Bye bye Putin's oil boom. Welcomme 1998 financial default ?

I didn't mean any economical issues (don't think money make "european" out of you), I was rather talking about spiritual stuff but you anyway say:



Maybe you're right. I've never dealt with Poles upbroght in Poland here... you're the only my experience.

Oh really ?
Do you see any other "spiritual" value common for Europeans today ?

You may have money or may not have them. That's not a criterion to judge of your belonging. Of course everybody has a right to come up with his own criteria, thence we can hardly find universal way of handling the issue of "europeaness". So I testify for myself. From my perspective we have different turn of mind but it's hard to specify any certain features. Probably on average we're (Poles and Russians) more marginal in our feelings and in expressing of our feelings than those who I call "Europeans". If we love our love is stronger, if we hate our hatred is stronger. I certainly might be wrong but that's the way I see it.

Ask the Russians and the Germans.They will tell you the same.

To make a long story short - no serious arguments only some old fashioned stories about "Slavic souls".
Sorry, but in my opinion Poles are by far less "Slavic" than other Slavic nations.
Because of the permanent Roman Catholic Church's influence.
PS. That's not about genetics.


Both are not objective and honest in this case.
For very different reasons.
BTW. are Germans the only West-Europeans you know ?

In my opinion they are the most slavic of all slavic nations.They are hardcore Slavs with very few foreign influences.

In sense of DNA code - yes.
We are like Russians.
Mentally we are closer to Catholic nations like Italians, or Irish people.
I wonder why we don't have a sorta Polish river dance lol.

DNA basically determines everything.Have you seen blacks or asians mentally close to Germans or English?DNA predisposes to certain behaviours.
For example you and Russians like strong drinks.



I have not noticed any similarity at all between italian and polish mentality.Can you elaborate?Italians are noisy,extremely polite,talk too much,are open etc.



Disko polo for sure will never appear in Italy.I also dout that italian music is popular at all in Poland.

Sure.
They have this ****** Italo disco.
Actually you can say the same about Poles as compared to Swedes for example.
What really determinates peoples behavior are religion, history, social conditions.
Using your DNA logic Germans with about 30% of West-Slavonic blood should be closest to us at least among West-Europeans.

Yes,they are.I refer to eastern Germans of course.

I didn't want to have you expected serious comments on unserious question. See the only thing we can provide each other with here is our perception. I would agree with that you're still in a manner unique among slavs, but having the same approach you've got nothing in common at all with "europeans".



What's our reason I wonder? :)

So now we are close to Germans ? lol
Only because of their long cultural, economical and military penetration not because of DNA similarity.
Talking genotypes Poles are also very similar to Scandinavian people - by far more than to Czechs for example.
But in sense of mentality we are very different.



Obviously we've got quite a lot in common with them both in sense of civilisation and religion but what I'm on about is that we don't have too much in common with you Russians!

You're using pan-Slavic myths for political reasons - I mean all this stuff about Slavic souls, similarities, close genotypes etc.

I'm not a politician, neither I want to enslave your nation nor to smuggle out kielbasa. Yes, you're right I'm likely to look for similarities just because I'm after our warm relations in the future. But ok, ok... you win. :)

You are close to eastern Germans but you are closer to Russians than to Germans.And you are closer to Germans than to French.



No,you are much closer to Czechs genetically than to Scandinavians.Sometimes it is very difficult to tell a Czech apart from a Pole in terms of appearance,for example a Czech from Ostrava from a Pole from Katowice.They look close although there are certain differences.



I can distinguish Poles from Russians,however others outside slavic nations cannot distinguish them.

I have to agree with you that we are closer to Czechs than to Scandinavian people at least as measured by R1a distribution.
But still this so called Viking DNA is more frequent in Scandinavia than in Germany and take it for granted there are NO similarities between us and Norwegians (30% R1a among males).

According to R1a tests we are closest to Lusitania Sorbs in Germany and to Russians.
Point.

But assumption that haplogroups distribution can influence our mentality or beliefs is wrong.
It would be kinda modern racism lol.



So what ?
Does it refer to their mentality ?
Poles from Silesia are on average strongly religious people, Czechs mostly atheistic.

Same goes for Russians and Poles - we look very similar, our languages sound similar but Poles are product of Sarmatism, Liberum Veto, Roman Catholic Church influences and Russians were mentally formed by Mongol Yoke, absolutism of czars, Orthodoxy, last but not least communism.

As for our drinking habits - Yes !
They are similar for R1a haplogroup plus Germans lol.

Could I ask you, how? By skull's dimensions?



You forgot to add "lying Byzantinism"....

If you do not mind my intrusion into this Slavic orgy..


Anyone got any comments on the following:

"OPEC Plans Supply Cut as Crude Oil Heads Toward $50"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aSARub6YaVDQ&refer =home




How would a $50 barrel impact the Russian economy?


PJ

We will live on the interests from the loan to Iceland.... :-P

The loan is thought to be about $ 5 billions. At 10% annual interest, you will get $ 500 million a year. Barely enough to buy a few blocks on Tverskaya at current prices.



PJ

Due to financial collapse the prices on realty are falling as well, so we will have a room for our actions. Besides, Russians are not such dummies you think...We are able to strip these morons....

Who is "we"?

It certainly is not the 140M or so Russian citizens. Merely a bunch of clueless bureaucrats and ex KGB crooks running the show, while you r passively sitting and basking in either glory or shame depending on the outcome of their wretched endeavours.


PJ

Well, Mr. ParisJazz wants to announce his plan of rescue for Russia! Welcome Mr.! We are waiting impatiently! What we should do for blossoming?

I suggest Oblomov's approach.
Doing nothing was always good for you.

From my experience, the best and quickest way to make a Russian angry is to deny him his europeanesss. I'm afraid that your post confirms my expectations, Sasha. I think that Russians have a complex towards "civilized Europe" probably since the very emergence of Russia as a state. Well, at least from the times of Peter I. You know, the shaving off the beards of the Boyars etc...



Actually I never thought of Russia as anything else other than Europe. Your contribution to European civilization is enormous,a lot bigger than that of Poland. I think that you definitely are Europeans. A very peculiar Europeans, but definitely Europeans. :)

I guess firstly in order to better understand each other we need to clarify and thoroughly define what "European" and "Russian" mean. Either these are some genetical features or moral, or maybe something else.
Unless we're agreed on some basic terminology that's irrelevant to go further.



Then you got me wrong. The problem is not in the fact of negation itself (most of Russians don't think they're europeans by their turn of mind either... and I'm with them). The problem's in the way how this fact's presented and the implication of it. That's particularly amazing to hear fairy-tales about "mongols" dressed by talks about racial tolerance etc. When something is said in ignorant, agressive manner in the obvious attempt to offend, could that be perceived somehow other but making one angry?



Dziekuje! That was a polite manner and you didn't mean to offend. I am European only by the place I live. However I've got nothing against Europeans, I merely realize we're different in average. Meanwhile you're welcome to think we're Europeans, since I can't strictly enough define who is European by the moral scale.

I thought Celinski posted this...Russia will default on nothing...Russia has a mega billion dollar surplus, and huge gold reserves.

Ural Oil (Russian) costs 42$ per barrel ... few months ago price was 145$ ...

It is right time to start a little victorious war somewhere in central europe.

A little victorious war? What kind of war? If it was military, it would be mightily foolish.

Why? NATO is weak, US are deep into two wars plus economic disaster, EU is divided and import depended.... We have all chances to make this was victorious.