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The Changing Face of Scotland - we need more immigrants!


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PolskaDoll
  Dec 29, 07, 11:12  #151

noimmigration wrote:
I am a univeristy student moron, I am not worried about competition from jobs. How many polish have studied scots law.


Well you should be worried about competition for jobs. Just because you'll possibly leave University with a certificate it doesn't guarantee you of anything.

noimmigration wrote:
we dont want or need hundreds of thousands of polish cleaners, waiters, shop assistants, administrators etc.


Once again you are completely missing the point of everything. Including the point of this thread. Scotland does need all of the above.

Grzegorz_ wrote:

noimmigration wrote:
I am a univeristy student moron


We all see very well what you are


Best quote of the day.



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szkotja2007
  Dec 29, 07, 11:19  #152

noimmigration wrote:
I am a univeristy student moron

The first step to rehabilitation.......acceptance. LOL !


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Seanus
  Dec 29, 07, 11:30  #153

The job market changed, more job share schemes started popping up, part-time work became more common, both of which weren't what most Scottish graduates were looking for. Therefore, they looked elsewhere. Immigrants have different expectations of the job market but much depends on keeping immigration at a managable level. I can remember scouring through newspapers and doing many other things to get work but it isn't easy in Scotland if you aren't in certain lines of work


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_Sofi_ [Guest]
  Dec 29, 07, 11:46  #154

noimmigration wrote:
we dont want or need hundreds of thousands of polish cleaners, waiters, shop assistants, administrators etc.

lol. Yes, I hear these jobs do themselves if you leave them long enough, you're right.

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lennyd [Guest]
  Dec 29, 07, 14:29  #155

_Sofi_ wrote:
these jobs do themselves

british jobs for british workers first surely must be a priority , or a priority of any country to look after its own, no one will never get out of poverty these days with all these poles wages will never rise ever only maybe 10p an hour every year if the government rise the minimum wage , open door immigration is just a recipe for disaster ,always gonna keep low paid workers on the scrap heap

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Grzegorz_
  Dec 29, 07, 14:32  #156

I see that It's all about the money, so I wonder what should happan when Poland become richer than UK, which is only a matter of time. Will you UFOs like to be pushed around by us ?


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Seanus
  Dec 29, 07, 14:33  #157

Alex Salmond, SNP MP, seems to think we need more. I watched him speak in Glasgow many years ago and he is a very articulate guy. Record keeping and compiling accurate statistics gets harder when immigrants don't register or work for less than minimum wage but diversity has been appreciated in places like Inverness where they have managed to get jobs as waitresses or hoteliers


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Shawn_H
  Dec 29, 07, 14:33  #158

noimmigration wrote:
we dont want or need hundreds of thousands of polish cleaners, waiters, shop assistants,

That is so true. Think of all those dissapointed chav's just crying in their beer, "I couldn't get the cleaning job, a Polish guy got the job...."


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Grzegorz_
  Dec 29, 07, 14:37  #159

I can give a part time cleaning job If anybody is interested...


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szkotja2007
  Dec 29, 07, 14:42  #160

Seanus wrote:
they have managed to get jobs as waitresses or hoteliers

and Dentists, Doctors, Schoolteachers, Joiners, Tilers, Plasterers etc etc


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lennyd [Guest]
  Dec 29, 07, 14:45  #161

Grzegorz_ wrote:
UFO

what is this UFO thing ? poland is a disgrace they will never be a wealthy nation like us this country is packed with pollocks and people are getting well p1ssed , it's only a matter of time before something breaks and we review our position in the EU which hasn't benefited anyone from the uk the EU is just one big joke on the british people , this guy thinks we have heads like ufo's better than poles with big long sculptured eastern european heads looking weird walking round with rucksacks looking like true communists oh and the bobbly eyes they seem to have and massive veins in their heads which look like their going to burst

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_Sofi_ [Guest]
Edited by: _Sofi_  Dec 29, 07, 14:51  #162

lennyd wrote:
priority of any country to look after its own

Please...read this link: URL By having immigrants, the uk is 'looking after it's own.' Immigrants aren't stealing the 'British jobs,' British people simply aren't taking them. Here's one quote I want to highlight:

The minimal effect being had on unemployment as a result of immigration in the UK has disproved the theory that there are a finite number of jobs in the labour market and that the immigrant’s gain is the Brits’ loss.



Grzegorz_ wrote:
UFOs

ok - what do you mean?
lennyd wrote:
we have heads like ufo's better than poles with big long sculptured eastern european heads looking weird walking round with rucksacks looking like true communists oh and the bobbly eyes they seem to have and massive veins in their heads which look like their going to burst

haha where the hell do you live? I've never seen anyone like that before...


Lennyd, you look familiar...I could swear I'd seen (very recently) an entire thread all about you.

