Countries in Europe where abortion is allowed/not allowed?

more fool you

yes I have been pregnant, I miscarried

As a man who is no longer allowed to comment, I just like to repost a few comments made by caring sensitive women, firstly Ola.

"changed my mind, for ppl like you abortion should be allowed always and everywhere, please dont make children as patetic and brainless like you."

Gosh what a pleasant person you are Ola, who understanding.

And then for the wonderful ever correct Amaythst,

"....And I will not condemn a women for her actions... " And yet had posted earlier.

" see you waited 20 weeks the second time, that's just irrisponsible!!! as for your mental health you made your choice, live with it there is nothing you can do to change what you did. ".

So both Ola and Amathyst have become the Jade Goodies and Ex-Miss Britians, of this Big Brother forum.

Congratulations no doubt your humanity and forgiving natures will shine through for other posters.

I dont have to forgive anything because she did nothing to me. She hurt herself with her irresponsibe life and dont tell me that she was young blah blah because Im only one year older than she when she had 2nd abortion. You are 18 you are grown person and have to take resposibility. As I said Im all for abortion, this is sometimes the only choice, but removing embryon that is 20 weeks old only to force boyfriend to marriage and having excuse "I was a poor student" is nothing less than shocking.

As for being pleasant at least I didnt call anyone stupid cow even if she deserves it.

stupid cow is hardly an insult.

However, attacking a woman who has freely volunteered personel information is in my humble insulting. I see little female solidarity here, which is sad.

since when did you become her mother ola?

you know, theres alot of people who love to turn back time, change the clocks
do things they wished they had.

or simply live their lives differently now. this choose your own path is the same as
the white picket fence theory! it dont happen, we dont play the lottery and win
at every game we play, same goes for life.

if I walked my neighborhood, I am sure I would find many a skeltons in many
a closets. but Im not looking for that, nor would I condem someone for making
wrong choices, as this could be me someday saying this.

not bringing up the subject of religion again, but one of the reasons I didnt
go to church, as well as the others I stated in other posts was when I went
to get my daughter baptised catholic. the priest says, well we have to see you
participating, and coming for a while, and I asked Why? well because your
circumstances of having (my oldest) out of wedlock, we have to work on forgive
ness?

I was sick, and wanted to spit in his eye, forgiveness? from him?
I went home and spoke with my mom who was still alive , told her what
he said, and you know what her comment was (coming from a devout catholic)

Piss on him!

my point, Man-Women condem. not the good
man upstairs. The good book is about interpreting what you feel.

and if you feel it, you'll do right by him.

I really don't like to judge people..but I can't understand why birth control wasn't used
after the first abortion. I can understand one mistake and the pain of making such a drastic decision but to be so irresponsible to get pregnant so soon afterwards is something I can't understand. I also can't understand why wait so long to have an
abortion unless this person thought that if she waited long enough the father would
give in and change his mind about having a child...and to marry this guy after all you
went though is beyond me. I hope you have a happy marriage and don't go though life
regretting the decisions you made.

I was pregnant when I got married 37 yrs ago..I was 20 yrs old and my hubby was 23.
I have a lot of friends/family that have had similiar situations and they have stood by
their daughters and helped raise the babies. I'm sorry that you didn't have family that
you could turn to for help and moral support.

So its ok doing it for reason she did? Why not wait till 9th month then? Female solidarity has nothing to do with it. The main reason Im so against that it was 20th week, it would be more acceptable for me if it was before 12th when embryon has no nerve system and feels no pain although her reasons are not acceptable. This is no way you introduce boyfriend to marry or be with you.

My understanding of insult is also completely different.

True, thats why she feels she was wrong.

"it would be more acceptable for me if it was before 12th "Ola

But it wasn't was it. Nor ( i hope for you) have you been in such a situation.

"He who is without sin cast the first stone".

well .her other options is to pull a loraina bobbit so that all the decision making
wasnt all her fault, come on ladies.

we as humans are not perfect.

she;s providing it as a learning tool so other young, immature girls/women wont
fall into the same situation she did. its a no brainer this was her intentions.

