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Cheap Labour in Poland - why is there a problem with unemployment in PL?


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ShelleyS
  Apr 7, 08, 09:46  #1

Im looking on the forum today and noticing that Poland is or has the potential for a flooding of its labour market by cheap labour from countries such as India and China, it kinda makes me think why is there a problem with unemployment for Polish people, when it appears that there are actually jobs in Poland in construction and IT.

I find it quite strange that the government would allow people from None EU countries to come and work, Im not saying that all the jobs should be for Polish people, but I would say it makes more sense to look after your own. Or are the government happy to ignore the situation and plug the gap with foreign labour, whilst Polish nationals are forced to leave Poland because of the level of salaries.

Also we have had skilled workers coming over from Poland to the UK so its not like Poland doesn't produce skilled workers or is there a lack of skilled workers because of the mass exodus from Poland.

Im just curious to know what the immigration laws are like and how easy it for None EU nationals it is to get employment and what Polish people feel about it.

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Bartolome
  Apr 7, 08, 12:44  #2

Skilled and experienced workers are offered jobs which are almost or even better paid than their previous jobs in the UK or Ireland.
I guess most Poles would like to go back to Poland and work there, but the work costs are high in Poland (half of your wages go to taxes, social insurance). I can give you an example - my mom who is an accountant - in the UK she would be probably an owner of a house with swimming pool and a brand new BMW (if she worked for a similar company here, as the one she works in Poland for), but in my country she has to work overtime without being properly paid, she hasn't had any pay rise since several years, while her bosses change cars every year. Poor wages and such attitude deter many Poles from returning.

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mafketis
  Apr 7, 08, 14:25  #3

First, don't believe any employment/unemployment figures by the Polish government. Unlike most countries that jigger the figures to make unemployment seem less a problem than it is, the figures in Poland are jiggered to make it seem like a bigger problem than it is.

Underemployment is a bigger problem. The Polish educational system (despite all the criticism it gets, some of which is very deserved) turns out more educated people than the employment market can comfortably absorb, many of whom look for greener pastures elsewhere.

I'd say the former Soviet Union is a better bet for labor than people from China and India. The former will integrate/assimilate more quickly and thoroughly than the latter. I'd also say if Poland wants to encourage Asian immigration it should go with Vietnam which has the advantage of long-standing ties and a proven history of being able to adapt to Polish conditions, language and culture.

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RockyMason
  Apr 7, 08, 16:08  #4

If international corporates develop a stronghold in poland I guarantee they will export your jobs! It's just in the best interest of business to get things at a cheaper price and there are people in asia who will work for 50 cents an hour. I am not sure if currently jobs are being lost but if the corporations remain strong and continue to expand they will be.

It's happening in the USA right now. TONS of people graduate with good degrees from great universities yet they they have to settle for minimum wage because there r just too many college grads. At least houses are cheap in poland! Where i live in cali u won't be able to buy a house until u are upper management or in a very lucrative business.

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szarlotka
  Apr 7, 08, 16:10  #5

RockyMason:
At least houses are cheap in poland!


Are you ever out of date. Maybe out in the sticks but in the cities you are so wrong

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RockyMason
  Apr 7, 08, 18:30  #6

fusedworld.com/Real_Estate/Europe/Poland/Dolnoslaskie/Wroclaw/Apartmen t_for_sale_in_Wroclaw_Poland_25658.html

fusedworld.com/Real_Estate/Europe/Poland/Mazowieckie/Warsaw/Apartment_ for_sale_in_Warsaw_Poland_21048.html

fusedworld.com/Real_Estate/Europe/Poland/Mazowieckie/Warsaw/Apartments _for_sale_in_Warsaw_Poland_14033.html

That is cheap in my opinion the same thing would be well over 400,000 USD where i live.

fusedworld.com/Real_Estate/Europe/Poland/Mazowieckie/Warsaw/Duplexes_f or_sale_in_Warsaw_Poland_13924.html

That's a steal! I wish houses were that cheap where i live

fusedworld.com/Real_Estate/Europe/Poland/Mazowieckie/Warsaw/House_for_ sale_in_Warsaw_Poland_12047.html

That's pretty pricey but still not too bad of a buy. U wouldn't get half of the features for that price where i live.

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Kowalski
  Apr 7, 08, 18:52  #7

300 000 apartment my schoolmate friend bought a year ago. He's paying off his credit somwhere around 2000 a month. That is affordable if you have that kind of money handy to buy it for cash maybe. Year ago he was paying 1600/month, now 2000 and it is going to be more next year experts say. He's making 5-6000 a month now but what if he's laid off? Planty of jobs to make your 2000 but that would kill him and make his bank happy.
Unemployment figures are fake as we have shadow economy where many don't reveal their income nor employment and remain registered unemployed to keep health insurance benefits.

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