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stelingo
Edited by: stelingo  Nov 19, 07, 16:18  #1

I can't find the conjugation of the verb wspi±ć się in any of my grammar books. I am taking a guess that it is conjugated like the verb spi±ć, which according to my dictionary is conjugated: zepnę, zepniesz etc. So is wspi±ć się conjugated wzepnę się, wzepniesz się etc?

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JustysiaS
Edited by: JustysiaS  Nov 19, 07, 16:27  #2

Wspi±ć się:

ja wespnę się
ty wespniesz się
on/ona/ono wespnie się

my wespniemy się
wy wespniecie się
oni/one wespn± się

the conjugation of 'wspinać' will be different (different czas).

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stelingo
  Nov 19, 07, 17:05  #3

Thank you. And how is it conjugated in the past tense? And is spi±ć conjugated in a similar way?

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JustysiaS
  Nov 19, 07, 17:14  #4

Quoting: stelingo
how is it conjugated in the past tense?


ja wspinałem(masc)się/wspinałam(fem) się
ty wspinałe¶(masc)się/wspinała¶(fem) się
on wspinał się/ona wspinała się/ono wspinało się

my wspinali¶my się
wy wspinali¶cie się
oni wspinali się/one wspinały się

Quoting: stelingo
is spi±ć conjugated in a similar way


nope:

wspi±ć - wespnę - wespniesz
spi±ć - zepnę - zepniesz

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stelingo
  Nov 21, 07, 11:30  #5

Thank you very much for taking the time to post thye conjugation for me. I have the book '301 Polish verbs' but neither of these verbs are in there, despite being very irregular.

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JustysiaS
  Nov 21, 07, 12:41  #6

Quoting: stelingo
Thank you very much for taking the time to post thye conjugation for me. I have the book '301 Polish verbs' but neither of these verbs are in there, despite being very irregular.


thats quite alright, gave my brain cells a bit of a workout ;)

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gosiaczek
  Nov 21, 07, 14:42  #7

Quoting: stelingo
Wspi±ć się:

ja wespnę się
ty wespniesz się
on/ona/ono wespnie się

my wespniemy się
wy wespniecie się
oni/one wespn± się

the conjugation of 'wspinać' will be different (different czas).


wespnę, wespniesz etc is a future tense. in present it would be:

wspinam się
wspinasz się
wspina się

wspinamy się
wspinacie się
wspinaj± się

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falkin
Edited by: falkin  Nov 21, 07, 16:11  #8

Quoting: JustysiaS

Wspi±ć się:

ja wespnę się
ty wespniesz się
on/ona/ono wespnie się

my wespniemy się
wy wespniecie się
oni/one wespn± się

the conjugation of 'wspinać' will be different (different czas).



Hey, is it really in Polish?:) I guess the word"wspinac sie" in this case is related to climbing up a mountain, isn't it?
If so, the right conjugation in present tense is:

Ja wspinam się
Ty wspinasz się
On wspina się

My wspinamy się
Wy wspinacie się
Oni wspinaj± się

When it comes to future tense :

Ja będę się wspinał
Ty będziesz się wspinać
Ono będzie się wspinać

My będziemy się wspinać
Wy będziecie się wspinać
Oni będ± się wspinać

Thank you for your attention:)

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JustysiaS
  Nov 21, 07, 16:27  #9

Quoting: gosiaczek
wespnę, wespniesz etc is a future tense. in present it would be:


i thought he asked about the future tense, cos he compared it to another verb which he conjugated using the future tense as well.

Quoting: falkin
Hey, is it really in Polish


of course it is. tryb orzekaj±cy, czas przyszły, okres dokonany. your conjugation is in tryb niedokonany (eg. you will be climbing but we don't know if you will climb up).

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falkin
  Nov 21, 07, 16:43  #10

Wspi±ć się:

ja wespnę się
ty wespniesz się
on/ona/ono wespnie się

my wespniemy się
wy wespniecie się
oni/one wespn± się

I beg to differ again, please forgive me. Future tense for "wspinać się" never be "wespnę się". This construction sounds very strange and I don't think would ever be used in proper Polish. I'm sure there is no such form "wespnę się" in any tense. "wespnę się' is not in Polish. The right form is będę się wspinał and that's that:)

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falkin
Edited by: falkin  Nov 21, 07, 16:46  #11

Conjugation in tryb dokonany is not applicable to many Polish verbs. And "wspinać się" is one of them.

