England and Poland are friends

Come on! Now. You called us the "civilized" Slavs. You put your pre WWII empire on the line, to save our asses from Hitler. We both are in Iraq together, with the USA. (I think) English chicks are hot, known a few. Red's (my) favorite color, don't know about yours.

English flight attendant: Oh she was hot for my s***! And I was hot for her cute little self too. It was my first flight, so I was a bit nervous, but her sweet face and thin smile put me to sleep the whole 2 hours and when I woke up... pssst, sir, we are at our arrival destination.... I even bummed a light off of her when I got through.


You drew the picture of a Polak on a horse and called it "The Noble Slav". Polish goverment in exile, Czech governemnt, (French) government... LONDON, LONDON, LONDON. Moscow (so it is said) and Washington wouldn't host our Polish asses, but England sure did.

The Union Jack: your flag looks sharp, mate. Best one I've seen. Plus you don't have 10 million stars

So I am done, it is said...

I admire you attempt at festive peace and love to all, but I can’t agree that The British Empire risked its existence to save Poland. In fact both Britain and France just flexed some muscles in Nazi Germany’s direction and watched while Poland was overrun- certainly France has to shoulder the greater blame in that episode, but Britain is ultimately guilty of collusion.

In truth the whole war was about Old Empires, and Poland found its self caught between them and was trampled underneath the stampede.

That’s not to distract from the heroic efforts of the peoples of Europe, Britain and America and the Commonwealth that ultimately resulted in the destruction of the Nazi war machine, I only wish that given the time passed since the end of that war we could talk more honestly about Britain’s flawed policy in the years and days leading to the invasion of Poland.

Let's get our facts right. England was a NAVAL power above all else, and it's a bit difficult to sail ships across Europe.

The Nazi war-machine grew at a prodigious pace, and whilst the alarm-bells may have sounded, very few ever thought that Hitler would incite and then wage war on Europe, as he did.

So soon after WW1, the thought of German aggression after such a defeat, was not taken as seriously as it should have been.

When England declared war on Germany, the UK was not terribly well-equipped to actually go to battle, and an immediate foray into Eastern Europe would have been a complete military disaster.

Before going to war, it pays to assess the likely outcome, and simply running around with sticks and stones is not a very good battle plan.

Once England got going, and with allied help, it started to go the right way, but the fate of Poland had been sealed by that time.

I can’t argue with your points, in fact there was a strong body of political opinion that felt that Britain could have her Naval empire and Germany could have her land based empire.

However it can’t be claimed that Britain was unaware of the risks to Poland when she made promises to retaliate if Poland faced aggression from Germany [no condition had been made as regards the Soviets, but the Soviets only commenced invading Poland after Germany had succeeding in eliminating the Polish military threat to the extent that the Soviets would have an easy ride of it].

There’s no doubt that once the invasion of Poland commenced Britain was totally unable to fulfil it’s diplomatic obligations to Poland, but that is not the issue- the issue is why did Britain make obligations to Poland even though it knew it could not fulfil those obligations.

The fact of the matter was that Britain’s influence in the world had been in decline for at least 30 years before the invasion of Poland- we ‘weren’t all that’ and hadn’t been for a long while, and had it not been for the intervention of the 1st war in Europe we were on course to become a trading Empire rather than an empire built on military strength. We didn’t sacrifice our empire to save Poland, because we weren’t in a position to save our empire or Poland.

What a thread man, grew up and bleble ble ble about history. Focus on the future but not yourself if you really care.

I can only agree, however the phrase ‘you won’t know where you are going if you don’t know where you are coming from’ has validity I think

It's obvious SW, nobody will care about something that dont understand etc

That is untrue as throughout history humanity has sought to understand and define what it finds incomprehensible, and with general success