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EU vs Russia war - who would win?


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jrpole
  Jan 26, 08, 17:13  #241

The British would win. With our vastly superior fighting forces and our powerful navy with nuclear weapons. Maybe a small island but we have a hell of a punch. Never underestimate the British.

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isthatu
  Jan 26, 08, 17:29  #242

jrpole wrote:
and our powerful navy

ha.what navy?
jrpole wrote:
With our vastly superior fighting forces

what,the less than 100 thousand soldiers,bulked up with mercinries from former colonies and TA guys....yeah,right.Not on our own matey,not a chance.

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matthias
  Jan 26, 08, 18:57  #243

bubbawoo are you slow, please explain the contadiction. I said I think russia will defeat eu and then I was asking a separate topic which country is strongest in EU. learn to read english, I should not be telling you that since your british but unfortunately I have to. lol

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BubbaWoo
  Jan 26, 08, 19:00  #244

matti youre a twat, if i explained your contradiction in words of one sylabubble you still wouldnt get it

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matthias
  Jan 26, 08, 19:03  #245

that's because your an idiot and ur wrong. plain and simple

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BubbaWoo
  Jan 26, 08, 19:06  #246

name calling aside matti, go back and re-read your posts for the last couple of days. i dont know if youre a crack adict or something but they are litered with inconsistancies and contradictions, not to mention feeble arguements

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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Jan 26, 08, 19:08  #247

lol obviously your trouble answering that question says it all. thank you for being so smart. lol unfortunately your sensitive and hate being proved wrong so you play childrens games. at least we can have a good laugh thank u

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BubbaWoo
  Jan 26, 08, 19:11  #248

matthias wrote:
lol obviously your trouble answering that question says it all


what question would that be pani matti?

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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Jan 26, 08, 19:14  #249

lol

Your hilarious, thank you

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BubbaWoo
  Jan 26, 08, 19:22  #250

if you werent quite so silly it would be hilarious but as it stands its a little bit worrying... youre an accountant... people actually trust you with their money... now that really is hilarious... er... worrying...

anyway, i didnt have nearly the trouble answering the question that you did - its quite obvious there would be no winner. nukes aside, eu would win without doubt, as you have been told by most in the thread... as you say yourself, factors favour the eu

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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Jan 26, 08, 19:25  #251

yes child when talking about convetional war, but when talking about nuclear war then factors favor russia. please read all posts carefully not just mine so you can see in what context the post was made. also don't get so emotional.

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BubbaWoo
  Jan 26, 08, 19:28  #252

matti you fuking clown if it was a nuclear war there would be no winner - what part of that are you having problems understanding

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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Jan 26, 08, 19:35  #253

lol first EU doesn't have enough nukes to destroy all russian cities. but russia has enough to destroy all of EU.

your playing games with the question. for ex. ww2 you can say their were no winners because all sides paid a price. but allies did win. don't change meaning of what winning means to fix you being proved wrong also in this posts, if you read all posts this was already explained.

calm down think logically don't let your emotions control you

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BubbaWoo
  Jan 26, 08, 19:37  #254

matthias wrote:
your playing games with the question


no matti, im playing games with you

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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Jan 26, 08, 19:38  #255

well your playing with yourself because im just having a laugh at your expense

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paczka
  Jan 27, 08, 13:07  #256

In fact, most people agree on one thing - the war won't happen, mainly because UK, Germany and France are ruling the Union, and they don't want to mess with gas supplies. Everyone seem to be quite happy with how the things are run ATM, at least noone has got a good reason to start a war lol.

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southern
  Jan 27, 08, 13:42  #257

paczka wrote:
Everyone seem to be quite happy with how the things are run ATM


Not everyone.

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Michal
  Jan 27, 08, 14:24  #258

I think the question is silly from the outset. Russia would not want war with the West. if England invaded Russia then the Russians would win as there is more of them. The Russians can be quite a tough people and can hold their own when the getting gets tough. Nucler bombs changes the equilibrium rather a lot though.

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paczka
  Jan 27, 08, 16:25  #259

southern wrote:
Not everyone.

As I said, Germany, UK and France are. They dont give a hell about others ;)

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isisores
Edited by: isisores  Jan 27, 08, 17:44  #260

Crow wrote:
But then, France suddenly attacked Russia, Russians were forced to retreat from Balkan leaving us alone with Turks. You can`t imagine how many Serbs was slaughtered in those days by Turks, many were sold to slavery in Arabic countries.

i can't belive you serbs belive in these *********. they are lies to make your people too nationalist as to hate other nations, and cause war in balcans. to make you kill many bosnians, kosovo albanians and turks so selling you guns and earn money. you are stupid, sooo stupid.

