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The 'conscription' into Russian Army?


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celinski
  Nov 28, 07, 13:31  #1

What do folk's know about 'conscription' into Russian Army? Krasnoyarsk was a Russian 'prisoner camp' also a big Russian Army Training Center nearby. What does anyone know?


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plk123
  Nov 28, 07, 14:13  #2

yeah. during ww2 many poles served in the russian army.. many skipped it as soon as they could and joined up with Gen. Anders though and fought under the union jack.

look into katyn to find out more.


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isthatu
  Nov 29, 07, 07:01  #3

Very few Poles(in the scale of things at that time) were conscripted into the Soviet army,RKKA (there hadnt been a "Russian "army for 20odd years by then), those that were soon found themselves in the Polish Communist Army,the LWP (though only a tiny minority were communists) as ,to be honest,the "Russians" in the RKKA didnt trust the Poles to fight alongside them,in the same units. And probably for good reasons if you think about it.


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celinski
  Nov 29, 07, 07:35  #4

isthatu,

This question was asked of my and truthfully I was not aware of any. I do find it interesting as I was thinking myself about the trust issue. Carol


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isthatu
  Nov 30, 07, 07:54  #5

Thats right Carol, Can you imagine being a Russian Officer with some armed Poles under you,you certainly could expect a bullet in the back in your first battle. (although Im sure this would have been the case even with "russian" conscripts...) Many of the "Poles"who served in the RKKA would not have considered themselves Polish ,claiming to be Soviet citizens, Marshel Rossakovsky would be the most obvious,a briliant General,born and bred in Warsaw,half Polish half Russian but in the end Soviet through and through(even if he had spent time in a Gulag)
As you will know there were two waves of Polish forces formed from either men captured during the Soviet invasions or later during the Soviet "liberations"
The first wave,as stated was the forces who Joined with Anders in the middle east and fought alongside the British 8th army(then later 5th American army as well) throught North Africa and into Italy.
The second wave was made up at first of either those Polish soldiers who had been unfit to travel to Iran to join Anders( for obvious reasons due to Soviet "hospitality") and a tiny minority of Polish communists. This force Started out under the leader ship of Berling as an infantry division,1st Tadeausz kosieszko,but grew into two full Armies by the fall of Berlin. Although to some eyes tarred with being "communist" the Polish forces in the East faught heroicly for the liberation of their homeland equipped with mostly second rate Soviet handme downs to begin with (or interestingly a lot of British lend lease uniforms and even little tanks(bren gun carriers) which the Soviets thought were unsuitably rubbish for the east front). Many of the troops were those from "liberated territory pressed into service,though many voluntered as it was the "only party in town",so to speak,but also many members were former home army soldiers forced to serve,unlike AK officers who were shot out of hand.


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z_darius
  Nov 30, 07, 08:23  #6

Quoting: isthatu
many members were former home army soldiers forced to serve,unlike AK officers who were shot out of hand.

Isn't AK and Home Army the same?


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isthatu
  Nov 30, 07, 09:18  #7

yes it is AK = Armia Krajowa or Home Army .


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