EU vs Russia war - who would win?

now to be honest the EU would beat russia...russia still use alot of old submarines and ships. russia are not going to hit a country beside them with a nuke.. russia may have soliders but they also could not defeat the taliban

Russia during war in Afghanistan was on military peak ...

What is sure their legend is very strong in EU ... after so many posts of people form all over the world I have to say that their legend is their the bigest power ...

Russians have very interesting military technologies but they have to spend enourmous amounts of money to upgrade their military forces ... and start new "race" ... we have seen the result of last race ;)

They should they steal it from other countries.


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celinski mabe they stolen something but honesty they have their own very interesting technologies. Like air-defence systems or rocket technology.

I am sure they do, it's not like they share there money outside of Russia. If USA held their purse strings that tight there would be a total outrage. But our military budget would not be an issue.

;) Russians can have technologies but most of their army looks like that :





not complete uniforms, low morale etc ...

of course Russian strenght always had origin not in morale or complete unforms but in numbers of soldiers ;) but whem we look on their population 138 mln people very strongly decreasing ... and on population of EU and USA ... China, India or Pakistan ...

only their nukes are important

to cut long story short there will be no war Russia-EU or Russia-USA or Russia-NATO

It's amaizing!!!! How can you discuss this question without any slightest idea about life in Russia. You are just milling piles of nonsese, meantime present time is a real Golden Age for Russia. You looks like you are too afraid and trying to supress your fear by stories about Russia's weakness

Fear can come in handy. I have noticed a tone down in Russian goverment in the last few days.

Medvedev: do not fear Russia, let us grow
First Deputy PM, Dmitry Medvedev, says Russia poses no threat to other nations. In his first speech since becoming a presidential candidate, he said Russia was committed to finding more allies around the world, but must be allowed to develop democracy in its own way.
Every nation needs a clear set of principles and goals which unite its people. These goals are based on the real needs of society. These are our principles as I see them: first of all, freedom and justice, next, human dignity, thirdly, prosperity and social responsibility. We don’t need to invent anything. Humanity has worded the basic values a long time ago. But we sometimes have problems about implementing them in Russia. Our goal is to combine Russian national traditions and the fundamental democratic values.

Dmitry Medvedev

http://russiatoday.ru/news/news/19945

no ConstantineK ... if you want to be 1st or 2nd military power in world you have to spend hundrets of bilions of $ on your army ...

yes you are strong and you have money form gas and other mineral resources ... but 138 mln people (still poor) isn't antything special.

Honestly ConstantineK NATO is not going to invide you. Russia is strong etc ... but it isn't so strong as it was ...

and why Putin sends "white" colonist on your border with China ? I have heard that Russians feel fear because of enourmous Chinese colonistaion of eastern Russia ... and why Russians have given for China part of their country near Amur river ? is it fear.

ConstatnineK you should your realtions with whole EU make better. It is in your busnienss ...

Really all stories about China will defeat Russia are eventually bull..s..it. Than more population do you have, than more resources you need to create defence. China had the largest population in 13 cent too, but Mongols had defeated them quate easily.

Please read about the past that some of us know.

NO SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL

One shouldn’t have to recite the litany of terror, but in Russia, one does. The Communists were estimated to have killed through murder, camps, starvation, deportations- at least 20 million people over 36 years (72 total). Yes, the number bandied around now is 12.5 million, but that acknowledges millions more. Most of this lies at the feet of the greatest monster in history*, Joseph Stalin, a filthy psychotic who killed his family, friends, colleagues, and significant portion of his nation… along with a piece of Galina’s soul. He didn’t “save the country” in WW2, he was responsible for 10-14 million of the 28 million deaths by ignoring Hitler’s threat even after he invaded, slaughtering the entire officer corps in response to a hideously successful German misinformation plan, and expending humans like farm animals.


http://hammernews.com/monsters.htm

so why Putin sends white colonist there and try to stop chinese colonisation ...

millions-millions, Bla-Bla-Bla....And what? French revolution was a bloodish too, they just had no such means which Stalin had had., just only simple ships to sink thousands of royalists in them.



You are delirious...where?

"Simple ships", is that what you really learned? Try tieing military, unarmed mens hands behind their backs and shooting them in the head. Try going in the night with armed men to homes of reserve military, killing them or using them in Siberia to slave and die. I can't believe, ConstantineK that your heart is so cold to so many victims.



At least both side were armed.

Both revolutions were totally disgusting and should be equally condemned. However Stalin deadly policies were not part of revolution process itself. These were post-revolutionary policies.

every discussion here must change into discussion about Stalin ...

