EU vs Russia war - who would win?

I doubt the necessary will is there to bring that about. Concerted efforts have hardly been made to draft them in but, so far, to no avail.

I agree, there is the will when it comes to eastern Europe but the will doesn't exist in western Europe....... And as we all know without the support of all members of Nato, Ukraine and Georgia won't be invited...

I say f*ck Russia...... Ill admit we do need Russian oil.... however Russia won't stop providing EU with oil because it's not in there interest to do so.........

http://www.timesledger.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19419769&BRD=2676&PAG= 461&dept_id=542415&rfi=6

The polish consulate shouldn't have to go out of its way to explain the situation to these two fruitcakes..... Poland is a Catholic country that doesn't believe in homosexuality.... deal with it..........

It's not like the Presidant advocated killing all fags or anything.......

http://threatswatch.org/rapidrecon/2008/03/pondering-chinas-military-b uil/

let's hope this is true..... a rivary between China and the Russia would weaken both countries, I see it as good news for the rest of the world, well as long as it doesn't lead to ww3

I recall that such was the intentions of Chemberleyn before WWII, to set on the fight Russia and Germany. We all know the result, suppose it will be the same - the border between Russia and Germany in best, but think that it will be Franco-Russian border

I highly doubt it..... either way Im not worried.........

http://www.rightsidenews.com/20080325580/global-terrorism/a-new-french -strategy.html

Great Article about France......

http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-239/0803265600184237.htm

What the hell is Merkal talking about?????? As far as Georgia I agree, but what regional conflict is Ukraine involved in?????

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/194688,report-kaczynski-lobbie s-merkel-over-nato-membership-for-ukraine.html

on Kosovo, where Germany sending more and more troops and Ukrainians blame NATO and KFOR for increasing level of violance


yesterday I sow in newspapers (Vecernje Novosti/Evening News) that Russian ambasador to Belgrade- Alexander, said that NATO obviously insist to put Slavic countries as first line of NATO against Serbs

with every new day we have more and more examples where different politicians point on fact that Slavs are oppresed or/and that there is tendency that Slavs are used against other Slavs, by NATO/EU

were not being used... in case you didn't notice it is the slavs that want to be part of NATO and EU because their sick of Russia.... If anything the west is less anti-Russian than the slavs.... stop twisting the facts....

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/26/europe/EU-GEN-NATO-Expansion .php

Slavic public support Racowie and that has anything with Russia. In fact, for the first time after very long time official Russia and Russian public behave according to interests and wishes of rest of Slavic world. That`s the new quality in Russian politics.


some of Polish politicians (such as Tusk) has been manipulated and used right now, against Slavic Poland and Serbians


me?

you meant to say in the wishes of Serbian interests..... I don't think using gasprom as political tool in the slavic countries, committing a cyber attack on estonia, or threatening slavic countries with nukes qualifies as working for the interests of the slavic world..

I get it Russia supports Serbia when it comes to Kosovo, doesn't mean you have to lick their as*es.... If they had respect for Serbia they would have offered you market price for the oil industry....



if that was true they sure as hell are not doing a good job..... Poland is a free country, part of the EU and we have to think for the benefit of all of EU and not just always Poland...



yes you......

Really??? Do you think the Poles for example see it the same way? :)

how do the Germans see it????? let me guess Polish paranoia.....

Now if you going to tell me that no they do see Polish position as being correct but Germany just wants to handle things diplomatically and not antagonize Russia.... well screw that.... while Germany is taking it's time playing the diplomatic game, the rest of eastern EU suffers....

the question boils down to, whose more important to keep good relationship with.... Countries that are part of the EU, or Russia.... I understand if you say both.... however you must admit that countries in the EU should hold preferance.... especially if their right.....

Well said, European feet dragging is terrible. The only time we get off our sorry as*es is to avert incidents of terrorism. Even then, I only need say Madrid. We need to step up to the plate and take responsibility for issues within our own jurisdiction. Europe, IMHO, is too comfortable and is getting complacent.

Name me a notable recent German success story for the EU

Seanus if I could, I would make you the President of the EU commission....... Unfortunately I can't.... If the EU was less complacent it would strengthen the position of the EU in the international arena.... and I see that as a good thing...

Twenty-five years down the road, Russia will be a firm member of NATO, aligned with the EU and the US against Red China.

I think so too, i dont know in 25 years or not or the firm part....... Russia as of now still seeks to dominate and not cooperate... The country has a lot to learn and a long way to go....

I had the opportunity after my studies to go to Brussels, this was my grandad's express wish, but I chose to see Asia and what a good decision it was too. I dare say they have their fair share of young policy makers there but I was just too young at the time to consider working there. I didn't want the shackles whapped on too early.

My knowledge of European affairs is a bit rusty/patchy but I've found that laymen can often suggest better ideas than the self proclaimed 'experts'. It's the same in chess, 'lesser' players can often spring a few surprises.

On a general note, BBC are wheeling out some nice articles. Their coverage of late has been pretty impressive.

I have to agree...... They can bring a fresh perspective instead of the same old cr*p.....



any articles specific?????

A fresh perspective and can ask a few questions too. The EU and various academic communities suffer from 'old boy syndrome'. They stick to their social circle, read the same biased newspapers and maintain the status quo.

The articles on Iraq throw up a few hot potatoes. The missile shield and its accompanying tactical analyses have received attention. Worth checking out.

It's quite, it's peaceful and it works!
We could do alot worse....

Yeah, those were really good... at least the ones you sent me.....



if you have a link, I wouldn't mind taking a look....

Anything for the easy life, eh?

lol, you got it.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7315294.stm, France's involvement, some extra commitment at last

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7315691.stm, Bush keeps his foot firmly on the gas

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7280000/newsid_7282700/7282705 .stm?bw=nb&mp=wm&news=1&nol_storyid=7282705&bbcws=1, Missile shield video

There are problems with the shortage of troops. There are whole areas under the control of the Taliban that we are neglecting. Mehsud must be hunted down and down away with. He is nothing but a troublemaker

Thanks for the links.... Im taking a look as we speak....

If u check the BBC archives, they should have some stuff on the missile shield, it was a recent article.

Yeah, Ill take a look.... I like the UK's foreign policy especially as it pertains to Russia.... They support the missle shield.... which is a plus... however not sure how they stand on admitting Ukraine or Georgia into Nato though..

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Scotland beat the Ukraine but lost out to Georgia in the football but that has little bearing on international events. I don't think it's a matter of top priority for those who must decide, put it that way. NATO could be bolstered but it is strong as it stands