EU vs Russia war - who would win?

I have to agree with that...... This type of leverage over China is hard to find.... we should use it while we have it...

Matty, I hope u were joking, why now take China to task? What axes do u have to grind with China? Why weren't they dealt with at the time of committing any harmful acts?

Well first let's see, their support for Sudan that is a battle ground for genocide and the suppression of Tibet...



Why, because China is not some little sh*thole that can be dealt with so easily..... They can cause a lot of damage for the world if they are pushed into a corner.... This has to be dealt with a little more delicately..... The olympics provide the perfect venue for this....

When did their support for Sudan begin may I ask?

So, u r gonna turn a blind eye to harmful actions and not go through regular channels or take remedial action?

Boycotting the Olympics will infuriate them more than u think. Why push them into a corner by doing so?

yeah it will infuriate them, but it's the least drastic measure considering all the other options....



can you be more specific, Im not sure where your heading with this..



there are many articles you can find on this, but here's one.....
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0626/p01s08-woaf.html

as far as when, I don't really know the exact date, but probably in the early 90's, yes we should have dealt with it than but kind of hard with so many other issues going on at the time... Such as the break up of the USSR.....

But still pushing them into a corner, sth u issued a caveat about

I mean that international apparatus allows u to take certain action. If China is doing as the article says, and has been doing so for some time, why wasn't this stamped out ASAP? If it goes against the express will of the international community, then it has to face the consequences. Not way down the line.

I'm no fan of many Chinese actions, let me be clear on that.

The Sudanese conflict is old news, aiding and abetting a genocidal state is unacceptable. A petty boycott, whilst being the least drastic, is not the way to handle this issue.

China well knows that America has its hands tied. It doesn't even have the resources to fully take on terror in the Middle East. They can cripple ur economy too, don't forget that

first better late than never, second the US was busy in the early 90's when this first started happening, thirdly the leverage wasn't so available as it is now with the olympics...



of course, that's why this needs to be handled delicately.... Olympics is the way to go, especially if the whole world boycotts it would be hard for China to single out one single country to retaliate against..... Whats your solution????? if your saying talking, the US has been doing it since the early 90's.....

I agree with better later than never but how many times r u gonna use it as a justification? What if Russia nukes a few EU countries and then, after some time, u pipe up? They'll have contacted NK and China by then, and then what?

Busy? Come on, u have amazing resources. I don't remember the condemnation being strong enough. America especially has to take the lead and rally support for doing the right thing.

Do u really think China is going to reverse years of repressive policies? If u want to overhaul communism, u have to get tough. A ditsy boycott will be like a fly buzzing around for them.

My solution is heavy use of sanctions and to punish the wrongs according to legislation that has been laid down. Proportionate, measured responses

I agree with that, unfortunately I don't see support for such actions.... The US doing this on it's own would be futile and only hurt the US...



also true, this is not the most effective but the best option we have right now.....



Yes busy, America can't afford to send all it's resources into the region and than leave a front to be attacked..... You always need to keep back up reserves and not use them all... if all troops are in middle east, where are the troops to protect the US..... we need some to keep as a deterent against being attacked...

U don't see support for doing the done thing? That's lame on the US govt's part. Also, the EU too.

Then roll with the boycott option and see where it gets u. China's repressive policies will continue as they won't interpret the boycott as fully hardcore/hardline. Then, they will cut trade with u and make u pay through trade embargos and petty, tho stinging measures.

Then lay it down to the EU that we have to step in. Call on Japan and Australia to get involved more. Use ur options

with that I agree, this should have been dealt with long ago.......



true but if we stick together, China can't single out one country to punish..... it might not change things but it can help.... plus it would be a nice punishment....



unfortunately I'm not in politics but if I was that is what I would be dong.....

That's true that there is no ringleader in an all out boycott. Still, read with caution.

Back to the thread tho, Russia can lay the world to waste so it makes no sense to argue vehemently about such an eventuality.

Yes they can, but no they won't without having to sacrafice themselves...

Everyone would make sacrifices Matty. The world would be destroyed

Im not so worried about Russia, there becoming a joke day by day.......

A joke with more nuclear warheads than America and is developing the mother of all bombs. Now, why hasn't the US done anything about that? If Iran was doing that, u'd be jumping off the deep end

Everyone would lose.

(I mean, what's so wonderful about a non-existant victory, - Define victory for me please? I only see destruction, bad economies, poor people, fear and intolerance? - when millions of people have to die?)

Seanus are you serious............ If you want the end of the world than sure America can do something about that.....

And Russia could do it just as quickly, r u denying that?

Why hasn't Russia been condemned for building bombs? Iran would be

no not at all, there still a joke though...........



this is a pointless conversation if I really have to explain this....... Why? because getting into a confrontation with Russia would be disatrous for all sides.... Getting in a confrontation with Iran would only be disatrous for Iran... well to be fair, I guess it would be a little set back for the US.....

Aha, so u r bullying Iran and showing cowardice in not standing up to Russia. That's not fair!! Is Russia ur ally and do they pose any threat to world stability?

Would also be disastrous for the US as Iran is being (More or less?) backed by Russia?

Anyway, I don't want to sound like a semi-intellectual all the time, but I think conversations like this don't contribute anything to the idea of creating a more sensible, or relaxed atmosphere though..

I highly doubt Russia would go to war to protect Iran.....



naw me and Seanus both enjoy our friendly brawls......

Exactly, neither of us have our fingers on any buttons, well, not military ones anyway, LOL. Russia would not go to war, I agree. Despite not criticising Iran so openly, there are those who are wary of Iran in Russia. Putin is just playing games, the true card is revealed when necessity requires this

lol.........



I agree.......

youtube.com/watch?v=0Yu6sn8Ti0w, Russia will not go to war with the EU as it would make little sense

tea it was, in bygone days. It seems we are more likely to be taking heroin these days...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/world/asia/24bhutan.html?ref=world


Bhutan a country in Asia is transforming into a democracy.... I just found it interesting a King volunteering to give up his power and must commend him for it......

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/23/AR2008 032301419.html

Nato needs to do more to cement Ukraine and Georgia into the west. It's seems that eastern Europe has more balls than the west and doesn't think twice about standing up to Putin....

Good point Matty, Ukraine and Poland would pack quite a punch together. Georgia's military awareness and prowess has been raised as a result of Grozny so it has some axes to grind with Russia. Russia would counter by attempting to either silence or make Ukraine sell out.

Ukraine could be a big gun on the international sphere

that's not the point, point is not to abandon countries that want to be part of the west, countries that are tired of being influenced by the whims of the Kremlin.... not to long ago Poland was in that position....