English vs. Polish hostility

This is true. The government couldn't care less.

In Scotland and Northern Ireland you can register with SNIPEF as a plumber. Unsure about England and Wales.

It's just a shame that if someone employs a dodgy gas-fitter,
they're most likely not the ones who have to take the consequences.
For personal use, I only accept the best.

Yeah but they are thinking about the money.



Clever Donkey.

Me too. I'd rather pay the extra and know I have a case if my house blows up :)

Hey, ajgraham.

re: Puzzler....I read this article also

- Do you read the Sun frequently? Your kinda paper? :)

re: and it was about a report that first appeared in the Polish express newspaper in Britain!

- Not only about it! The article contains hateful xenophobic Polonophobic messages.

re: The newspaper was giving its readers advise on how to get through the loop holes and claim benefits while still working etc.

- The above is evidence of what the Sun scribbling is about - what messages it contains. In reality, the Polish article doesn't contain such 'advise' as ajgraham is speaking of.

re: What is so psychopathic about reporting on immigrants abusing the benefits system?

- There's nothing psychopathic about reporting on immigrants abusing the benefits system (unless, of course, the author reports on certain groups only and purposely keeps quiet about others). What's so psychopathic about the Sun article in question is that the author misrepresents the Polish article (the Polish article advises on how to claim benefits legally and honestly) and presents the false and highly inflammatory message that huge numbers of Poles abuse the 'benefits system.' Actually, the message appears to be that of all the national groups in Britain only the Poles abuse ther system (the author purposely doesn't mention other national or racial groups). A lying hate-sprteading psychopaths - that's who the author and his or her editor are. Shame on Brtitish politicians who speak to scum like that.

re: even the Brits aren't daft enough to believe all immigrants are doing it!

- Well, if the hacks mention only the Poles (who are surely amongst those who abuse the benefits system least of all), then what will the Brits think about the Poles?

Now, I was going to present yesterday a detailed analysis of the Sun piece, but lack of time prevented me from doing so. I'll present it soon, won't let this go, along with the analysis of the Polish artcle.

It wont matter what the papers write. If I know the polish mentality, and I certainly do, the vast majority of them will vindicate their views with their bad behaviour. Your lot dont need any help to look bad,you can do it very well for yourselves.My wife is polish-she agrees with me totally and is very embarassed by some of the things she is witnessing here.

Hi sofi , the sophistication and intelligence of your reply says much about your character. Now, engage me on a more intellectual level or be a good girl and run along to bed, you'll need to be up early to milk the cows. Kiss Kiss Dobranoc

a point doesn't have to be sophisticated to be valid

Ouch! I don't want to get embroiled in this conversation. But it sure looks pretty nasty from here. In the words of Austin Powers, "Ow Behave!"

Nigel...speaking of sophistication and intelligence....do you remember saying


addition:
taken from this thread:
http://www.polishforums.com/polish_people_inherently_jealous-4_8951_0. html

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not really, it's actually very out of character as I'm sure my other posts indicate. It's just that it gets boring after a while to read posts by
people who are still on PF saying things like

Nothing like a man with the guts to speak the truth!

Tch... tch... tch... James. Quotes are sacrosanct, mate. You never alter them. It's like an unwritten code of forum ethics or some. Anyways, you're making a point, which is that you can't stand Nigel. He... he...

As Nigel said!

James, you're good, yo! You're the eye of the tiger. Rising up to the challenge of the rivals...

Nigel sez: Your lot dont need any help to look bad,you can do it very well for yourselves.

- Namely how do we allegedly do that? Be specific, please.

re: My wife is polish-she agrees with me totally and is very embarassed by some of the things she is witnessing here

- Well, if it's true that your wife is Polish, then a Polonophobe is married to a Polonophobe. Or perhaps your is a sado-masochistic union, folks?

Now what specific 'things' having to do with Polish people are you and your better part oh so embarassed about?

I hope my questions aren't overly sophisticated for you? (Your comments on Sofi's posts certainly justify my doubts in this respect.)
:)

James123 comments on Nigel's post: 'Nothing like a man with the guts to speak the truth!'

- What specific truth would that be, pal? Are you smart enough to lay it out?
:)

Hm, it's fascinating - this hatred and cowardice, and stupidity, of all those various nigels and jameses haunting this board.

Maybe it's the same guy - just one fool whose foolishness is too vast for one, so it spontaneously multiplies itself into clones?
:)

Man, puzzler. It's 3 'o freaking clock in the morning where I'm at. And your post still made me laugh. You're crack me up, man! :)

re: And your post still made me laugh

- Houyhnhnm, I'm glad to have given you a good early morning whine.
:)

Give it to them Puzz! They just stick their head out from under a rock, utter some spiteful words, and quickly hide again...

Eurola, absolutely. Each of these creatures seems to possess the intellect and courage of a worm. And when they get added up together, the effect is truly monstruous.
:)

Interesting that I am placed in the same boat as Nigel by Puzzler the Great ! My post clearly ridicules Nigel and am lost as to why we are deemed to be the same person.

