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Which case for adjectives?


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sion [Guest]
  Jun 30, 07, 14:55  #1

When an adjective is used after the verb to be without a noun, should it be in the nominative case, mianownik, or in the instrumental case, narzednik? Examples: 1 On jest smutny/smutnym 2 nie chce byc smutny/smutnym 3 bycie smutny/smutnym jest zle.

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Davey
Edited by: Davey  Jun 30, 07, 16:36  #2

I think you can say: ex. Jestes mily(Nom), Jestes milym chlopakiem(Inst.)
If you are describing a noun, I think its narzednik and mianowik when just using an adj.
anyways just to be safe use narzednik...

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MADNAI
Edited by: MADNAI  Jun 30, 07, 19:43  #3

I'm sad (jestem smutny) but if you are in sad mood, it's men you are in smutnym nastroju
you (smutny) (smutnym ...)
she... (smutna) (smutnym ...)
it...(smutne) (smutnym ....)
we... (smutni) (smutnym ....)
you... (smutni) (smutnym ...)
they... (smutni) (smutnym ....)
[they... form for non men] (smutne) (smutnym ....)

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ella
  Jun 30, 07, 22:24  #4

Quoting: sion
Examples: 1 On jest smutny/smutnym 2 nie chce byc smutny/smutnym 3 bycie smutny/smutnym jest zle.


1. On jest smutny
2. Nie chce byc smutny
3. Bycie smutnym jest zle

Quoting: MADNAI
I'm sad (jestem smutny) but if you are in sad mood, it's men you are in smutnym nastroju
you (smutny) (smutnym ...)
she... (smutna) (smutnym ...)
it...(smutne) (smutnym ....)
we... (smutni) (smutnym ....)
you... (smutni) (smutnym ...)
they... (smutni) (smutnym ....)
[they... form for non men] (smutne) (smutnym ....)


ja (I) ................................... smutna (woman) smutny (man)
ty (you))............................... smutna (woman) smutny (man)
on (he)................................ smutny
ona (she)............................ smutna
ono (it) ............................... smutne

my (we)..................smutni( group of men/or mixed sex group); smutne (group of women)
wy ( You-plural form).......smutni (group of men/or mixed) ; smutne (group of women)
oni (they-masculine form)............... smutni (group of men/or mixed sex group)
one (they-feminine form)..... smutne (group of women)

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Michal
  Jul 2, 07, 12:48  #5

I have quite a good old fashioned book by B. W. Mazur. Under the title of byc and the nominative. After byc adjectives referring to the subject are in the nom. case. But when the adjective qualifies a noun both are put into the instrumental case. Compare
J jestem stary-nom
Maria jest wysoka-nom
Jestem starym doktorem-inst
Maria jest wysoka zdiewczyna-instrumental

Grammar is practice and there is usually a logic as to why something is used in a certain way, especially in Polish. Why all this terminology of 'mianownik' and 'narzednik'? It is not worth complicating something pratical if you are unable to even use these simple grammar tools in practicle situations.

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sion [Guest]
  Jul 2, 07, 13:03  #6

Thanks. What's the title of your old-fashioned book?

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Michal
  Jul 2, 07, 13:22  #7

It is the old original version of Colloquial Polish by W. B. Mazur, I have always kept the book from old, well, I say old, from the early 1980's though that is twenty years ago. I picked up a copy for £1.50 at a car boot not so long ago!

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Michal
  Jul 3, 07, 11:58  #8

Mind you to finish off answering the question, in dictionaries, you will normally see byc followed by the adjective in the instrumental case even without an added noun.

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Mufasa
  Mar 2, 08, 09:39  #9

declination please:

miękki singular masculine
miękka singular feminine
miękkie singular neuter

miękcy plural m, n?
?????? plural f?

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RJ_cdn
Edited by: RJ_cdn  Mar 2, 08, 10:43  #10

Mufasa wrote:
declination please:
miękki singular masculine
miękka singular feminine
miękkie singular neuter
miękcy plural m, n?
?????? plural f?


m , f , n , plural m , plural f/n
Nom miękki miękka miękkie miękcy miękkie
Gen miękkiego miękkiej miękkiego miękkich miękkich
Dat miękkiemu miękkiej miękkiemu miękkim miękkim
Acc miękkiego miękką miękkie miękkich miękkie
Inst miękkim miękką miękkim miękkimi miękkimi
Loc miękkim miękkiej miękkim miękkich miękkich
Voc miękki miękka miękkie miękcy miękkie

ja miękki
ty miękki
on miękki
ona miękka
ono miękkie
my miękcy
wy miękcy
oni miękcy
one miękkie


Please, wait for others to confirm that.

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Krzysztof
  Mar 2, 08, 11:13  #11

RJ_cdn wrote:
Please, wait for others to confirm that.

confirmed :)

Michal wrote:
Mind you to finish off answering the question, in dictionaries, you will normally see byc followed by the adjective in the instrumental case even without an added noun.

this question is very old, but since it's still unanswered and I've just seen it:
yes, the dictionary gives the instrumental form (masculine, singular) with the infinitive, because that's how you say it.
To be sad - Być smutnym; To become famous - Stawać się sławnym etc.; however, when the auxiliary verb (być, stawać się and similar) is conjugated, you use nominative (feminine or masculine, singular or plural).
Jest smutny. Stała się sławna po zagraniu u Spielberga.

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Mufasa
  Mar 2, 08, 11:24  #12

RJ_cdn wrote:
Nom miękki miękka miękkie miękcy miękkie


dzięki :)

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