EU vs Russia war - who would win?

Guess what!

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Appreciate it..... Though I already looked at those.... By the growth rate of Poland compared to Netherlands I think we already overtook 6th place...

EU helps China to cripple Dalai Lama's charity

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/03/16/ do1602.xml

Fuc*en disgusting..... Im getting sick of the weakness of the EU..... Say what you want about US policy but we would never let China pressure us into something like this...

Somehow I doubt that!

We know for a fact that for example Mrs. Merkel supports Tibet and even invited the Dalai Lama to visit her in the Chancellory....an honor the chinese government tried to stop with threats and bribery. The were very, very angry and put alot of pressure onto her....German-chinese relationship cooled down considerably (many Germans wish for a boycott of the games too).

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"Dalai Lama Visit Jeopardizes German Business Interests"

Now consider that Mrs. Merkel is not unimportant in the EU and surely not a lone nutter concerning China and Tibet and the opinion that the EU supports China regardless what they do won't hold any water!

And not to forget...wasn't it GB's Brown who visited China shortly before to make nice with these people? The Telegraph has surely no leg to stand on criticizing!

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"Gordon Brown says the relationship between Britain and China is "better than ever". He made the remarks in a written interview with Chinese reporters in London ahead of his visit to China."



Yesterday President Bush took China from the list of the ten worst human rights offenders....why did he do that? It can't be because they became democratic peaceniks over night, right? Please explain!

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"WASHINGTON, March 11 (UPI) -- China, despite its still-dismal human rights record, has been removed from the U.S. worst offender list, the State Department said."

Caving in already?

I never said anything about Germany..... I said EU..... there are several countries that have been great in trying to help the people of Tibet.....



Yes that's horrible but thats not as bad as trying to destroy a charity that helps people....

In saying "EU" you spoke about the whole lot!

EU as an organization...... Also tell Germany since its the ring leader..... do not only talk the talk but walk the walk and help the charity out....

Just take anything tabloids like the telegraph write with a heavy grain of salt, would you....
(And that was an opinion peace, not even news)

I think they have better things to do then make up a story like that..... It's not like there talking about aliens....

Okay...from another source:

"...Appropriate Technology for Tibetans (ApTibet) is a UK charity that helps
Tibetan refugees, mainly in northern India, Nepal and in China. The
charity's principal trustee is the Dalai Lama. In 2000/2001 ApTibet won
75% EC funding for four projects, two of which had been completed as of
2005, the other two being well on the way to completion....

In 2005 the EC suddenly cancelled all four contracts, and then demanded
repayment of all grant moneys paid - some 2M euros. The reason given was
that ApTibet had subcontracted part of the work to another charity,
Appropriate Technology Asia."

1.) It's an UK project

2.) The Telegraph complains 3 years later - about the EU!

3.) Mishandling of the money seemed to be the reason

Interesting, isn't it...

If you read the story, the EC is now asking for that money to be repayed....

Of course they are...if they got money under explicit terms and they do something else with it...it's normal procedure, don't you think?

The Telegraph is a really "link" paper...you should really take anything they write with a huge mountain of salt!

Yes, if they spent it on something else...... But they didn't..... It was because of the agreement that was signed with China....



I understand...... this would be a stupid story to make up because it can be easily verfied....

But who does it? Most just read and believe....
The Telegraph is very anti-european and will just use any story to twist it into a punch against the EU...

It's a good point.... I will do some research on this but I know where it's going to end up...... exactly what the story says....

http://www.indiaenews.com/america/20080316/104481.htm

Has the EU even issued a statement on the crackdown..... I know Polish MP's have threatened to boycott the Olympics

I know what Merkel has said, but sadly the EU still can't come to grips with a common foreign policy or even one foreign minister...so it's an issue for every member for himself.

I agree it's unfortunate.... which brings me back to my statement about the weakness of the EU..... I don't blame Germany for this......

Also just out of curisoty what did Merkel say?????

I have nothing in english right now...

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There are demonstrations in front of chinese embassy and consulates in Berlin and Frankfurt.

ty, I'll take a look but I don't deny that Germany cares..... I was saying the EU is weak, especially as you kindly point out they are unable to agree on such a simple issue..

And here you are totally right....therefore no "crackdown" on f***ing China! :(

Good thing is, that we can always boycott the Olympics so China feels it must show restraint....

No they won't!

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"Britain kow tows to China as athletes are forced to sign no criticism contracts"

"British Olympic chiefs are to force athletes to sign a contract promising not to speak out about China's appalling human rights record – or face being banned from travelling to Beijing."

They want to go at any costs....

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"National disgrace: In a picture from a German archive never before published in Britain, the England football team give Nazi salutes in Berlin in 1938"

Well I don't know about Britain, but Poland is at least considering it...

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/8-3-18/67749.html

An article talking about Poland standing up to China's human rights abuses..... I must say Im proud of the initiative and leading role Poland has shown.

http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/news/index_view.php?id=303135

article stating that Poles, Czechs, and Americans should have access to Russian defense bases if Russia is to have access to the bases in Poland and Czech Republic...

I have to agree, it's only fair........

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jdZbjHcFjlr6c0anD6wKyp408dUw

Nato countries need to stop being stupid and doing everything in their power to anchor Ukraine and Georgia into the west..... It would send a wrong signal to these countries and can have serious consequences for Nato...

I don't think people realise the preparation that goes into an event like the Olympics. China has been putting in a lot of elbow-grease to put things in place. Proving points through boycotting shouldn't be done in this way. It has all the hallmarks of war. I see a number of international issues that have been horribly mismanaged, that could lead to an escalation in international conflicts. As Stephen Hawkings said, "It doesn't have to be like this, all we need to do is keep talking". This is from Keep Talking on the Division Bell album, Pink Floyd

The British nuclear warheads are scattered in the ocean. There are no nuclear weapons on land. They're launched from a submarine

Yes, and with a disproportionate human cost. Why should this be tolorated purely because it is being done in the name of the Olympics? Surely boycotting the events is the most appropriate way of protest.

Bases don't have to be on land ASG. Warplanes don't always fly out of airports, they also take off from sea-based locations (hangars?). U must have seen those videos. Russia has highly developed submarine tech, they could easily target and take out our facilities, they have the intel