Hello Pat19 hope you and yours are well

she dont even agree with what she did, she is liveing with regrets, so keep on
her like she is not even human, like giles said, throwing stones.

ola, what good can you prove by repremanding her in her pain?

if someone was to approach me- tell me I am wrong, keep at me, of course
my defence would go up. more then likely that person would leave out
with a black eye.

why do they form support groups?

Another sign is that she came in here, she didnt say ha ha, I had abortion
and I just wanted to tell you that, I feel so good about myself and I want
all to know how happy I am with my husband who the father and is also
irresponsible.

NO, she came in with Pain still heavy. so drop some more bombs Ladies.

I dont see anything wrong with either posts, I dont condemn a women for having an abortion, I also think it is irresponsible to wait till 20 weeks to have an abortion and yes she should get on with her life and quit ******** about her damn mistakes...

Thanks Pat and there was me thinking I was alone in trying to explain that said Guest was brave, only Ola (muppet) and Amathyst (Miss.Center of her Universe), both reprimanded me. Infact I'm not even aloud to comment because I'm a man.
Its good too have some sensible people on this site.

cas, always. you know, I am a bit sensitive at times, but I do have strong mind.
good today, all simmered down. no storms

Giles=idiot

Were all never going to agree, most important is putting out the food for
thought.

I read some posts, and think wow. yeah, I could understand, but then other posts
I say, no fricken way...

today I feel pretty good. so if we cant agree. heck wit it.

lets all go to the pub!! lol

Ola and A. come on.

Me and cas went at it long time ago. hes actually a really nice guy. as you two are
if everyone smiles and shakes hands I could build my picket fence!!!!

so shake hands!!! arghhhhhhh lol

trying to lighten the mood, I have to go to work.

hugs

Ola, that's an evil thing to say, but since you are only 24 I will disregard it. I am glad that you are so mature and set up in life and have a wonderful family, hopefully you will never have the face the decisions I did.

The main reason I did not tell my family as my dad is very religious and I did not what to cause him a heart attack by telling him I was pregnant. He already had heart problems. I have already explained that I think abortion is wrong whether it's at 6 weeks, 12 weeks or 20 weeks. I was young and immature, I was only just 23. The reason that birth control was not used is because after the first abortion because I was still very mixed uo and depressed after the first one, and longing for a baby. If you have ever lost a baby you will know the maternal feelings it leaves, the feeling of emptiness. I LONGED for a baby.

I don;t believe the baby felt pain as I had a general anasthetic and don't remmeber any of it. It was actually 19 weeks, not 20 as a D&E was used.


Personally I think my b/f was more to blame. This happened many years ago and I am now older and married. We have been to counselling and have worked through our problems. We have a marriage full of ups and downs, like most marriages.

I don't need your forgiveness or respect. I know I made the wrong decision but I have since forgiven myself since I feel God has forgiven me, as has my mum (whom I reluctantly 7 years later). My dad does not know - I don't want to cause him pain by telling him. I was trying to please everyone else and that's why I never had the baby. If I was pleasing myself I would have had the baby as I wanted it so much.

I have said enough on the subject, thank you Pat and Giles for your kind words.

Have a good day at work P, I think Giles should keep his vile comments about me and Ola to himself, this is in fact a thread about abortion, I made my comments and he didnt like them so he had to judge me by them....oh well, cant please all the people all of the time..

Ola and Amathyst.

Go on girls have a giggle.
Mabye you should re read your own comments and then think about who's the idiot.

Not so much idiots, as mean spirited, selfish people which you clearly are. I wouldn't employ either of you to clean my houses or flats.

Amathyst you say you are in the fashion industry are you a buyer for New Look or mabye Wallis?

Loosing arguments?

Giles. its hard to be in the middle. my thoughts are pro-life. but I was at that
door with my daughter. so ive seen both sides.

its very touchy subject. just gonna leave it at that and get my arse to work!

No not really Ola, there never was an arguement. The point was about you and co, being mean spirited too someone who spoke honestly.
I have no argument to lose.