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Seanus
  Dec 29, 07, 15:00  #163

Why are Poland a disgrace because they are not wealthy? America was one of the wealthiest countries in the world and look how it misspent its wealth on evil. Granted, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland are good examples, being amongst the world's wealthiest countries, but that doesn't make Poland a shambles.


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Grzegorz_
  Dec 29, 07, 15:02  #164

lennyd wrote:
poland is a disgrace they will never be a wealthy nation like us


We are better educated, more creatice, work harder, so It's only a matter of time when we become richer than you.


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Seanus
  Dec 29, 07, 15:06  #165

Again, no offence Greg but being better educated, more creative and working harder doesn't guarantee wealth. Professors are educated but not always loaded, scientists are creative but often get paid little and manual labourers work hard, poorly paid too. The problem lies with the Polish govt in increasing salaries


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szkotja2007
  Dec 29, 07, 15:06  #166

lennyd wrote:
poland is a disgrace they will never be a wealthy nation like us this country

lennyd - read the title of the thread - do you mean Scotland ?


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Seanus
  Dec 29, 07, 15:11  #167

Scotland is wealthy by most standards, we have some great industries. I agree with szkotja24, please recognise that the thread is about Scotland as we are a separate (not independent) country


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Grzegorz_
  Dec 29, 07, 15:13  #168

Seanus wrote:
but being better educated, more creative and working harder doesn't guarantee wealth.


Of course It doesn't guarantee anything, It's true only in 90% of cases...


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Seanus
  Dec 29, 07, 15:17  #169

What is ur interpretation of wealthy Greg?


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Grzegorz_
  Dec 29, 07, 15:29  #170

The most obvious one...


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Seanus
  Dec 29, 07, 15:37  #171

Wealth is a relative thing, it depends on ur classification systeminter alia. People who do PhD's (doctorates) are often not taken on by companies out of fear or a perception that they lack 'real world' experience. They often don't get a chance to be 'wealthy'. Also, let's assume that wealth is ur goal. Talking about it bores people and will lose u friends so u r just satisfying urself and like-minded wealth-obsessed individuals by talking about it. I know many people who went to Uni, dropped out but are now very wealthy. It is widely known that graduates often do jobs not befitting of their education and unrelated. Becoming wealthy is often an art, perfected by a few and not 90% or anything like it.


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lesser
Edited by: lesser  Dec 29, 07, 15:55  #172

Seanus wrote:
The problem lies with the Polish govt in increasing salaries


I'm quite sure that if we reject possibility of eventual military invasions, the only way how Poland could not overtake so called "west" is that our bribed politicians would move more towards western standards of economic mindset. Government do this, goverment do that.


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PolskaDoll
  Dec 29, 07, 16:02  #173

Seanus wrote:
People who do PhD's (doctorates) are often not taken on by companies out of fear or a perception that they lack 'real world' experience


This is most certainly true. Noticable in adverts for high paid jobs where it says "experience is a must".

IT is a good job to get into in Scotland as there is a lacking of IT skilled people.



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Grzegorz_
  Dec 29, 07, 16:42  #174

Seanus wrote:
I know many people


But we are talking about countries, not individuals.


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Seanus
  Dec 29, 07, 16:45  #175

Exactly, technikum qualified people can fill in some of those gaps. They possess the required IT skills. I see Greg hasn't written back, hehehe. Obviously, he's brewing up sth through research, taking it very seriously


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noimmigration
Edited by: noimmigration  Dec 29, 07, 16:45  #176

PolskaDoll wrote:
IT is a good job to get into in Scotland as there is a lacking of IT skilled people.


there are thousands of it graduates leaving schools, colleges and universities every year. Those positions will be filled by scots.

The real shortage of skills are medical profiles, such as dentistry, doctors and nurses

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PolskaDoll
  Dec 29, 07, 16:48  #177

noimmigration wrote:
there are thousands of it graduates leaving schools, colleges and universities every year. Those positions will be filled by scots.


If that were true...these posts wouldn't be needing to be filled at all. As with these ones...

noimmigration wrote:

The real shortage of skills are medical profiles, such as dentistry, doctors and nurses


When will you get the point that there are not enough Scottish people to do these jobs. Hence the title of the thread!



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isthatu
  Dec 29, 07, 16:54  #178

lennyd wrote:
this country is packed with pollocks

its a very straight forward operation to remove them and you will find your breathing improves no end.......oh,sorry,you meant Poles,right,thought you meant Britain had caught a bad E N T condition....
lesser wrote:
so called "west"

er,look on a map,we are west........no so called about it.


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lesser
Edited by: lesser  Dec 29, 07, 17:20  #179

isthatu wrote:
er,look on a map,we are west........no so called about it.


Who are "we"?


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Seanus
  Dec 29, 07, 17:22  #180

Yes Greg, but individuals live in countries in u hadn't already noticed. Not space capsules


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