English vs. Polish hostility

Bizarre is the only thing that comes to mind while reading this post.....Szarlotka is the wrong person to be directing your comments to......go back and read some more posts and become informed before you jump don't someone's throat.

sofi I can only speak for myself and those who have expressed their views around me. Keeping an eye on the news and seeing what those around me gives me the right to comment on the issues concened. There are very many sources of information on the web and in the press that support my view. As for taking exception to.. They can do it for themselves. Its true, they can. No opinion stated in the press will ever be adopted by the reader if it does not concurr with his or her experience (or the experience of a colleague.)If those opinions are not founded then they will be naturally dismissed as sensationalism or spiteful.If they are regarded as spiteful the british public will be prone to defend those concened and thus advance their cause.If you are adamant that all the problems I quote do not exist then time will prove you right- I'm happy to wait.I know I seem like a monster to you but I assure you I'm not and would ask you to think carefully about my words.We all depart from our characters at times, I can aswell but i am not satisfied when I do it.There is a problem at the moment and it's not sensible to watch it get bigger.We need good people to come and stay in this country and bring their skills with them. They need to be a part of our society not part of a subculture. They cannot be allowed to experience either positive or negative discrimination and they must be prepared to abide by the rules that the rest of us do. This is not currently the case and many people are getting frustrated by the innaction of the authorities.
Bad behaviour causes resentment ,The british people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds and many have decided that they are unhappy with whats happening. They have as much right as us to express their views and talk of their experiences.I lived in Poland for many years and I can tell you about it 'worts and all' if you know that expression up there.Best regards Nigel. P.S. I think Scotlands a fantastic place.

You're absolutely right ranj and I thank you for letting me know about my error , I do apologise szarlotka. I am very new to this and mistakes happen. I believed that his post was a reply to mine

Gracefully accepted Nigel.



Thanks Ranj.

It takes inner strength to own up to a fault. Most people tuck their apology into a flood of words and don't make such a clean breast of it like you did. Like your attitude, yo! Respect.

yes szarlotka, I apologise 150% for my error . User ranj pulled me up on it and I thank him for doing so. I am a new user and I'm not the most computer orientated person either. I will in future try to work out to which post the reply refers. I apologise once more and I will be looking with interest at the posts you have referred me to.

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And no need to aplogise further. I can understand your general annoyance at some of the posts around lately.

Hmmmm nobody likes making mistakes but we cant learn from them unless we own up. I mucked it up and did the right thing-thats just normal.

No you don't, that's a little far! I just object to some of your points and expression is all.

There's so much love and understanding on this thread... it's a welcome change! Way to go, Nigel. You've turned the tides.

I do seem to have touched a nerve dont I? Never mind we cant all be flavour of the month. I hope that some of the protestors might actually think about what i actually mean and not just fit it to what they want to say

Hi Nigel. Don't you think that a lorry driver talking about sophistication and intellectual levels sounds a tiny bit funny ?

- I'm dreadfully sorry, johan. I should've read your post more carefully. What an idiotic misunderstanding on my part. Sorry, man. :(

Well, Nigel has apologised to sofi (and rightly so - you should get on your knees before an angel like her, creep), but haven't apologised to us for slamming us. And he hasn't given any evidence to back his Polohophobic remarks. As far as I'm concerned, he's got no guts and no intellect either. A hollow man. Coward. Liar.

Having read all the Posts and spent several minutes creased in laughter (at the banter; not the serious points being made), I've had to remind myself that the Thread origin was that immigrants should adapt to fit in with us and not us to fit them in.

I think it's fair to say that multiculturalism does not work on a large scale. On a small scale it possibly does; as per the China Town's around the Country. Most people enjoy the cultural island around, say, Soho's Gerard St but are happy that it doesn't spread out. We like having Indian, Bangladeshi, Javanese etc restaurants in our towns but, again, they are contained and are somewhere for us, the British, to visit. These examples of multiculturalism are contained and abide by British laws, standards (not sure about Kosher and Hal Hal) and, where appropriate, bye laws.

This is not new, of course, We have absorbed waves of foreigners over the centuries and they are living, mostly un-noticed, in amongst us now. Some groups, such as the Jews can still be identified and mainly by their religious customs. Would anybody now be able to identify a former Lombard or Huguenot (of which that great British engineer I K Brunel was a descendant of)? There seem to be little in the way of records kept at the time of how they were assimilated. Did they change the Nation (I K B aside) in some way? I don't know. I stand to be corrected, but I think we have seen since the end of WW2 a greater proportion of our overall population arrive here than we ever have and still they arrive.