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osiol GOLD MEMBER
  Jan 27, 08, 20:48  #261

matthias wrote:
EU doesn't have enough nukes to destroy all russian cities. but russia has enough to destroy all of EU

Okay then, let's spare Irkutsk.

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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Jan 27, 08, 21:12  #262

matthias wrote:EU doesn't have enough nukes to destroy all russian cities. but russia has enough to destroy all of EU.

Also one should consider te miltary installations such as bases, missle silos etc. which are spread out all over Russia.

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JohnP
Edited by: JohnP  Jan 28, 08, 00:28  #263

Aaargh.
This all sounds like arguing about who would win at football between teams that only play baseball, but here goes:
The ones with the simplest plan, executed the fastest, would likely win, but if the victory would last depends much I think on whether the populace of the conquered country(ies) have been allowed to go on with their lives with some dignity; and the rapidity of the same. As stated above, WWI did cause WWII; a sentiment I agree with btw-had Germany not been slammed so hard at end of WWI perhaps a cuckoo like Hitler would never have risen to power.
Nuclear weapons play a factor but not so big as people believe. Way too much mythology has been attributed to nuclear weapons by media hysteria....not too much is true. Unlike other weapons nuclear weapons are not technically controlled by armies but by civilian politicians keeping this ultimate political tool for themselves. Nuclear war would not be the end for us all unless it was total war and EU and RU used all at once, and big strategic stuff, not tactical weapons. World has already has nuclear war. Japan is ok now.
To further twist the thread, as we are discussing unlikelihoods, if you were the political and or military leader of Russia or EU-how would you wage this war to win, should the shooting start?.
(sorry in advance for the hijack, even if related-I just think it would be more interesting than calling each other stuff)

John P.

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ConstantineK
  Jan 29, 08, 06:10  #264

celinski wrote:
Could it be that out numbered Poles a few times


You meant the 1610? In this case you should remember the unhappy epilogue of this compain for polish intervents.... First, they eated their horses, then each other in the Kremlin

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celinski
  Jan 29, 08, 07:38  #265

ConstantineK wrote:
You meant the 1610?


No I was referring to 1920. Is it that difficult to understand Russia lost, Poland won.

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ConstantineK
  Feb 1, 08, 01:57  #266

celinski wrote:
I was referring to 1920. Is it that difficult to understand Russia lost, Poland won.


Lost what? Poland? Heh, we don't need your territory, we have no revolutionary fever at present. It is you who are trying to spread your influence over Belorussia and Ukrain. But I can asure you, that you never will gain a control over these ancient Russian dominions. Be sure!

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lesser
  Feb 1, 08, 05:11  #267

ConstantineK wrote:
celinski wrote:
I was referring to 1920. Is it that difficult to understand Russia lost, Poland won.


Lost what? Poland? Heh, we don't need your territory, we have no revolutionary fever at present. It is you who are trying to spread your influence over Belorussia and Ukrain. But I can asure you, that you never will gain a control over these ancient Russian dominions. Be sure!


You are not even aware what lands have your country lost at that time...

Russia wont be an empire, because you have no common sense.

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southern
  Feb 1, 08, 05:34  #268

lesser wrote:
You are not even aware what lands have your country lost at that time...


Commies did not care about the land they had to give as long as the treaty would be signed.They even offered Minsk to Poland but Poland refused!
In Brest Litovsk treaty Bolsheviks gave to Germans everything they wanted,the Baltics,half of Ukraine etc.They cared only to stop the german advance and get time to crash their enemies in civil war.
The same was with Poland.Bolsheviks' tactique was to give land as long as they could influence masses through propaganda.They knew they would be soon back.

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lesser
Edited by: lesser  Feb 1, 08, 05:54  #269

southern wrote:
Commies did not care about the land


I'm just pointing out Constantine's lack of knowledge on this issue.
Beside of that one doesn't exclude the second. You can tactically give up something to take even more in the future.

southern wrote:
The same was with Poland.Bolsheviks' tactique was to give land as long as they could influence masses through propaganda.They knew they would be soon back.

Actually in Poland they never managed to influence the masses. Stalin said once that imposing communism on Poland is like trying to put a saddle on a cow.

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ConstantineK
Edited by: ConstantineK  Feb 1, 08, 07:48  #270

lesser wrote:
You are not even aware what lands have your country lost at that time...


Yeah? Really? And which lands did we lose at that time? Suppose that Cerzon Line is not appropriate for Russia, its lands should be laid quite far western. All in all present polish territory is more perfect than after 1918.

lesser wrote:
Russia wont be an empire, because you have no common sense.


Do you think so? Well, but we existed in this form from 1721 till 1917!
And what is "common sense" mean in your interpretation?

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