English vs. Polish hostility

Are you smoking crack tonight, Puzzler? As one who lives in the US and has been to England, I can say without any hesitation that your statement is completely false.....where do you get your info?\

re: Are you smoking crack tonight, Puzzler

- Are you (ahem, politely) judging me by your own example?

re: where do you get your info?

- From living in both countries.

And my perception isn't obscured from smoking crack.
:)

I havent seen any prejudice here

re: I havent seen any prejudice here

- Well, you may e.g. read some of your own posts. But it's still not guaranteed you'll see. Some folks have eyes but just don't see.

Ya ok

re: Ya ok

- Oi, maybe you can see after all?
:)

You haven't seen a Yeti..

Doesn't mean it isnt there.. )

How do you know he's never seen a Yeti? ;)


There's predjudice everywhere, but for puzzler to say it's in the US thousandfold as opposed to England is just ridiculous......it's the UK that complains about Polish people coming over and taking jobs.....it's only natural that Britain, which received the largest influx of migrants in the EU, would exhibit more hostility....in fact, until I came to this forum, I had no idea people were so predjudiced against Poles!

Now had he said the US is much more predjudiced against Mexicans than England, then I would have agreed.....I see predjudice against Mexicans quite frequently, but that stands to reason due to geography.

Hmmm, did it ever cross your mind that maybe it's YOU people have a problem with and not a whole race of people?


Very true......think about it!

"Britain is ruled by corrupt Freemasons & Jews who direct the destruction of the UK economy"

Ahh, Poles were brought to Britain to destroy the economy.

I'm not an economist so maybe the effects of this policy are too subtle for me to see.

re: How do you know he's never seen a Yeti? ;)

- Do you believe you see things such as Yeti, Ranj? :)

re: There's predjudice everywhere

- It follows it's also in the US.

re: but for puzzler to say it's in the US thousandfold as opposed to England is just ridiculous......

- Specifically why? Do you always find statements of fact very funny, or just on occasion, Ranj? Would it have to do with your possible seeing things such as a Yeti?...

re: it's the UK that complains about Polish people coming over and taking jobs.....

- Do you mean the British government makes such complaints, or Brits as a nation? Please, explain what you actually understand by this sweeping generalisation.

re: it's only natural that Britain, which received the largest influx of migrants in the EU, would exhibit more hostility....

- So Britain has exhibited more hostility after all? Once again what, who do you mean by 'Britain'?

re: in fact, until I came to this forum, I had no idea people were so predjudiced against Poles!

- So? To paraphrase Firestorm, does it mean the prejudice doesn't exist?

re: Now had he said the US is much more predjudiced against Mexicans than England, then I would have agreed.....

- The Mexicans and other Latinos have incomparably more rights, respect and prominence in US than the Poles.

re: I see predjudice against Mexicans quite frequently, but that stands to reason due to geography.

- Do you mean prejudice against Mexicans is justified by the science of geography? How? ;)

re: Hmmm, did it ever cross your mind that maybe it's YOU people have a problem with and not a whole race of people?

- And what specific problem would I have? Please explain. Aren't you engaging in something many Americans engage frequently, i.e. blaming the victim? And is it I who make sweeping negative generalisations about whole groups of people, or you?

re: Very true......think about it!

- Why should I think about it? Shouldn't rather, say, those high on crack attempt to do that (if still able to)?
:)

No, but apparently Firestorm believes in them....he's the one that said just because you can't see it, does not mean it's not there....:)


The US I think falls under the category of "everywhere"


Are you actually serious when you say this?


Well let's have a look on this forum.....I believe the people who complain most about Poles are those from Scotland, Ireland and most definitely England....


Oh excuse me, England!


Where in the statement that I made do I say that predjudice does not exist?


As you always say Puzzly, "PROVE IT" :)


It's not justified ever in my opinion, but the US has more Mexicans coming here because of the location, just as the UK has more Polish people coming there since their initiation into the EU, as opposed to coming to US.


