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ogorek
  Mar 9, 07, 17:38  #181

Quoting: m33073
So would you rather be a Frenchman who gave up the capital of their country in 6 weeks?

The first man to commit suicide from the Warsaw Stalin Tower was French - he thought it a more honorable place to die than the Eiffel Tower


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ArturSzastak
  Mar 9, 07, 17:46  #182

Quoting: ogorek
The first man to commit suicide from the Warsaw Stalin Tower was French - he thought it a more honorable place to die than the Eiffel Tower



Any truth to this or are you just trash talking??


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ogorek
  Mar 9, 07, 18:35  #183

Quoting: ArturSzastak
Any truth to this or are you just trash talking??

Palace of Culture and Science in Warsaw


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Riff
  Mar 11, 07, 15:18  #184

Quoting: peterweg
However your claim that the US supplied 98% of Soviets supplies is laughable. Stopping the Germans advance to Moscow and at Stalingrad were entire Soviet doings

Wrong; The Russians had some fine planes and some very fast tanks. However the planes and tanks had no fuel or ammo. The Russians no food. That last strike where the Russian Tanks and planes Blitzed the Germans at Stalingrade was made possible by the USA. The US supplied the parts for the broken down tanks and planes. The US railway supplied food,clothing, ammo, fuel. Even though the Germans had no supplies either did the Russians. Without the US turning the tide with Supplies the Germans would have taken Stalingrad. I guess you think Russian tanks and planes run without fuel and ammo. Read up about how fast the USA built the Railroad in Northern Russia. The US supplied 98% of the supplies to the Russians at their Victory at Stalingrad.

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Riff
  Mar 11, 07, 15:36  #185

Quoting: ogorek
that's right - the 'Nazi Youth'

A fellow told me the other day how surprised he was when he walked up to the dead german soldiers and saw Blonde 16 year old girls in uniform. Toward the end, there were quite a few dying. I don't think there are any numbers.

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ogorek
  Mar 11, 07, 20:38  #186

Quoting: Riff
saw Blonde 16 year old girls in uniform.


quite possibly - I think they recruited girls as young as 14 - the Deutsches Jungvolk even younger


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sapphire
Edited by: sapphire  Mar 14, 07, 09:15  #187

Quoting: ArturSzastak
What is "Cantonese"???


What countries? China and the Asian countries??


Cantonese is a language spoken in China (there are several languages, but this is one of the main ones)
China

This is according to the actual numbers of people who speak various languages.. (ie) given the huge numbers of Cantonese speaking people in China, although it isnt spoken in other countries it still makes it one of most widely spoken languages (in terms of sheer numbers of people) I cant be bothered to look up the actual statistics, so Im sure some stat freak will prove me wrong..


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peterweg
  Mar 14, 07, 11:47  #188

Quoting: Riff

Quoting: peterweg
However your claim that the US supplied 98% of Soviets supplies is laughable. Stopping the Germans advance to Moscow and at Stalingrad were entire Soviet doings

Wrong; The Russians had some fine planes and some very fast tanks. However the planes and tanks had no fuel or ammo. The Russians no food. That last strike where the Russian Tanks and planes Blitzed the Germans at Stalingrade was made possible by the USA. The US supplied the parts for the broken down tanks and planes. The US railway supplied food,clothing, ammo, fuel. Even though the Germans had no supplies either did the Russians. Without the US turning the tide with Supplies the Germans would have taken Stalingrad. I guess you think Russian tanks and planes run without fuel and ammo. Read up about how fast the USA built the Railroad in Northern Russia. The US supplied 98% of the supplies to the Russians at their Victory at Stalingrad.



Thats impossible. How exactly did the US get supplies to Russia? They had to be shipped from US to Uk, then on by the British navy to Archangel.

It is physically impossible for the amount of supplies you claim to have been shipped, Britain barely get enough through to supply its army one tenth the size of Russia's. Britain did supply as much as it could but the figures were tiny compaired to the USSR's needs.


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Matyjasz
  Mar 14, 07, 17:21  #189

Quoting: Riff
The US supplied 98% of the supplies to the Russians at their Victory at Stalingrad.


98%? What are your sources?


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Matyjasz
  Mar 14, 07, 17:29  #190

Quoting: Riff
There would have been a D-day somewhere else. Thats a real reach. Where there is a will there is a way. Without Britain the war still could have been won.



The question is, would there still be a will after Britain’s defeat?


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ogorek
  Mar 14, 07, 19:56  #191

Quoting: peterweg
Thats impossible. How exactly did the US get supplies to Russia?