This is clearly the question James must be asking if you bothered to read his posts clearly!

hi sofi, i remember everything i say and i never say anything i dont mean or haven't considered.Its a good host-good guest thing. We are being good hosts but your lot are not abiding by the rules.Untaxed uninsured cars, unregistered cars,numerous cases of drink driving and unpaid speeding tickets,abuse of the benefit system and many more. I am certainly not against poles or anyone else on account of their origin.I have very many good polish friends who all concurr that there is large portion of their population who do not behave to an acceptable standard. There are very many people many from Poland(in this case)who do do things the fair and dignified way .They also do their best to integrate with those around them and dont disrepect their host who has helped them.Anyone who defends the bad behaviour of their countrymen(includes all countries before you call me a nationalist) or has even the slightest admiration for it is indeed at the same low social level as they are.There are many Polish people in my town for whom I have arranged schooling for their children, helped to arrange accommodation, set up gas.electric.water.telephone.bankand council tax accounts, Helped instigate court action to recover unpaid housing deposit returns and the odd bit of translation of documentation and contracts which they wont sign unless they understand.I have done this willingly and not received a penny in return. I do the decent thing for decent people and only require that they do not thank me by disrespecting the help they were given.
I am a very amiable and honest person so I dont see that I have to defend myself.As for my wife and our relationship,its not your business,but she is a very good, honest and caring person who is also very independent and intelligent and does not simply 'follow the herd'. I speak my mind even when its a contentious issue, if anyone disagrees I am more than happy to explain my viewpoint-as long as they are civil and intellectually capable of maintaining a debate without vulgarity. Beware-I fight fire with fire

LET THE BATTLE COMMENCE!!

No need for a battle. I've got no issue to address. I dont believe that there is inherent hostility here against the poles or anyone else. There are always people that make an arse of themselves and everyone of that social group becomes associated with them. Sometimes a lot of them arrive at once.The thing to do then is to distance ones self from them and attack their actions. The British are renowned for lager-lout behaviour in Spain and now in Eastern europe.These are just ******** I will not defend them. The fact that they were born in the same country as me is immaterial, scum is scum and it should be cleared out of the way.
Restricting your social circle to that of your own nationality will always cause you to be associated with some unsavoury individuals. Forget the ghetto, integrate and be yourself(the individual). Then and only then you will advance as a person and benefit from being in another country.You will aso gain the respect of those living near you, but not because you are a pole...... because you are a nice person that they like.
Britain is the most successful example of a multi cultural society in the world. We mainly get along fine but we dont appreciate people who just want to take.If you are not in that category.. welcome to Britain, If you are in it... go home now-we dont want you and nobody else does either.We have enough home grown ******** of our own to sort out already. I think that my view is fair and no reasonable person will have any issue with it.

Some Poles good, some Poles bad. UK Good guys, UK plonkers. Americans. Meeting of cultures, love, lust, heartbreak, unreadable SMS messages, pointy shoes, high cheekbones, confusion, mistrust, Lech premium, Vodka. Overnight property billionaires, overnight property bankrupts. Change, integration, understanding, status quo. Read the Immigration Service website first you idiot. Harmony breaks out.

With apologies to the Reduced Shakespeare Company

excuse me, but I am Scottish. I just don't appreciate your comments!
c'mon any nation has people who do not behave acceptably - but how can you say a 'large portion?'
Do you know enough to make that assumption (?), because I cannot imagine you have any statistical proof to back up this view. I don't even know why you think it is a point to make.

I admit that I resorted to immaturity in my post, unlike what I normally would in a serious conversation. I did so because, having read your other posts, this seemed to me I would be responding in a similar fashion to your own posts (i.e the quote I provided in my post above).

Being British, I can ask you to speak for yourself instead of an entire group which includes myself.
some of the views in this new post are. I still take issue with anyone saying
about any nation.

Well this sounds like it can cover people born in Britain too. Especially abuse of the benefit system. Do you have anything to cite that will make you point relevant - i.e evidence that the Polish people in the UK have a higher proportion of people doing these things you claim they do than our own British people?

szarlotka.Bizarre is the only word that comes to mind at the moment. If you insist that there is a problem here and you look hard enough, you will find something you may not like. Most people haven't got time for conflicts like that and just want a peaceful life.If you or anyone else cannot integrate, it displays a personal defficiency, not one in the country concerned. Maybe you dont want to integrate, maybe you dont like brits-blacks or Indians,maybe you dont like anyone??If you dont , my point is more than proven and you should consider isolating yourself from normal people so as not to depress them. I worked in 18 different countries and found no problems in association with the natives of any of them.Sure I was slagged by a few poles for 'stealing' one of 'their' women and for what winston chuchill did or didnt do long before i was born. Other than low lifes like that all was fine and dandy.As I said though, I will only have a debate with someone who is intellectually capable of presenting a reasonable and informed view without the use of direct insults.Have a nice life mate, it'll be easier if you mix in with your neighbours .

WTF?

The post was intended to express my exasperation, as a long time member of the Forum, at the endless succession of uninformed and baseless posts on most aspects of the topic of Polish people in the UK. Tell me where I insulted you. And I have a very nice life thank you. If you take the time to read any of my previous posts you will understand my views on Poland and her people. As a taster - I have been married to one for twenty five years. Congratulations on having worked in 18 countries - 14 more and you will overtake me.