We Brits are largely tolerant people and if a town has, say, a proportion of East European settlers, we are happy for them to set up an Eastern Orthodox Church. The problems arise when a large foreign element sets up its own "ghetto". They would probably argue that "we" force them down that route by being different to them. The point is, though, that it's easier for them not to change and set up their own Community. Hence we have vast tracts of formerly industrial towns and cities that are "little" Indias, Pakistans, Jamaicas (don't forget the West Indians are still in this topic), you name it. The next step in having retained there own cultures and, usually, language is the assertion of their "rights". This is point where friction is created. Do we allow them their "rights" to effectively annex parts of our Country for the themselves or do we say "fit in or ship out"? Many of us have been thinking the latter but have been restrained by the Liberal and Socialist experimenters and appeasers not to express it. The Human Rights legislation has compounded the problem further. The analogy is that the Householder must now treat the Lodger as an equal and with no powers of eviction nor tenancy termination.

The title of the topic is "English vs Polish hostility". The terms English and British are not the same.

So the issue doesn't arise with Scottish people then?
Or was this an opportunity to, pointlessly, make an anti-English remark?

No offence taken it happens to all of us! Now for what I really think about the issue:

Thirty years ago or so there was a boom in building industry in the UK. The Irish came and filled the gaps that the British didn't want to do. They exploited the fact that there was so much work. A large number of them moved into carpentry or bricklaying while the rest worked as labourers, paviours or in excavation. It is a fact that many of them were unskilled, but because they had organized themselves into teams they were able to help each other out. The Irish had had a foothold going back to the days of the navvies in the 1950s and were able to expand and build those ties to secure lucrative work which ultimately made many of them wealthy and paved the way for massive investment in Ireland. They worked extremely hard and looked after their kids' education. They invested in housing and built second homes in Ireland. Some were later instrumental in the growth of the celtic tiger. Their kids have now fought their way up the ladder and to some extent have spoilt the next generation. There is a marked difference between the work ethic and values of their parents and the spoilt nature of their children. What do I mean?

I mean the fact that the Poles are the same, but better educated. They are hungry for success and at the same time humble. Humble enough to do jobs that the new Irish / English generation disregards . These qualities will ultimately ensure their success. We don't have to look far to find Irish multi millionaires that started their careers on building sites and it won't be long before we'll have Poles joining them.

Start a new thread for that.
Then another for the Welsh,
another for the Northern Irish, the Cornish, Manx, Channel Islanders...

Where was the anti - English remark ?

Good post and I would agree with all, except the date of the navvies. I think it's much earlier.

Maybe, it just came across that way. Apologies if unintended.

A colleague of mine, who is now in his 40s, was eight, when his family moved from India to the UK and settled in Southall.
He was telling me about the shop that had been at the end of their road when they first arrived. He then said "of course it's a bloody sari shop now, the trouble with Southall now is there's too many Indians living there, not like when I was a kid, it was a good mix then"

They built the railways in the 1800s, that's where the term navi comes from, it's short for navigator

I worked as a solicitor's clerk in Southall when I was studying law. I really like the place, although I haven't been back for about 15 years.

I pointd out the difference because I really do feel that there is a cultural difference and I would like to think that Scotland is more welcoming ( another forum maybe ) due to differing demographics.
Obviously there are idiots everywhere and Scotland has its fair share.

One example of the differences is that the average ratio of people to sq/km in europe is 116, where I live its 9. So a lot of the "issues" which are "British" just don't apply.
While the rest of the UK are trying to control immigration, the Scottish government are trying to encourage it.

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- Dear johan123, I'd love to share your optimism, but I can't, unfortunately. Simply speaking, it appears to me that the Powers have decided not to let the Poles succeed in the UK, only the thirdworlders. The media hate propaganda is a symptom and evidence of this. The Poles in UK feel this instinctually, and many of them are leaving now, and many more will leave in near future. By the way, I saw a very similar political mechanism in the 1990s Canada, where the political-media elites decided to take in the Asians instead of 'East Europeans.'

There is a person on this thread using my exact words in his/her text.

If you are going to use my words or even paraphrase, it would be nice if you could acknowledge the fact.

The Irish were attacked for years and many took it to heart at first. It's a fact that you'll always be attacked when you are making an impact. It's a sign you are making progress and being noticed.

I know loads of Polish people doing very, very well in England.
And well deserved! They can teach some of our local chavs and 'Wannabe gangsters' a thing or two.
Hard working, honest people in the main.