EU vs Russia war - who would win?

true, but's its also about helping those that want to be free from Russian influence.... I think western EU takes its freedom for granted.... They need to experiance communism for 30-40 years and then we'll see how they think....

That's why Mrs. Merkal pisses me off..... Not only is she from the most influential EU country but she grew up in eastern Germany.....

and obviously France...... no more needs to be said.... that's embarrassing enough

http://www.polskieradio.pl/zagranica/news/artykul78907_Ukraine_alone_i f_not_for_Poland.html

Ukraninan PM expresses her gratitude to Poland.... btw she is sooooo hot.....

NATO's unhappy warriors

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/commentary/la-oe-mitchell27 mar27,0,6714973.story

Andrew Bacevich and Ted Galen Carpenter are the two biggest doushebags alive.... Poland and many in eastern Europe have contributed more than most to the Nato initiative in Afghanistan....

Diplomatic tussle over Georgia and Ukraine NATO bids

http://euobserver.com/9/25873

Western NATO members are cowards.....

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Mar27/0,4670,ColombiaUranium,00.html

Uranium found in Columbia.....

http://uk.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUKL2753224320080327

MoD admits to prisoner abuse....

Before people go crazy and these anti war protesters starting making a fuss... It wasn't MoD policy just a few people took things into their own hands.... To be honest, I don't know if these people were known terrorists or not but if they were I would beat a couple myself....

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSSEO11219

Tension between North Korea and South Korea increases.....

that`s all right



today Poland helping Ukraine to join NATO and latter would Ukraine help to Poland to escape from NATO. That`s honest feed back relationship.

BDW, when escape start, you can always count on Serbians. In the meanwhile we would work with Russians and make them how to say... more flexible, less nervous; more humorous, less idiotic; more open, less isolated.

Lol,

Crow, you got yourself a deal..... Russians need the help........

those are words brate. We all have our responsibilities

You just take care of Tusk and do what you can to help Lusatians (and you can a lot of if you vote carefuly on elections), so that they one day escape togather with you from NATO (from Germ).


what to tell you

Germany is not that bad, and Nato is needed until you help Russia understand how to treat eastern EU as equals....

just, to found sombody who would learn USA and EU to treat eastern Europe as equals

Which EU countries don't treat Eastern Europe as equals Crow?

I agree to a small extent.......... The US has been starting to treat us respectfully since Tusk.... The EU is still not there yet, however that is nothing comparable to Russia.... Neither EU or US threaten us with nukes if we do something they don't like, they don't commit cyber attacks and they don't use their companies to control our foreign policy.....

It's not even a contest between EU/US or Russia..... Now I understand Serbs positon and don't blame them, but once you get Kosovo back (if you do) get the he*l away from Russia as fast as possible....

The only way the Serbs will get Kosovo back is if the Russians step in and make it so. Bush had made his mind up to liberate Kosovo (give it independence) a long time b4 the event. He even said so.

If Kosovo fell under Serbian control again, why isolate Russia, their key supporter?

Why, because Russia is only using Serbia for their own gain, now to be fair Serbia is also benefiting, but once it's clear Kosovo is gone or they get it back, Russia has nothing more to offer.... Just look how Russia took advantage of Serbia... they bought the oil industry for a fraction of the price because they knew that Serbia needed their support... All countries think about their own interests but Russia takes it to a whole another level....



I hope Serbia does get Kosovo back but I dont see it happening...... Clearly Russia won't be stepping in........ even if they truly wanted to.......

I agree, Russia won't step in. They had their chance but lacked the balls.

This Slavic brotherhood thing takes a backseat to national interests, sad but true.

Their are slavic countries that get along beautifully like the countries in Eastern Europe, with Russia & Belarus excluded..... But that's because their interests converge not becasue of slavic brotherhood... It's a nice concept but it's just a dream.....



lol, thank god...... I wouldn't want to see a nuclear war.......

on a side note: Im not suprised Germany and France don't want Ukraine and Georgia to join because this would weaken the both of them while making eastern europe a more powerful force...... politically right away.... and economically & militarly in 20 years or so....

