English vs. Polish hostility

My argument exactly, Z. Puzz said it's a thousandfold worse in the US than in the UK....I said that most likely it was his issue and the people he had come across that had sth against HIM and not an entire race......

The same could be said for Americans with the same attitude.

It is an issue in the UK, but from my sheltered little corner of the country, it is not a very big issue.
There are Polish workers over here. "So what?" is what I hear most people say.

It is more of an issue in towns with large numbers of immigrants (Poles included) and with larger groups of settled communities recently descended from immigrants. There the problem is more one of ghettoisation and the unwillingness of people of all backgrounds to form a cohesive community.

What f---ing Planet are you living on sunshine???

Freemasons? Jews?

I thought it was the Rotary club and Zoroastrians.

Ranj, you wrote: 'The US I think falls under the category of "everywhere"' - Does it follow you admit there's prejudice towards Poles in the US?

Yes, I'm actually serious when I'm asking why you regard as 'ridiculous' my statement that Polonophobia in the US is thousandfold worse than in UK. So are you able to answer this?

re: Where in the statement that I made do I say that predjudice does not exist?

- Where do I say you said that 'prejudice does not exist'? Aren't you twisting my statement? - In my statement I used the expression 'the prejudice,' meaning the prejudice against Poles in the US. I didn't mention prejudice in the vague general sense that you seem to mean. So does the prejudice against Poles exist in the US, or not, Ranj?

re: "PROVE IT" [that Latinos have incomparably more rights, respect and prominence in US than the Poles - P.]

- Oh boy. For example, they are incomparably more numerous and prominent in American politics than Poles. American voters seem to be more willing to choose a Latino as their representative than a Pole. They and their countries of origin are represented incomparably more postively in the American media than Poles and Poland. Their history, culture and surnames aren't ridiculed, e.g. in 'ethnic' slurs. In numerous instances they, not the Poles, get certain (good) jobs. The attitude of an average American is thus far more respectful and positive towards a Latino than a Pole. I've had hundreds of experiences in this respect, in both US and Canada.

re: the US has more Mexicans coming here because of the location, just as the UK has more Polish people coming there

- That's the kind of 'thinking' that is typical of many Americans in regard to the issue. I've met (nasty) examples of it also on the internet, e.g. on the discussion site of The Scotsman, where participants from America compare - hatefully - Poles coming to work in UK to Mexicans sneaking into the US. Here you come - that's the category some (quite numerous) Americans classify us to. (I don't mean any disrespect to Mexicans here; I'm just talking about the American negative attitude towards them and us.) Did it ever occur to you and some of your compatriots, Ranj, that Poles coming to work in UK differ from Mexicans coming to US in that they don't sneak, but come legally...?

re: You said it yourself, you are a "victim".

- What is the 'it' I allegedly said myself? So am I a victim? Why?

re: Don't know if you realize it or not, but we are responsible for our own happiness in life......you can choose to play the victim and complain, or you can do sth with your life and make yourself happy.....:)

- And that's also the kind of delusional, divorced from political-economic reality, self-complacent, arrogant (and mortally boring) 'thinking' often encountered in America and Canada. - And it appears to me, Ranj, that by preaching to me condescendingly, as above, for a delusional reason, you're making a great fool of yourself. :)

re: I said that most likely it was his issue and the people he had come across that had sth against HIM and not an entire race......

- Well, perhaps you've got some sound evidence enabling you to babble as above. Do you? If so, what's the evidence, Ranj?
:)

Does the US have approximately:

14% Hispanic population
3% Polish population

Somebody correct me if these figures are wildly inaccurate.

You would expect the Latin population, based on sheer numbers, to be more prominent.

Actually Janek, America has no official language which is why we can't demand that immigrants have a certain level of English before they receive permanent status or visas (which many Americans would love to have changed, but it goes against the principles of what the country was founded on). There is an English language requirement for citizenship, but it's a (painfully) low level.

So you see, we have no official first language so we can't have a second one.

re: The visible minorities haven't been harassed (to the same degree anyway) in the UK for some time now..

- 'Visible minorities'? What the devil is that? Does it follow there are also invisible minorities? Which do you belong to, ahem, sage?

re: In Poland...? Well.... lets leave that for the moment..

- How about the harassment of Poles by your 'visible minorities'? Let's talk about it right now. For instance, how about 'Lord' Philips's slandering the Polish guest workers in one of the rags in UK?

re: Do not make the mistake of attributing their idiocy to their race, just as I will by not attributing yours to your "race"

- Do you mean you will make the mistake of attributing their idiocy to their race, and you will make it by not attributing my idiocy to my 'race'? Can you explain this profound thought of yours, oh sage?

So according to you I possess some idiocy? Please enlighten me in this matter.

Another racist-hypocrite, with his yap full of pseudo-human-rights slogans about 'visible minorities,' 'harassment', and the like?