A total of $50.1 billion (equivalent to nearly $700 billion at 2007 prices) worth of supplies were shipped: $31.4 billion to Britain, $11.3 billion to the Soviet Union, $3.2 billion to France and $1.6 billion to China. The USSR was highly dependent on trains, yet the desperate need to produce weapons meant that only about 92 locomotives were produced in the USSR during the entire war. In this context, the supply of 1,981 US locomotives can be better understood. Likewise, the Soviet air force was almost completely dependent on US supplies of very high octane aviation fuel. Although most Red Army tank units were equipped with Soviet-built tanks, their logistical support was provided by hundreds of thousands of high-quality US-made trucks. Indeed by 1945 nearly two-thirds of the truck strength of the Red Army was US-built. Trucks such as the Dodge ¾ ton and Studebaker 2.5 ton, were easily the best trucks available in their class on either side on the Eastern Front. US supplies of telephone cable, aluminium, and canned rations were also critical.


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ogorek
  Mar 14, 07, 20:00  #192

The list below is the amount of war material shipped to the Soviet Union through the US Lend-Lease program from its beginning until 30 September 1945.

Aircraft 14,795
Tanks 7,056
Jeeps 51,503
Trucks 375,883
Motorcycles 35,170
Tractors 8,071
Guns 8,218
Machine guns 131,633
Explosives 345,735 tons
Building equipment valued $10,910,000
Railroad freight cars 11,155
Locomotives 1,981
Cargo ships 90
Submarine hunters 105
Torpedo boats 197
Ship engines 7,784
Food supplies 4,478,000 tons
Machines and equipment $1,078,965,000
Non-ferrous metals 802,000 tons
Petroleum products 2,670,000 tons
Chemicals 842,000 tons
Cotton 106,893,000 tons
Leather 49,860 tons
Tires 3,786,000
Army boots 15,417,001 pairs


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ogorek
  Mar 14, 07, 20:06  #193

Quoting: Matyjasz
The question is, would there still be a will after Britain’s defeat?

If Britain had been defeated, the US would have gone round the back door, joined the Russians making a combined thrust from the East - and of course the soft under belly (Italy) having first defeated Rommel in North Africa


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Patrycja19
  Mar 15, 07, 00:40  #194

Quoting: ogorek
US Lend-Lease program from its beginning until 30 September 1945.


do we have any ideas who was running this program during that time? I would
like to know.


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LoneStranger
  Mar 15, 07, 01:00  #195

Quoting: Patrycja19
Patrycja19

ever faced any serious insult for being a Polish dear one?

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peterweg
Edited by: peterweg  Mar 15, 07, 11:55  #196

Trucks, yes. Boots yes, Locomotives, yes.

But for the other stuff, what %age of the total Soviet needs/production? Did it make teh difference between winning or loosing, or were the 20Million Russia dead a better contribution.?

WW2 cost Britain £300Billion, $1200billion in 1945 money.

Your 50 => 700Bn calculation is wrong. Its more like $250Bn. Britain paid for it BTW, it wasn't a gift.


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ogorek
  Mar 15, 07, 16:01  #197

Quoting: peterweg
the 20Million Russia dead a better contribution.?

I heard 11 million war dead and the rest victims of Stalin's own work/starvation etc
Quoting: peterweg
Your 50 => 700Bn calculation

I borrowed this from another source - some historian.

My own opinion would be that - without the help of the US, Germany would have won the war. The UK would not have been strong enough to take on Hitler - it was bankrupt in 1944. Because of this there wouldn't have been a second front in the west and Germany would have sent it's full strength to defeat Russia. Like I said before, Poland defeated Russia in 1920.


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ArturSzastak
  Mar 15, 07, 19:33  #198

Quoting: Riff
The US railway supplied food,clothing, ammo, fuel.



Since when is there a US railway in Russia???


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ArturSzastak
  Mar 15, 07, 19:39  #199

Quoting: ogorek

Palace of Culture and Science in Warsaw



Oh my God. It is true. Thats funny stuff. I suddenly love French people.


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peterweg
  Mar 16, 07, 15:57  #200

Quoting: ogorek
Because of this there wouldn't have been a second front in the west and Germany would have sent it's full strength to defeat Russia. Like I said before, Poland defeated Russia in 1920.



The Axis powers had 90% of their strength against the Soviet Union. By the time the Allies invaded in 1944 the Axis were in full retreat. Do you think having an extra 10% would have allowed Germany to defeat the Soviet Union? Seems highly unlikely.

Yes, Poland defeated the Russians in 1920. However the army's were ten times bigger in 1943.


