EU vs Russia war - who would win?

Lets see when your leader took Poland, he killed his own at the same time and you see "common sense" in that picture. What other country killed there own?

France

Another one with lots of "common sense".

Germany, Spain, China, US...All great powers in the times of civil turbulence or civil wars.

Also Ukrainian and Belarusian.



Even if Poland would not have common sense, this would not change my opinion about Russia. Beside of that Poles under occupation had better living standards that most of Russians in Russia.

Sure we can call all these revolutions as a lack of common sense, but it is a perfect lack because it gives us a ground to feel some sort of pride for deeds of our ancestors and of course to feel sorrow for their mistakes. Russian revolution and all ajusted period of russian history had not only Bolsheviks but also White Movenment. Surelly I feel some sort of awe, when I think about this time. Great History is just a mix of deeds and mistakes. For example I couldnt say that US had a great history, its history is just a Cash Flow.

Say what, who's fault is that? I think if Russia stayed out and left Poland alone they could have taken care of their own.



Sorrow for whom, I see denial, lack of caring for Polish feelings. When will Russia stand up and tell the truth?

Rather have history of cash flow even though your mistaken then a history of slaughtering people, occupying lands and mistake after mistake after mistake. Don't Russian people LEARN.

This is what Feliks Koneczny called lack of historicism and attributed to Turan (Nomadic) civilization which according to him included Russia. :)

Lesser, when you first mentioned Feliks I didn't know much about him. however after days reading up on his philosophy and analysis, I have to say its some great stuff. Appreciate you mentioning him. I want to get his book now.

or travel by boat and try to take over on some very independent immigrants who
established themselfs in a new country .... gosh does everyone forget how much
they were involved in war? or did you have a brain fart all of the sudden?

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/teaparty.htm

Sure, I forgot that Poland like a Cesar's wife is absolutelly innocent, it never had occupied any terrytories and never had killed nobody, just a perfect example of ideal state!

Please feel free to mention the countries Poland invaded and the people it killed.. Please don't mention anything that was done in self-defence....

Once you do that, It will be my pleasure to tell you about Russia's crimes...

All history of our relations till 17-th century were permanent uzurpation over russian territories and religious views. You were endeavoring to assimilate us but failed. It was just a game which you lost and I bet that if you just won it, you surelly had destroed us without any pittiness.

What? Is this what they teach in Russian schools. Propaganda.....

Lets do this differently, lets discuss specific instances when Russia or other countries were attacked by Poland, and it wasn't Poland defending itself.

Once we name Poland's so called crimes, then we can discuss Russias real crimes.

Sorry Matthias, but I suppose that it's rather dreary to expatiate over Polish intervention in 1610-1612. Moreover, I can forecast your answer..."Propaganda".
And Polish merchants did meny atrocious deeds during this campaine.
I want to point out only one thing, some sort of dislake toward Poles appiared nor in the Soviet neither in the Emperial period, but exactly in those times. There was no any "propaganda" in 1610, it was pure all-national sensation.

Moving forward in time.....

What did you mean?

We probably should have had it out with the Rusians after berlin fell.

Constantine, you mentioned one time and only one country in History Poland has invaded and you should be happy at that because Ivan the terrible slaughtered his thousands of Russsian people. However granted it can be considered an invasion. That's it only ONE.

Now would you really like me to list all the countries Russia invaded throughout history? Just let me know....

Don't compare Russia's crimes to Polands. Its like comparing a serial murderer to a peace keeper (soldier). Neither are perfect, one kills because he likes too the other one kills only when he has to.

said one Turk


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How do they say in Croatia?Stupid as a turkish ...?

i`m not such an optimist

Germany, Britain and France would probably try to attack Russia sooner or later and to use Poland and Ukraine (and other Slavs if possible) as shield and expendable forces.


southern

You are really Greek? :)

I respect Greeks but think that Greeks and Slavs has some opened questions. Nothing that we can`t handle with, for sure. There is no need for antagonisms. Same goes for Italian-Slavic relationship.


well, i can tell you that during this last Civil War, considering that Croatian ustashe were in alliance with Arabic, Bosnian and Albanian mujaheedines, Serbs on the line of fire used to call them ALL just TURKS.

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Here is how Ukraine oppose to NATO. Go Slavs go! Do not allow bandits of so called west and imperialists to divide us!

Until 2005 pro-western Ukraine had troops in Iraq and now they wants to involve Ukraine into Afghanistan s*** too. The so called West promises paradise in EU and benefits of NATO membership to Ukraine if it only joins NATO. Even if it became an EU member it cannot expect to be anything else but only an EU colony, like poor Romania, poor Bulgaria, poor Poland, poor destroyed Serbia possible. I read in Serbian media and heard from people than today`s Romanians and Bulgarians still coming to work in Serbia since EU countries are imposing restrictions on their labor force.

Russia and Ukraine must stick together and only together they can achieve whatever they wish! But, only Russia, Ukraine and Poland together can be a backbone of any serious Slavic union.

If not Slavic Union then at least, backbone of one alternative world to that which so called West proposing to us and to our children.

World desperately needs survivor and prosperity of Slavic civilization, Slavic way, Slavic soul, Slavic culture, spirituality...

Slava!


Ukraine parliament work blocked until NATO vote decision - ex-PM

21:35 | 04/ 02/ 2008
http://en.rian.ru/world/20080204/98354509.html

Greeks have always had alliance with Serbs,even now and you know it.We always remember that Serbia kept all the promises and never sold friends out.In 1912,WW2 Serbs honored their promise and joined in the war against Turks and Germans and Greeks joined Serbs in WW1 as it had been agreed.Every enemy of Serbia is a greek enemy as well.
The only country which helped you during the war was Greece even though there was enormous pressure from EU.

It is great truth what you just said. We will remember

It is also truth that Greeks has their unique interests what i in fact respect, that`s not problem. It`s natural. Just, i think that Greeks need to learn to share antiquity with Slavs, what they currently refuse. Slavs are on their own since time immemorial. It is quite possible that Slavs are first Europeans but, don`t get me wrong, it`s not something what need to be decisive for relations among modern Europeans. Only important thing is that Slavs deserve right to live side by side with others without being target for humiliation and assimilation.

Then, there is Macedonian question. If Macedonians want`s to be unique nation and if we Serbs accepted that why is then that problem for Greeks.

Macedonians are children of Mother Slavia and they need to be free, as all Slavs, as all humans.

Greeks don`t need to have fear in case with Macedonian question.

My regards

Macedonians are not fully Slavic. They are not under Mother Slavia.

They are Slavic. Don`t worry. All historic evidences suggest in that dirrection.

Plus, they say that they are Slavic and we all should respect their opinion about themselves, same way how we need to learn to live with fact that there is strong movement inside of Croatian intelligentsia which suggest that Croats aren`t Slavs, no matter that scientific facts suggests that they are Slavs.

This is a very complex problem,we need maybe a new thread to discuss it.
I only remind you that Milosevic came to Athens in 1992 and proposed to greek government common invasion of former Republic of Macedonia by greek and serbian troops.It was an interesting proposition,however for well known reasons it could not be accepted.

i agree.

Considering on increasing international importance of Polishforums.com we definitely need to get Admin`s support on that

The Ancient Macedonians are a people related to Greeks, not Slavs. Slavs interbred with "Macedonians" thousand years ago and became what we know as Macedonians. They are not fully Slavic, no matter how they think of themselves.