To the above Matty, I agree

that's a shame, Im getting kind of bored.......

http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=4986.3257.0.0

great article about Germany, now some statements are a little to dramatic however the majority of the article makes some sense....

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a5m4ndH8Lhb0&refer =home

It looks like Mugabe(President of Zimbabwe) has lost the elections... Great news.... He turned the country from one of the richest in Africa to a country plagued by 100,000 % inflation... From an unemployment rate of 15% to a unemployment rate 0f 80%... he deserved to lose and the people of Africa deserve better....

How would the Ukraine and Georgia in the Nato weaken
Germany and France??? Please explain....

And please refrain from using The Trumpet as a source..I told you before that's the paper of american religious nutters who believe in the coming armageddon (soon btw), evangelicals...nobody takes them seriously...I myself read them sometimes to have a good laugh! (Or you better shake hands with guys like Crow)

They reason their opinions with chapters from the bible for f***sake! When you quote these nutters you become ridiculous yourself...



For that happening so soon our poor Bundeswehr is just not fit!

*snicker*

*chortle*

:):):)

It would weaken there influence in the organization..... The more countries that join and are especially anti-west, tend to increase the power of eastern EU in the organization and diminishes the power of western EU.... Same would go if Ukraine joined the EU..... It would bring in around 50 votes towards eastern europe.... seeing that Ukraine would side with Eastern EU....



I said some of the stuff is over the top such as the Fourth Reich and stuff but as far as them talking about influence of Germany in EU and the power struggle between France, it's pretty much spot on.....

IMO Germany has been getting more monopolistic in the area of EU foreign policy........

And why should they be "anti-german"?
They are counting on Germany to help them alot to develop....
Why should they want to join if they are anti-german in the first place. They know that Germany is an important member.
Joining just to gang up on German...to what will that lead in the end in your opinion?
How will Germany react? Do you think it will resort
to paying the bill but otherwise getting nothing to say?
I tell you that...that will be the end of the EU.
Would you like that?




You cannot take that what you like for the truth whereas you know they lie and manipulate in others...
Even when they tell what you want to hear you should always take it with a big grain of salt from this source!

I think he may have meant relative weakening of the two countries. With Ukraine potentially becoming a major player in NATO a lot of resources might be shifted towards the east. We have already seen protests/lobbying by some German municipalities fearing the relocation of good business to Poland - the US military installations.

Btw, it seems France may want back in too.

I should have said pro eastern europe... my mistake.... but the point was that they would support eastern EU and not western EU decisions....



I do, but Germany has been becoming more monopolistic when it comes to EU foreign policy......

Listen I'm not anti-German or anything but Germany has been snobbish with unitaleral decisions and when Poland does the same their is a huge outcry....

Wouldn't it be better then if Eastern Europen countries found and build up their own EU??? Instead joining the old one and ganging up on other members and destroying the organization from within?
Are they only in for the money? Disgusting!

Are you guys still talking about the same topic or not? After all EU is not NATO.

That' why I was asking...As far as I know it's only about NATO and I still don't know how a membership of Ukraine in the NATO should weaken Germany or France...

Your right, kind of both, because it's only natural that Ukraine will join EU after it joins Nato.....



I think Dariuz brought up a good point with the resources being shifted towards eastern Nato... not to mention Germany is anti-US and with Ukraine and Georgia joining their more Pro-US...

maybe these anti- and pro phrases are a little extreme but just using them to show that some countries tend to agree with others while others tend to disagree...

Ukraine won't join NATO...firstly at least half of their citizens are against it and far more russian friendly than western friendly and second Germany doesn't want them neither...

No chance!
(The same for Georgia)



You are talking crap today Matty!

How can you say Germany is anti-US???

Your probably right........



true........



the question is why?????? and don't say Germany is following the wishes of the Ukranian public....



I explained anti might be too strong of a word..... it used to show they tend to disagree.... in the context Im using them.... Im not saying Germany hates the US or anything....... (which personally I think it does privately, however German and US interests converges for the most part, it's like a shot-gun wedding)

That's why:

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Why do you think so?