You said it yourself, you are a "victim". Why is that? Don't know if you realize it or not, but we are responsible for our own happiness in life......you can choose to play the victim and complain, or you can do sth with your life and make yourself happy.....:)


Hmmmm, I would say it's you:)


Exactly! Like I said, think about it;)

False..

The visible minorities haven't been harassed (to the same degree anyway) in the UK for some time now..

In Poland...? Well.... lets leave that for the moment..

ooh this is fun.. think I'll get some popcorn and sit back and enjoy the show..

1. We dont have a free market.. (Or a free world for that matter)

2. No they shouldnt

3. Think before you post

Merci!

Some dont like Poles due to xenophobia, racism, tribalism

Others dont like the Poles due to the (perceived) economic fallout

Yet others have issues with Poles as they find that despite being immigrants themselves some seem to try and impose Polish norms wrt to Race and Racial hierarchy on their new Host Country.

You do that.. :)

Probably not in London or SE.. (and maybe in some of the larger cities)..

About half of the Black people in the UK "come" from the West Indies.. Are they from the "3rd world"?

Are Africans/Asians/Arabs etc etc born in the UK from the "3rd World"

Scots, Welsh and Irish are in the UK and NOT English. Can they not handle the competition.. ? (p.s. The last two PMs were both born in Scotland and the current one is Scottish FCS...)

Do not make the mistake of attributing their idiocy to their race, just as I will by not attributing yours to your "race".



The Poles and the Brits have a shared mindset wrt to Humour and Irony. But on the whole they have less in common with the Brits and most ex-colonial/commonwealth countries.

This is completely false. Polish people are very well accepted in the U.S.

OK a tester here, Im from the UK and know absolutly no "Polak jokes" ,how many from the USA can say the same?
(and surely 80% of the caribean outside the resortwalls is 3rd world,no disrespect just economic fact innit?)

I can, I can (waves hands wildly)! The jokes I normally hear are blonde jokes, and I still couldn't tell you any, as I am one who is not good at remembering jokes.......but as for hearing "Pollak Jokes", I can honestly say I have not heard any since I was a child, and that's been many moons ago;) I can tell you that most of the ethnic/racial jokes I have ever heard are interchangeable.....one group is always substituted for another.....it's not just Poles.....

lol ranj, Im half scottish half irish,living in england with an english acent,I hear paddy and jock jokes all the time. Maybe my sources are a little old,books from the 90s and just generel banter from US sit coms etc ,mind you Polish plumbers have become a punch line to many a joke here in the UK but normally at the expense of brits in that self depricating british style of humour.


I dont know if the comedy show "Goodness Gracious Me" ever got to the states,maybe pbs?, but the "Going for an English" sketch is cracking, a bunch of Indian mates going out to an "English" resturant in India and ordering the blandest food and mangling english names like james :):)

Not according to puzzler because he lived here and seen it all

He must have a vast knowledge of the US or a big chip on his shoulder

Will have to look it up.....I love a good comedy and humour!

My guess is it's the latter! :)

Hes just looking for another argument

He thrives on it!

But, who can say what the Puzz experienced for himself here? I witness many ignorant people in NJ that have comments about someone being PL if sth is done backwards, but I also hear similar things (depending on scenario) about other minorities, so I really can't say from my experiences that "polonophobia" is running wild around here. Depending on when he was here, he could've very well experienced some sort of issue.

Nowadays, the tension seems to be more focused in the UK due to the influx of PL and dwindling jobs. I can see it there rather than in the US because we don't have a problem with the PL working. They've proven to be skilled, hard workers.

not to defend the attitudes at all but the morans who judge a nation/race whatever,over here in the uk probably wouldnt be able to distinguish a Pole from a dutchman....the problem is an attitude to "eastern europeans" rather than just Poles. Now of course that sucks but im just trying to illustrate the mental abilities of the types of people with a "problem".... I dont think they,the morans, would know the first thing about Poles or Poland to have a problem with,they would tend to be the type of insular nimby's(not in my back yard) that would have a problem with people from a different county or district of the UK moving to "their"area...