Someone interested to Open a Restaurant in Wroclaw?

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Jan 23, 11, 19:35 #1

Dear all,

We are two colleagues with links in Wroclaw and a very solid project to open a restaurant (we are from Spain so...) in Wroclaw. The idea is to have the idea moving by the end of Summer 2011, November the latest.

We would nonetheless be open to discuss it with somebody with new ideas or a solid idea of how these things work in Wroclaw (meaning location, paperwork, etc...)

Looking forward to hearing from you!

F.

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Edited by: delphiandomine Jan 23, 11, 19:44 #2

Ibok:

We would nonetheless be open to discuss it with somebody with new ideas or a solid idea of how these things work in Wroclaw (meaning location, paperwork, etc...)

First things first - it's commercial suicide to open in November. In fact, if you can't open by May (well in time for the summer rush of Germans) - you really are losing out on quite a lot financially. Poles aren't big restaurant-goers - hence why you want the summer months to provide you with tourist income.

Anyway, paperwork is difficult. It's very, very difficult for a foreigner to get started in the food industry in Poland - the regulations are very tough, and somewhat arcane at times. I'd suggest, as a minimum, to get a Polish partner on board (or at least, as a GM) to oversee the process.

Location? Same rule as anywhere else in Europe.

Concept? Stay well away from sushi. Otherwise, virtually anything can work. A Spanish restaurant with authentic (no cabbage!) food with a place that is furnished to a high standard will do very well for itself. But - as always - you need to invest a lot of money in such a venture, too.

What's your budget?

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Jan 23, 11, 20:00 #3

delphiandomine:

Concept? Stay well away from sushi.

There are many many sushi restaurants in Krakow, I have no idea why probably just fashion.

I would not eat sushi so far away from the sea, despite what Harry says but why do you not recommend sushi, Delphi?

delphiandomine:

furnished to a high standard

And don't use tiles on the floor, it looks cheap, makes a lot of noise when moving chairs and worst of all it's cold.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Jan 23, 11, 20:22 #4
I live in Wroclaw, have a bar and restaurant in Croatia. Buy me a beer and I'll spill the beans on why I skipped opening something here. Do you have experience in the industry? I'd second what Delph said about a local partner unless your Polish is up to speed and you have some good friends here. Could have used a nice tapas bar a couple of years back.

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Jan 23, 11, 23:56 #5

SeanBM:

There are many many sushi restaurants in Krakow, I have no idea why probably just fashion.

I would not eat sushi so far away from the sea, despite what Harry says but why do you not recommend sushi, Delphi?

Simple observation - there's too many of them in big Polish cities and many of them seem to be doing very badly despite big budgets. There's one example here that must have spent a fortune on advertising, yet it's still empty most nights of the week. One or two of them do well, but in Poznan, even the one with the authentic Japanese chefs isn't doing that well.

(and that's not even talking about the difficulty of sourcing ingredients here)

I've noticed on the other hand, Asian (but not Japanese) cuisine does very well if it's authentic. And of course, Italian/Spanish food is always popular if done well.

convex:

Buy me a beer and I'll spill the beans on why I skipped opening something here.

That answer would be Sanepid, right? ;)

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 24, 11, 12:42 #6
SeanBM: I would not eat sushi so far away from the sea, despite what Harry says but why do you not recommend sushi, Delphi? The sushi in Warsaw is far better than that in Sopot or Gdansk!

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Jan 24, 11, 13:26 #7

delphiandomine:

Simple observation - there's too many of them in big Polish cities and many of them seem to be doing very badly despite big budgets.

Its obvious the range and quality of fish doesn't exist in Poland to do Sushi justice.

SeanBM:

And don't use tiles on the floor, it looks cheap, makes a lot of noise when moving chairs and worst of all it's cold.

It would not be a Spanish bar without tiles, would it?

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 24, 11, 13:38 #8
peterweg: Its obvious the range and quality of fish doesn't exist in Poland to do Sushi justice. My Japanese friends disagree with you. According to them there are at least two sushi restaurants in Warsaw which would do well in their (Japanese) home towns.

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Edited by: jwojcie Jan 24, 11, 17:07 #9

I'm not 100% sure, but I think that this pub is run by some Spanish guy:
http://www.miodosytnia.wroclaw.pl/

You can check it. If so then maybe it would be more convenient for you talk this kind of bussiness with some compatriot...

http://www.google.pl/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=pl&geocode=&q=wroc%C5%82aw &aq=&sll=52.025459,19.204102&sspn=0.102879,0.308647&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear= Wroc%C5%82aw,+Dolno%C5%9Bl%C4%85skie&ll=51.110609,17.029366&spn=0.0016 4,0.004823&t=h&z=18

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 24, 11, 17:27 #10
peterweg: Its obvious the range and quality of fish doesn't exist in Poland to do Sushi justice. Oh, it probably can be done - but there's room for perhaps one good restaurant in every city (okay, Warsaw could probably accomodate 2-3). As it stands, there's just a massive oversupply of restaurants.

sushirulz	Jan 25, 11, 03:06 #11
How far away you are from the sea doesn't affect the quality of sushi (that's the rice), so I think you meant sashimi lol

George8600Threads: 20 Posts: 1,114 Joined: Feb 19, 09 ♂	Jan 25, 11, 03:41 #12
Go with something exotic, ie not european and more or less not middle eastern. Japanese food is very exotic, as well as Indian, and possibly African food (something that took hold here in Chicago). Brazilian, Indian, Thai are some other ideas.

Pinching PeteThreads: 1 Posts: 1,111 Joined: Feb 23, 08 ♂	Jan 25, 11, 04:33 #13
George8600: Japanese food is very exotic Yes, I guess so is a bait shop too, but I don't want to eat at one.