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JustysiaS
  Nov 21, 07, 16:50  #12

Witamy w PORADNI JĘZYKOWEJ

"Istnieje także oczywi¶cie (jak najbardziej poprawna) forma czasu przyszłego od czasownika dokonanego wspi±ć się i jest ni± wła¶nie wespnę się. ..."

http://www.poradniajezykowa.us.edu.pl/baza_archiwum.php?POZYCJA=980&AK CJA=&TEMAT=Wszystkie&NZP=&WYRAZ=

it will be the 8th 'odmiana' in the questions asked on that site. come back and say i am sorry JustysiaS

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falkin
  Nov 21, 07, 17:08  #13

I'm coming back to say I'm sorry. You were right.

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JustysiaS
  Nov 21, 07, 17:10  #14

Quoting: falkin
I'm coming back to say I'm sorry. You were right.


Thank you. I am an educated Polish woman after all. ;)

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falkin
  Nov 21, 07, 17:12  #15

But would you be so sure about that without checking it out lady?:)

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JustysiaS
  Nov 21, 07, 17:17  #16

Of course i would be, my Polish grammar is brilliant, always was. Am a wzorowy uczeń you know. I googled it for you cos you obviously didnt believe me. Tut tut.

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Edited by: falkin  Nov 21, 07, 17:22  #17

Nobody's perfect:) And nobody's brilliant at Polish Grammar...:)

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JustysiaS
  Nov 21, 07, 17:34  #18

Quoting: falkin
And nobody's brilliant at Polish Grammar


i hve always been very confident about my abilities, however perfect im not. of course not. ive just got this special talent of knowing when something sounds right, and when it doesnt. and usually i happen to be right ;).

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falkin
  Nov 21, 07, 17:46  #19

Quoting: JustysiaS
ive just got this special talent of knowing when something sounds right, and when it doesnt


hm....most of ordinary Poles do:) There are some verb forms that are seldom used or never for their rarity. Undoubtedly wespnę się is one of them:) Ok I should check it out before posting. I guess that special form of wespnę się can be found rahter in the usfeul links you have googled and it really was emphasized there as a curosity regarding that form:)

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JustysiaS
  Nov 21, 07, 17:53  #20

Quoting: falkin
....most of ordinary Poles do


i know many that havent got a clue about that.... unfortunately.

Quoting: falkin
and it really was emphasized there as a curosity regarding that form


the lady said its perfectly correct to use that. to be honest i wouldnt be surprised to hear wzepne instead! i suppose most poles would say wejdę pod górę or something like that just to avoid making a mistake... ;)

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Edited by: falkin  Nov 21, 07, 18:04  #21

Naprawdę "wespnę się" brzmi dziwacznie, chociaż rzeczywi¶cie jest form± jak najbardziej prawidłow±. No musisz to przyznać. Pozdrawiam:)

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JustysiaS
  Nov 22, 07, 06:56  #22

W sumie tak... Jezyk Polski jest awesome ha ha. Next time you wanna question my grammar, google it first yeah ;).

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belial
  Nov 22, 07, 09:42  #23

Since you have googled it before posting there is no need for me to do the same.

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JustysiaS
  Nov 22, 07, 09:44  #24

i havent googled anything until my conjugation had been questioned. plus i wasnt talking to you so why do you answer?

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belial
  Nov 22, 07, 10:04  #25

regards:)

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Michal
  Nov 22, 07, 12:54  #26

Wspi±ć sie is indeed, wespnę się, wespniesz się, wespnij się, spi±ł się, wspięł się, wspięli się, wspi±wszy się.

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Edited by: JustysiaS  Nov 22, 07, 13:45  #27

oh thank you Michal, now we can sleep peacefully as you have okayed the translation. not sure about what the random order of forms and tenses represents, but you must be right. i am even ready to believe that
Quoting: Michal
spi±ł się, wspięł się
are correct, but that is just because its you who posted these.

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Michal
  Nov 22, 07, 15:03  #28

I am very glad!

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Krzysztof
  Nov 22, 07, 17:40  #29

Quoting: JustysiaS
most poles would say wejdę pod górę or something like that just to avoid making a mistake... ;)


agreed
I'd maybe use "je¶li wespniesz się na palce, zobaczysz ...", but it can be avoided as well by using a simple "je¶li staniesz na palcach, ..."

for me the main reason is phonetic - all those future tense forms with the combination of -spn- consonants sound odd, even for Polish, and they don't have a very smooth pronounciation, that's why people may avoid these forms.

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JustysiaS
  Nov 22, 07, 17:51  #30

yeah i think that Krzysztof, these tenses might be more useful to poets or song writers, but i would be surprised to hear someone use them in common everyday language...

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