Hey Irish so America must be weak because their having trouble in Iraq. No if America wanted to win Iraq they can bomb the hell out of the country but at what cost(millions of innocent lives lost and trillion dollars worth of ammunition) leaving them open to attack from other countries. Same thing was with Russia and the taliban.

whoever used mongols as and example of defeating russia. lol what you crazy bringing in an example from centuries ago. If russia had no nukes, china would destroy them. however with nukes russia would win.

China has nukes

Sadek I know but china has 60 nukes only. Russia has 3000.

constantine even though I think Russia can beat EU, russia is weak. without their nukes Russia is nothing, without nukes EU would destroy Russia. if this is a golden age of russia I feel sad for russia. russia has two things nukes and oil without those they are nothing. Russia should try to diversifing their economy because once oil and gas is replaced russia with collapse like it did during communism. russia seems not to ever learn from their past mistakes. don't put all your eggs in one basket

Matthias....nukes are a special case.
It doesn't matter much if you have 30 nukes or 3000...you can't use them all...not really!

If that's your only argument for a russian victory it's not enough!
Such a war if fighted for resources and not ideology might not see the use of WMD's at all...

As I see it you constantly present scenarios to favour Russsia but not a possible, more "realistic" scenario about how a hot war between the EU and Russia might come to pass...

first this is a what if scenerio bratwurst. Chances are there will never be a war between the two and we would have nothing to discuss. however this is a hypothetical situation.

second number of nukes matters. if you have 1 nuke then that's not enough. either is 30. 30 nukes can take out only 600 sq km. that's not enough to cover russian major cities. on the otherhand 3000 nukes can cover 60000 sq km. that's more then enough to cover all of chinas major cities. so number is important depending on the size of the countries.

the size of area nukes can cover is a guess its meant to show the general idea behind the thinking.

This topic has been answered I think fairly well, quick question out of curiosity which country is most powerful militarily in the EU?

It was at the end of Vendee uprising, when Revolutioners loaded royalists into the ships and just had sinked them in the Loire. The called it with french elegance - "Noyades".



Sure yes, but at first it was civil war and after that it was an terror purge...it's a law of revolution. My grand-grand dad (he was a writer, Tolstoy's pupil) was killed before his house, and it wasn't just a shot, he was hacked to death.



Both sides? Suppose you are wrong! Who had an arms? Lois XVI, who lost his head or another victims in the rein of Terror? The situation was just the same as in Russia but simply it was rather brief.

Contrary, Russian revolutian almost a fair copy of French one, but only too long in time.
At first liberte-egalite, then they began to cut heads of their friends and after sly tyrant gives all huge kick

To answer the original question of the thread - neither side would win.

Chechnya is still Russia... God, you don't know how things may turn out when you invade a muslim republic. And nukes don't mean anything. Millions of soldiers, best airborne technologies, vacuum bombs and "humanoid fighter robots" - it is not the full list of what Russia has.

And so what? America has only nukes... China has only people and manufacturing... And without them both countries are nothing too. What is the point of your post?

Indeed. Ever heard of nanotechnologies? And I dont really think in the course of the next 500 years people will be able to find a successfull replacement for oil. They can't even stop fighting!

Yeas, they never learn. Putin has no idea, that weak country can be easily defeated. All those new technologies and military bases are built by themselves.

America has only nukes. please they have most of the biggest corporations in the world. America is not dependent on only one industry for their economy. Russia has other industries obviously but most of its money is from the oil industry. Economy is not diversified enough.

also you mention chechnya all eu would have to do is offer them freedom and they will turn on russia at the very least it would start a civil war. those with russia and those against. good thing the terrorists are against you(not good but if their would be war then it would be).

millions of soldiers. russia 130 million people, eu 450 million. and if you think russia is more technologically developed then europe I highly doubt it.

At the moment Russia has much more to offer Chechenians and the latest election results prove it - 106% of voters were for Putin's party. It came down to 98.9% after re-couting ;)

And even if Russia doesn't have good domestic technologies, but their military ones obviously can not be underated.

106% lol
I totally agree, Russians do have sophisticated technologies in military aspects however EU does to. ex. russia might have better missle tech. but EU better plane tech. russia might have better submarine tech. eu has better tank tech. so its difficult to determine. but lets put technology aside.

here's a quick story

20 years ago NASA had trouble with getting a pen to work in zero gravity space. they spent 2 years and 4 billion dollars inventing a new pressurized pen. what did the russians do, they used a pencil.

point of the story is technology is not always the most important, because if something works though not technologically advanced its still good enough to get the job done.

technology is a factor by there are many others factors to winning a war. putting technology aside the other factors are in the eu favor.

106%, very precise!! Enjoying a good Sauvignon Blanc Matthias?

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lol whats that mean? sorry I have no idea