By the way, isn't it interesting that scores of racists are active and even have well-paid jobs in the 'human rights' field?
:)

re: You would expect the Latin population, based on sheer numbers, to be more prominent

- Do you mean that the prominence of a population depends on its number alone?

Not on number alone. There are other factors. A long-established population would be expected to have either assimilated entirely into the general population, or at least to have found its feet economically. Sometimes, cultural factors either by the general population or by the minority groups, may hold back or even increase the rate of this development.

But there is a large difference in numbers. When a 'community' reaches a certain size, political parties or institutions find they need to 'reach out' to these communities...

re Nowadays, the tension seems to be more focused in the UK due to the influx of PL and dwindling jobs

- In reality, there's a much bigger 'influx' of non-Poles to UK, than Poles. It's enough to have a walk in any Brit city to see this. What dwindlng jobs? The (low-paid, low-status)jobs the Poles take are so numerous there's an acute shortage of labour for them. Folks often work 'long shifts' (minimum ca 12 hours) for this reason.

re: When a 'community' reaches a certain size, political parties or institutions find they need to 'reach out' to these communities...

- Well, there are Polish communities in America that are of a very considerable size, and yet no political parties or institutions 'reach out' to them strongly enough so that a Pole can have real prominence in them.

The institutional Polonophobia in America is epic. Take, for instance, the issue of visas for the Poles.

In response to your last long response specifically directed to me: What's wrong Puzzly, did I hit a nerve? ;)

You truly make me smile! Have a fantastic weekend! :)

I have little knowledge of the situation in America.
However, if half the population votes, then half of the Latin 15% of the population is worth grabbing if you're trying to get elected.
A few speeches in Spanish, a couple of policies that supposedly appeal to them.
A 3% of the population group won't be singled out as a specific concern.

In the UK, therre are plenty of jobs that need filling.
Not everyone is prepared to take these jobs.
People come in to do them.
Some people like to play the victim.

Why have the English been singled out in the title of this thread?
What about Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish, Irish, other European nations with an influx of Polish migrants?

If anyone doesn't know the differences between terms such as English, British, the UK, I can explain!

But, really, the difference between England and America as regards the attitude towards the Poles is that the English do not feel contempt towards us, but have respect for us (even when they complain about our coming to England). And then always - that's been my experience - whenever anybody complains about us, immediately another person or several people start defending us.

Yes, the English treat us like human beings. God bless them for that.

From what I hear, the Irish treat us very good too. God bless them!

You could understand the situation in Ireland being difficult (which don't I believe it is)
because that is a country that for a long time until recently, only ever experienced emigration.

re: You truly make me smile! Have a fantastic weekend!

- Does this mean you don't discuss any longer? Unable to defend your statements?
Yep, you definitely have made a fool of yourself, Ranj.

re: emigration

- The Poles aren't immigrants (nor emigrants). They are predominantly guest workers. This means the majority of them plan to return to Poland. The 'Polish immigration' scare has been spread by the media propagandists in order to divert British attention from the real, mostly Third World, immigraton to Britain. It appears the media establishment is in favour of this immigraton and fools the Brit public about it. The Poles are the scapegoats.

re: Some people like to play the victim.

- Namely who?

If you migrate, you are a migrant.

Many species of bird migrate twice a year.
Migration does not mean settlement.

Immigrate - to migrate into a place
Emigrate - to migrate out of a place

Guest worker: I believe this is a term used in some European countries.
I didn't think the term has any official usage in the UK.

No, this means I've had about 3 hrs sleep in the past 48 hours, am tired, and am just bored with it.....


I already have....just don't have the patience to explain them to you, as it's like talking to a brick wall......


Bwahahahaha......not only do you make me smile, you make me laugh! Goodnight puzzly, I'm off to bed!

Never met anyone who finds being a victim easier than thinking and doing positive?

re: You could understand the situation in Ireland being difficult

- Why would it be 'difficult'? Because of Poles?

Ranj, you are a liar.

Stop being pathetic. What is your problem?

If a country has little or no experience of immigration,
it might not be a suprise if the indigenous population have a problem
with people different to themselves appearing on the scene.

re: Stop being pathetic

- Why would I be 'pathetic'? Why are you so rude? I just asked you if you meant the Poles. What, are you scared to say yes or no? If they are a problem, then you perhaps can explan why, can't you? You know what you're talkng about, have clarity of thought, don't you?

re If you migrate, you are a migrant [etc.]

- All right, maybe, but why all this explanation? :)

Polish people have been depicted by the media in UK as an immigration problem. That's a fact.

No. It would not have been the fault of the Poles in Ireland if the Irish had found their presence particularly troublesome.
I assume you haven't read any of my posts in other threads.
Maybe I shouldn't have expected you to have done so.