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Jan 25, 11, 08:10 #14

George8600:

Japanese food is very exotic, as well as Indian, and possibly African food (something that took hold here in Chicago). Brazilian, Indian, Thai are some other ideas.

Japanese food - no-one knows anything but sushi, and that market is saturated. Even if you specifically don't sell sushi, no-one will come.

African food - maybe. I can't recall where it is, but I remember reading something about a South African restaurant that was doing well in Poland.

Brazilian? It could work, if the restaurant had a big advertising budget (ala those awful Buddha Bar places) and enough money to make it a "destination".

Indian - I wouldn't bother in Wroclaw. Too much competition and even "real" ones are starting to pop up.

Honestly, the best advice in this case is to open a decent Spanish place - the only good one I know in Poland is in Lublin of all places!

StuThreads: 27 Posts: 1,109 Joined: Mar 31, 10 ♂	Jan 25, 11, 09:52 #15
George8600: African food Ohhh yes! With antilope steak, ostrich and possibly even nile crocodile and snake on the menu. With great SA-wines ... mjam! When do you open ... ?!

jwojcieThreads: 3 Posts: 816 Joined: Jan 3, 09 ♂	Jan 25, 11, 13:21 #16
delphiandomine: Brazilian? It could work, if the restaurant had a big advertising budget (ala those awful Buddha Bar places) and enough money to make it a "destination". There is Brazilian restaurant in Wroclaw. After one visit I have a mixed feelings though...

StuThreads: 27 Posts: 1,109 Joined: Mar 31, 10 ♂	Jan 25, 11, 13:32 #17
jwojcie: There is Brazilian restaurant in Wroclaw. Where is it? On Wiezienna? What didn't you like?

jwojcieThreads: 3 Posts: 816 Joined: Jan 3, 09 ♂	Jan 25, 11, 15:58 #18
Stu: Where is it? On Wiezienna? What didn't you like? Yes, that one. I ordered some fish with fancy name and I'm almost sure I've got Panga... what is more very moist Panga... blee... On the other hand dish ordered by my fiancée was decent enough, I don't remember what it was. -1 + 1 = mixed feelings :-)

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Edited by: convex Jan 26, 11, 14:14 #19
jwojcie: On the other hand dish ordered by my fiancée was decent enough, I don't remember what it was. -1 + 1 = mixed feelings :-) It's all right. Stick to beans, rice, and bacon...you'll be ok. The creamed corn soup is pretty good too. Brazilian BBQ, like all you can eat style...that might work. I'd suggest a bigger city though for something like that. It's quite popular in Prague.

landoraThreads: 1 Posts: 191 Joined: Oct 14, 09 ♀	Jan 26, 11, 16:22 #20
convex: all you can eat style I've always wondered why these don't exist in Poland - surely they'd do a roaring trade? A restaurant like this, with a very very strict "no drinks from outside" rule would do very well I think.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,472 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jan 26, 11, 16:53 #21
landora: I've always wondered why these don't exist in Poland - surely they'd do a roaring trade? they'd need some fanatical security, just wouldnt work in PL, not yet anyway.

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Edited by: warszawski Jan 26, 11, 16:56 #22

Ibok:

We would nonetheless be open to discuss it with somebody with new ideas or a solid idea of how these things work in Wroclaw

I know someone who has a existing unit with permission for coffee shop/restaurant ( turnkey). Who may be interested in a co-operating with partners, he is in Wroclaw today and tomorrow, contact me with your names and direct details and I will put you both in contact.

landora:

I've always wondered why these don't exist in Poland - surely they'd do a roaring trade?

You think ! I know a lot of Poles that would not eat for a week, just to get value from a visit to a all you can eat.

What rotation of tables do you think the restaurant would have?

wroclawxThreads: - Posts: 4 Joined: Feb 4, 11 ♀	Feb 4, 11, 18:15 #23
I think regulations would be complicated anywhere but you might find out in Poland would be double truble;-) but it is easy to finr the right way ;-)

IbokThreads: 1 Posts: 5 Joined: Jan 23, 11 ♂	Feb 4, 11, 22:00 #24
warszawski: contact me with your names How can I contact you? I am quite new at this and it does not let me send private messages just yet..

granit77	Feb 5, 11, 17:08 #25
hi i can help u very easy lee if u want to open contact granit77@hotmail.com

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Feb 5, 11, 20:43 #26

delphiandomine:

it's commercial suicide to open in November

Thanks! but I already know that, so what I basically meant is to get hands on the project and have it running for 2012.

delphiandomine:

Poles aren't big restaurant-goers

Maybe, or better, I am sure they will to my place! ;)

delphiandomine:

as a minimum, to get a Polish partner on board

Got two by now, the one that would be in charge of the service area is a good mate, experienced and with a very decent knowledge of Spanish, which is always a plus.

delphiandomine:

paperwork is difficult. It's very, very difficult for a foreigner to get started in the food industry in Poland

How do the prolific yet excellent Indian restaurants, that are run by non-polish do it??

delphiandomine:

A Spanish restaurant

Yes, they main concept is this, but non-comercial, no bull head on the walls nor flamenco figures on the shelves

convex:

Could have used a nice tapas bar a couple of years back

It is never too late!
Thank you everyone, and please, keep me in your thoughts for help and info, I will be a most grateful friend!

emrasThreads: 1 Posts: 2 Joined: Mar 4, 11 ♂	Mar 4, 11, 11:57 #27
hello do you think pizza restaurant there?

IbokThreads: 1 Posts: 5 Joined: Jan 23, 11 ♂	Mar 9, 11, 18:49 #28
Not really, sorry

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