EU vs Russia war - who would win?

read post 70 however that's just my opinion

Neither would win.

if your talking conventional forces v conventional forces. Id imagine the EU with a better equiped and better funded for training armed forces up against an armed force with out such 'luxury' but superior numbers - it would just be bloodlust.

However, id like to point it is a non-sensical theory as we cannot ignore external factors, internal diplomacy, will of the people, etc. to suggest a rambo style fight to the death blow for blow between the European Union and Russia.

If it was conventional forces EU would win because of greater numbers and great technology. However only if their would be political will like you said and solidarity. Not like in ww2

As for your post 70..

Seriously, no where in the EU are there nukes? That's hard to believe! They probably just keep it on the "DL" ;) that way [if] say....Russia tried to go to war with them they would have a good defense.
And as for not having a proper army, like someone said before.... people tend to come together for the common good of their country...etc. Right? ...at least we hope.

Reading your post 70. If you want to include nuclear weapons as a first strike option then the 'winner' (if you call winning nuclear wasteland winning) is the first side to use nuclear weapons.

again - if this is all your suggesting.... Im sorry Matthias but its my opinion. Its a bit schoolyard. my dad can beat up your dad...

though, it is interesting when we look at the realistic tensions we had recently between UK, DE, PL and RU! now there is something that has real consequneces and is definitely worth discussion on a forum. again imho

If it was conventional forces EU would win because of greater numbers and greater technology. However only if their would be political will like you said and solidarity. Not like in ww2. Russia if nukes are involved. To me this is not an issue because Russia would easily win with nukes and im supprised some disagree

your mentioning political will now. fine. there is no political will in russia for war with the eu.
it is only top political figures posturing to try get leverage for russia (as any statesperson would).

it has worked too, but war was never on the cards and certantly not nuclear (again, its a last resort and not even russia has the 'will' to use it as a first strike)

Nukes are the ACE OF SPADES here. Russia has superior capabilities on that front as we all know but a first strike on Russia need not be crippling. Then, Russia would just unload and take out Britain and France's nuclear bases. Basic analysis I know but there u have it

The Russian rhetoric has worked scaring most in the EU. But this was just a hypothetical started because someone stated that the EU can provide security for Poland so Poland should ditch America. My point was from all of this that America is the only country that can offer Poland any sort of military security. EU can only offer Economic security. So its in Polands interest to keep a good relationship with USA. In addition its in Polands interest to help on the war on terror because if America loses then Poland loses

It Polands interested to stay with good relations with all parties.

Why just today I read in the times that PL and RU have backked down, RU has no objections going forward to the US building a missle base there and PL have withdrawn its VETO from allowing RU get into the Free Trade group (google for links im too tired and going to bed soon)

Same applies to EU, US & RU. close ties between them all serve the best interests of you and me and all! to combat the true war against criminality which knows no borders.

We only need to remember the Cold War where Russia was loaded to the hilt with nuclear warheads. My knowledge of it is decent at best as I'm more interested in more recent administrations, but I will say that there was a stand down, I never saw one side pushing the button. I don't fully agree Matthias, scaring most in the EU, hmmm..!!! Britain is standing firm and the Czechs and Poles are refusing to be bullied about the shield. Scaring some for sure but the realists know that Russia will not unleash its weapons. The leash is on those who bark too loudly. I agree with the rest of the stuff tho

Yeah Daffy I know. I read that too. Seanus by scared its just seemed more EU countries weren't vocal enough to support poland especially when Poland has a right to a defensive weapon.

then, all is well :)

A step forward for PL, RU, EU & US! Huzah we are all winners!

lol appreciate your posts logical and reasonable

Oh yeah good night I know your tired.

Ive been called a robot before ;)

Yeah goodnight Matthias! (i am glad to hear you DID infact catch that piece in the news and nicer still to know that you yourself are a person who can reason!)

take care!

Fair point Matthias but maybe they feel that Poland's back isn't firmly against the wall just yet so don't pipe up. It's still at the negotiation stage without too much strife, Russia is just posturing. The other EU members are biding their time but I also question, if and when the time comes, just how vociferous the commitment to Poland's case will be. Time will tell

The EU would want PL's case to win if it ever did come to it Seanus. If PL lost out so would DE and FR and the rest of the EU. (in ref to GAS for EG). As you say, PL's back was not in the corner, it was doing fine, besides, merke; (DE chancellor for the uninitiated)and GB Prime minister, FR Prime Minister, had indeed made representations to RU about PL & indeed, the Ukraine's soverignty.

PL is a full member of the EU. To bully PL is to bully the EU and the EU has not backed down on that (ref represenations above) Regarding a US missle system, PL was let take front seat in this by the US and the EU was not able to fully support this as it was a soverign PL decision. The US could have done more to help but its diplomatic stance was very standoffish (they like that, draws attention away from US national issues).

Regardless, RU has no longer objections to this missle base, and the GAS issue was solved earlier. (no it remains to see the outcomes of the GB RU bickering)

I agree daffy, the EU has been supportive of new HCP's/accedents to the EU such as Poland and will defend their corner. To me, all lights should be go and Poland given this capability. Who knows who'd side with who in a nuclear war, we think we know our allies but there are seldom guarantees. China may double cross Russia. Iran may confine its focus to Israel. Pakistan may start acting up and being unpredictable, we just don't know. Therefore, in an increasingly uncertain global environment, the brocard 'better safe than sorry', could never be more apt.

Who? On which side?

"[assuming] all participated"
on the EU side.

BLYAT'!!!! Why you always have a tendention to move it to an isterical field?
Can you just imagine the situation when Russia uses their nuclear wapons against european countries? I can't.

it is element of election campaing in Russia (our TVs say so ;))

Hemm, I'm periodically watching Russian TV and watching over election company, but can't remember such elementsin it. To bomb Europe...he-he

anti western rethoric in Russia is partly caused by inside needs of Russian society ...

Oh no it's just a needs to defend our political interests....dont worry, nobody will bomb you

heheh have you seen reaction of Polish politicians on this pathetic speach of your general about nuclear atack :)))

No, but I can imagine. All in all, we have a right to use it againast the enemy in case of invading in Russia

"...dont worry, nobody will bomb you"

you must be aware that many would be on the EU side, while refusing to be (to fight) against Russians

I point on position of Slavic countries and solidarity with Russia. That is something what is very likely to happen. That`s how it is with Slavs when foreigners attacking. That is instinct for survivor and it is something natural.

LOL ;) I don't think that it is about slavs ... this kind of war isn't in business of Russia, Poland and EU. Maybe in business of USA (war on European ground would strenghten position of USA) but it is only theoretical divagation.