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bleudetroit [Guest]
  Mar 17, 07, 00:05  #201

Quoting: Benjamin Spychaj
Hello. My name is Benjamin Spychaj. I recently mentioned I am Polish to my friends and they constantly make jokes about my people. Every single day I have to hear about how Polish cavalry attacked German tanks with swords, how Polish have small penises, how "Polacks" are stupid and cannot do anything right. Does anyone have good ways to counter these kinds of jokes? Sometimes they really piss me off and I am tempted to go Polack and throw them out the window.


Nonsense. Poland lasted against the best army in the world at the time--Nazi Germany--for 4 weeks. And 2 weeks into the German attack, the USSR attacked from behind. Poland lost a 2-front war against Germany and the country that had at the time the largest military in the world.

CONTRAST that to France,which lasted a little over one month in a one-front invasion. And the French and British (and Belgium and Holland) had MORE tanks, planes and troops than Germany had.

Or contrast Poland's fate to Yugolsovia and Greece. They both only lasted 14 days against Germany (and Hungary).

The Polish resistance was active during the entire war against the Nazis. Contrast that with France (where more French HELPED Hitler and volunteered to fight for the SS than joined the resistance). The Polish underground was way more active than anyother European country (except maybe Russia). MOST European non-German allied countries, including Holland, Belgium, Denmark and even Switzerland, fielded HUGE amounts of volunteers for Hitler.

Every country in WW2 had calvary, including the Germans. The Russians used calvary well into the 1950s.

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bleudetroit [Guest]
  Mar 17, 07, 00:38  #202

Quoting: peterweg
The Axis powers had 90% of their strength against the Soviet Union. By the time the Allies invaded in 1944 the Axis were in full retreat. Do you think having an extra 10% would have allowed Germany to defeat the Soviet Union? Seems highly unlikely.


To be forever debated...

Without the Western air campagin agianst Germany, all of the German airforce would have been against Russia. 90% of the Luftwaffe fought against the west and the bombing campaign...and without the bombing, German industry would have been producing even more tanks and planes than it already was.

Had the forces arrayed in Normandy (6 first rate SS Panzer divisons, about 900 plus Panter and Tiger tanks) been in the East, along with a few thousand extra fighter planes, a stalemate might have been possible...especially if Lend Lease by America would not have been giving the Soviets tens of thousands of trucks and thousands of Sherman tanks.

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Maxxx Payne
Edited by: Maxxx Payne  Mar 17, 07, 04:25  #203

Quoting: peterweg

Thats impossible. How exactly did the US get supplies to Russia? They had to be shipped from US to Uk, then on by the British navy to Archangel.



they did ! In northern theatre of war the Murmansk port was important target for German Gebirgsjäger stationed in Lapland. About a quarter of lend lease came through Murmansk.
About half came from Vladivostok, abot one quarter from Persia and the rest from Black Sea.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Silver_Fox


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Maxxx Payne
  Mar 17, 07, 04:28  #204

Quoting: ogorek
Yleinen kielitiede eli lingvistiikka on kiinnostunut ihmiskielen luonteesta???



You speak finnish ??


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Bartolome
  Mar 17, 07, 11:13  #205

Quoting: ArturSzastak
Since when is there a US railway in Russia???

Never heard about adjusting of locomotives' wheels on e.g. Polish-Russian border ?


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Patrycja19
  Mar 17, 07, 11:52  #206

Quoting: LoneStranger
ever faced any serious insult for being a Polish dear one?


I want names lol , yes, that was pretty unclear wasnt it.

oh well, maybe I wrote that when I was over tired. but really no excuses for me
i guess

names names give me names!! lol


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Patrycja19
  Mar 17, 07, 12:01  #207

Quoting: LoneStranger
ever faced any serious insult for being a Polish dear one?


not serious, not threatened if that is what you ask.


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Patrycja19
  Mar 17, 07, 12:01  #208

Quoting: Patrycja19


Quoting: LoneStranger
ever faced any serious insult for being a Polish dear one?


I want names lol , yes, that was pretty unclear wasnt it.

oh well, maybe I wrote that when I was over tired. but really no excuses for me
i guess

names names give me names!! lol


I need to seriously get with the program.. lol


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truebrit
  Mar 17, 07, 14:28  #209

Quoting: ogorek
If Britain had been defeated, the US would have gone round the back door, joined the Russians making a combined thrust from the East - and of course the soft under belly (Italy) having first defeated Rommel in North Africa


The British defeated Rommel in North Africa.All this 'what if' stuff is pointless speculation.

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Matyjasz
  Mar 19, 07, 07:04  #210

Quoting: ogorek
If Britain had been defeated, the US would have gone round the back door, joined the Russians making a combined thrust from the East - and of course the soft under belly (Italy) having first defeated Rommel in North Africa



How do you know that they wouldn't accept Germany's reign in Europe?


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