EU vs Russia war - who would win?

No,genetically they are slavic.Leave it Filios,better to be discussed in another thread.

**** the Macedonians. Greeks should have assimilated them.

Pardon. I would defend position of our Macedonian brothers and sisters here

Ancient Macedonians were Slavs.

With all due respect it is Greeks who are related with Slavs via interbred of native Balkan Slavic population and newcomers form Near East and North Africa. With time Greeks were extracted as unique ethos, city states were created and era of Slavic slavery had began. After Greeks, Romans had appeared on horizon, Teutons and so on. You know, there are even suggestions that Greeks were originally Slavic but just under Semitic cultural influence separated from Slavs.

But, this way or another Greeks and Serbs learned to respect each others thru time and we should continue coexistence in that dirrection and, Greeks should transfer such a friendly feelings on other Slavs, too. Mutual respect is considered.

Acutally wasn't it the Macedonians that ruled Greece, remember Alexander the Great.

Alexander the Great wasn`t Greek. He was under Hellenic cultural influence but not Greek by origin


Macedonians are OK and should stay OK. Cooperation between Greeks and Serbs would survive all chalanges.

Yes, Alexander the Great the Macedonian invaded and conquered Greece. But they invaded at a time of crisis for the poleis of Greece, that is the only way they managed to conquer Greece. Otherwise, my Greek brothers would have kept him out.

**** yourself.
viva macedonia.

I agree, but it is consistently the Serbs who are the initiatiors of arguments and bickering, not vice versa.

Turks should look for their own business far from opened questions among Greeks and Slavs.

macedonia is my father's land.

If you aren`t Turk why you behave as Turk

or maybe your father is Macedonian Turk


just learn to respect Slavic contribution to global civilization and you would found that everything is all right

Ancient Macedonians were not Slavs.They spoke greek,had greek names and greek customs.Alexandros is a greek name,not a slavic.Aleko means keep away and andras means man.So Alexandros is a man who keeps other men away.Phillippos(Alexander's father) had also greek name.Philo means love,ippos is the horse.Fillipos(Philip),the person who loves the horse.All the names in ancient macedonian graves are greek.So why claim they were Slavs?Well,it is a long story.That's why another thread is needed.



This is true.I will analyze that.



Teutons never reached Greece.



This is not true.We need huge room to discuss these items.



Greeks always consider Slavs as brothers,you should know.

guessed well.

Of, course. I didn`t said that they reached Greece. I mentioned them as one of well known hunters on Slavic slaves.


Well, start that thread. Will you?

Good night, for now. Tomorrow...

Macedonia needs to learn to him her nose away from Greek dealings. She should mind her own business.

And Crow, by you're logic, then you are saying Greeks are Slavic as well? My friend, we are all related, all peoples, but you are talking about thousands of years, where much has changed...

Pardon my ignorance, I know the tension between Greeks and Turks, where's the tension between Macedonia and Greece come from....

as i know greeks call somewhere in north part of greece as macedonia. and they don't want macedonians to call their country's name as macedonia. so that fyrom name comes from that subject. former yugoslavian republic of macedonia.
but actually, republika makedonija is the true one, however much greeks disagree :)

isisores thanks for that info,

if that's all that is causing the tension, I must side with the Macedonians.........

i don't know if that is all that causing tension. but i know that greece applied an economical embargo to macedonia in 1995 because of this. also they made macedonia to change their original flag vergina sun.

Surelly it is not true. If you remember, Greeks always had strained relations with all Slavic states along its border. It wasnt always Greeks fault, in most cases Serbs, Bulgars and Russians had attacked first. All in all, Greeks was our historical teachers and may be more, they gave us practically all what we have in our culture (I mean not ancient Greeks, but Middle Aged). Respect on them.

Europe would need to pull in the reources for this one, how about:

Poland: frontline cannon fodder and spies
Germany: engineering/weapons
UK: tactics and planning
France: catering
Italy: spectators
Switzerland: finance

I just reflected about civil wars and their victims and remembered one ancient story. This story was wrote down by Herodoth. Suppose that all ancient Greeks tales are naive but they are always colourful. Sorry me my bad English and lack of words, but I will try to narrate....

Once, the Corrynthian tyrant Periandr sent an ambassador to Melethian tyrant Phrasibul (Ancient Greek tyrants were devided on older and junior), to ask him advice how to arrange the safest and the best form of government, or in other words, to consolidate his rein in Corrynth.
Phrasibul took ambassador with him on the walk outside the city. They had walked on the sowed field. Walking along the cornfield he was asking ambassador about the aim of his visit, while in the same time he was throwing down all ears which were above others. Doing so, they crossed all field from one age to another many times, till the best part of the cornfield was exterminated. After that he let the ambassador to go whithout any answer or advice.
When ambassador returned in Mileth, he complained to Phrasibul that he had sent him to ask an advice from the madman who is damaging his own property; and then he told the story about his meeting with Phrasibul.
But Periandr unerstood this "madman" well and exterminated soon all prominent citizens of the city.
All in all, it is not just a story. There was a whole period in Greek history which was transient from Tsardoms to Democratic republics. It was a period of Great Tyrants. For example, Isahor, when he seized Athens exiled about 700 rich families. Agafoklos exterminated in city Gela, 4000 suspicious citizens. Also, I can remind you about proscription lists during Late Roman Republic in the times of Marius, Cinna, Sulla and Ceaser.

How interesting, and I thank you. So the oldest and wisest are removed allowing a new growth in citizens that are easier to train because they are not set in their ways.

Yet we are brought up to learn from our elders as they have the wisdom of the ages. Many have learned from history, yet if you remove the ones that learned the hard way, the lessons can be lost?

Hemm, almost all Ancient greek tyrants lost their lives and only few had a chance to rein till their death. Though all of them Old Tyrants or Younger where complitly inevitable chain in historic process.

For the most part this proposal looks OK, except for the catering.
What if the French sh.it in their pants yet again? The rest of EU would starve and that might jeopardize the whole operation.

Bulgarians were the most aggressive due to certain mongol influence.Serbs never attacked any greek terittory apart from the period of Stephan Dusan when they actually took lands without fight replacing the collapsing Byzantine rule in region.Many Slavs lived in Greece at that time,so a great serbian kingdom was not so scandalous as it seems in first sight.
True is Greeks and Serbs fought many wars against Turks and the reason they lost was the lack of support from any western country,who instead prefered the good relationships to Ottomans.(see France,Venice).The Russians were under Tatars at the moment unable to help and only the Poles understood the danger and sent troops but the results could not last long.

The Russians attacked Constantinupol when they first appeared as Rus in 9th century.When they became christian after missions of byzantine priests,they stopped the attacks and actually started strong connection to Byzantine with their leaders marrying members of royal family.



Yes,the Russians regarded themselves as the natural heirs of Byzantine and they adopted lots of culture,laws,traditions,economic principles etc.When Constantinupol fell in 1453,russian king claimed to be the successor of byzantine throne and adopted the byzantine flag with the two-head eagle.(one pointing to the West and one to the East).

Not to mention I never heard of a French pirogi.

Yes,the tyrrants were very popular and they managed to crash the power of the oligarchs who governed before them.Oligarchs' strip of power led to democracy which the oligarches always tried to undermine with the help of Spartians.

Not only, remember the battle under Nicopolis, their was a flower of French and Germany chivalry. Do you remember Don Justiniany who fought together with Constantine XII?

I don't think he does. He's not THAT old.