My point is simple if people, give their hard luck and bad decisions for all to see and learn from then that is a brave thing to do. Those Like yourself little Ola, who condemn and attack just put people off putting up such details.

I did and do not want to argue, merely to point out how nasty you were being. So don't try and be clever. Notice I'm being restrained in the manner in which I engage you.

Attack lol, who accuse me of attack?

In polish I would say widzisz w czyimś oku drzazgę ale w swoim belki nie dostrzegasz .

This is very controversial subject and there are lots women with strong pro-abortion and anti-abortion views.That is why people get agitated , shout....


I am pobably like Patrycja in general pro-life but......there are different situation, circumstances....I think that guess is a good person but as you she said she tried to please everyone and didn't decide for a baby even she wanted it. She just needed someone who would support her in this moment.

Ola, ignore him, he's not worth arguing with.

its a really tough subject Iwona, I know my mom was very scared for me.

now I am going to tell people about my mom, dont anyone dis her, because
she is in heaven, but this story is true, much like guest. so please read and
only know this is to show that this happens now, and even before we were
all taught the ways of life.

my sister is my half sister, 1950 was a very impressionable time.
my mom fell head over heels for this man who claimed his age was 23 and he was
much older and on his way to getting married, she didnt have a clue to this.

so he talked her into things, she became pregnant, 1950 is a bad time to be
pregnant with the father no where in site.

so my moms friend, suggested her going to tennesee to have abortion.
people at work were relentless, second looks, making her look like she was
some kind of floosey, loose and no smarts. MY mom was just like any one of them
who would have fallen the same and had the same happen, only she became
unlucky (those Cackly B*$%HES ) so she told him I am pregnant, he said , I
am getting married (Devastation) , she said she cried for a long time. her
friend who helped her, they went to tennesee. when she got there, she said
I cant do this. I cant do it at all. she stayed overnight and took the first train
back home, my grampa who was waiting with gramma at the train station, picked
her up. spoke in Polish to her, we will take care together.

my mom all along thought no one wanted this. but even though she had help
she still went thru that moment of despair, what will I do, what will people
think , what will my parents do. the decisions she had to make when abortion
wasnt even safe for a dog let alone a human, but she came back with dignity.

she still faced guilt at work, and had to put up with staring, and when she
wanted child support, he took off with his new wife, who has a child -listen to this
same age as my sister! two months apart, my sister being older!

he moved away to tennesee, payed on my sister for one year back in 1951
and that was it, never a card, never seen her, never wanted to know her.
and claims hes a good Christian and when I tried to arrange a meeting with him
because all those questions always bothered my sister, does he look like me, do
we have same eyes, nose? etc. the sister (her sister from him) told me, my father
is a good christian man, we had heard that he had another child from some
other woman ( Other woman!! she has a name! ) and this conversation goes
no further then this phone call, I dont want to cause family pain.

Pain?? No worse then the pain my mom went thru for 53 years!
she made 20-25 cents a hour back then. she supported my grandparents on
what little she made, plus the scraps of govt money social security.
it was hard, she chose to take this on, and she made it, but she had times of
depression, she went thru rough times. so anyway, this story was meant
as a Learning tool, anyone disrespects my mom , trust me, she will haunt your
arse! shes told me that many times.

Moral of this story, he was a deadbeat dad! still to this day he will not
even say that he is her father. good christian my arse!

so, anyway, my other point along with this, is that this can happen to anyone
and when faced with these life changing events, what our actions will be, no one
can tell, we can feel very strongly about it, and never ever want to face this type
of situation ourselfs, but it can happen. we as women are very strong , compassionate
lovers, who once we find that man who makes us melt like butter, cant help but
to fall under that spell of he will always be here.

(pinch) big reality check! stressing again, Quote_ you never really know someone
even when you know someone. People change.. you know those famous words
we all have repeated " but but you said?

ok, Im done being inspirational for one night.
my fluffy pillow is calling. "sniff sniff" I will miss you guyz!!!

you will all be waking soon and I will be snoring!! lol