accountants. I accepted last month the offer of another accountant who seems to be savvy, used to dealing with customers from Western Europe, speaks English, and will charge only 800zł per month for his services. He already helped me a lot in just 1 meeting to correct mistakes from my previous accountant, make suggestions and check a few things with ZUS. I'm happy.

As for my previous accountant, she had made me an offer at 900zł instead of 1000zł but I knew the problems would still remain. The worst thing is that she probably never really understood exactly why I was leaving her. Jesus, I really wasted a lot of time and money because of her... It's terrible that people with such restricted skills and no sense of responsibility have the right to open their own bureau!

OlafThreads: 8 Posts: 1,369 Joined: Oct 29, 09 ♂	Jul 16, 10, 15:14 #35
I pity you. But smart accounants are priceless. Either you make it all by yourself or you're bound to find a good one... Good luck with this one!

Muttley

Sep 3, 10, 08:47 #36

I think that all of you have to go back to your country and never come back!!! You are paying someone 1000 zl for being bookkeeper, accountant and tax advisor???

I have read your comments and really have had enough of you guys, we do not need people like you in this country.

I have worked as a bookkeeper/administrator in London get paid less than our cliner.
Come back to Poland and again I meet people that think they can expect from us to do everything for 400-1000zl.

I'm unemployed for 5 months now but would not work for you even for 5000zl.

Best Regards
Chris

OlafThreads: 8 Posts: 1,369 Joined: Oct 29, 09 ♂	Sep 3, 10, 10:57 #37
Muttley: Best Regards Chris You seem to be Polish but with a foreign name, that is confusing, Chris. Also I don't know why you agree to work abroad yourself but deny this right to foreigners in Poland. You spiol the market if you work for lesser money as you wrote. And now you wish to earn more after comming back?! What a hypocrite you are.

Muttley	Sep 7, 10, 18:14 #38
17K a year in London that is not a lot, I have never said that I would not work for less in my own country!!! Just have had enough of you guys expecting from us to work for less then the minimum wage in Poland! That would be unacceptable in the UK. You are asking why have I agreed to work in the UK?- had not much choice because of people like you .

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Sep 7, 10, 18:39 #39
Muttley: Just have had enough of you guys expecting from us to work for less then the minimum wage in Poland! Erm - I'd say that an accountant getting 1000zl from several clients is earning significantly more than minimum wage!

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Sep 8, 10, 14:52 #40
Muttley: You are paying someone 1000 zl for being bookkeeper, accountant and tax advisor??? Given that it is two or three days per month, that person is making a pretty good living.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Sep 8, 10, 15:01 #41
Harry: Given that it is two or three days per month, that person is making a pretty good living. Especially as most accountants will have junior members of staff to do the tedious parts.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Sep 8, 10, 15:51 #42
And given that the persson is probably a bookkeeper rather than an accountant, it is very good money indeed.

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Edited by: Moderator Sep 10, 10, 18:13 #43

Basically Poland is a fast growing country but still some one cannot expect a good salary there. Where we talk about English and then Professional Accountant, I don't thing some one English can work for that small money.

The best way is that you should change your submission of your company's accounts returns in your country and by law you can do that. When there is a language barrier between you and your accountant it will disturb your business.

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Edited by: Moonlighting Sep 14, 10, 07:31 #44

Muttley:

I think that all of you have to go back to your country and never come back!!! You are paying someone 1000 zl for being bookkeeper, accountant and tax advisor???
(...)
Come back to Poland and again I meet people that think they can expect from us to do everything for 400-1000zl.
Best Regards
Chris

Are you joking? Of course we expect the accountant to do all this (for a small client with just a few documents per month) for 400-1000zl.
When I was still in Belgium, my accountant's monthly fee was the equivalent of 360zl + VAT for a work that took him 1 or 2 hours. With that, he was making enough of a salary to buy a big house, a nice Volvo car and even had a horse. So what's wrong with you who think it's normal to do only bookkeeping at +1000zl in a country where the cost of living is cheaper? Where does all this money go? Or are you really starving because of lack of clients?

Muttley

Sep 14, 10, 11:40 #45

I have worked as administrator/bookkeeper 40h per week. I did get it wrong when thinking that your are employing someone full time for 400- 1000zl.

Moonlight- no I'm not starving because of lack of clients. I wasn't even thinking of doing bookkeeping in Poland. Being bookkeeper is something different than being accountant or tax advisor.
I've worked in London using QuickBooks- monkey could do this job, long story short, I hope that you will find someone who will help you with your business.

wondering75	Dec 11, 11, 12:23 #46
I guess the person whom asked should have specifued how many hours which was needed... The answers as to how much bookkeepers/accountants make are very different in various threads. Anyway, for an (talented) accountant working with local business: carpeneters, hair dressers, etc. How much would the normal monthly wage be, when working 160 hours a month?

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Dec 11, 11, 12:42 #47
wondering75: Anyway, for an (talented) accountant working with local business: carpeneters, hair dressers, etc. How much would the normal monthly wage be, when working 160 hours a month? Such a person is likely to be self employed rather than working for someone. How much is their salary? Impossible to calculate.

ZiemowitThreads: 10 Posts: 1,063 Joined: May 8, 09 ♂	Dec 11, 11, 13:46 #48
I wonder if Moonlighting is happy with his new accountant? Or has he become a Polish accountant himself by now?

wondering75

Dec 13, 11, 21:21 #49

@delphiandomine. In my city there are four companies whom work with local business. They do bookkeeping for anything from lamp stores to glass blowers or antique stores. All small business needs a bookkeeper to get the VAT paid, the tax done, salaries paid. Some do it themselves, but as there's very many hair dressers, carpenters and such who do not have knowledge of bookkeeping they get someone to do it for them. And that's accountants. Many buy 3-5 hours of accounting monthly, and it's common that such accountant businesses are small (3-10 accountants coming together making a company).

MoonlightingThreads: 60 Posts: 308 Joined: Apr 28, 07 ♂	Dec 17, 11, 22:07 #50
Ziemowit: I wonder if Moonlighting is happy with his new accountant? Or has he become a Polish accountant himself by now? I'm extremely happy with him. Everything is done perfectly. He also makes suggestions from time to time (wise ones). I've even had an inspection from Urząd Skarbowy further to a tax refund request, and it went great as I got back all the money my accountant had anticipated.

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