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Ranj
  Jul 8, 07, 13:10  #91

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
I always think that the rumour of "Eurabia" is a pet of anti-european Americans.

I have never heard that term before.......I learn something new everyday.....God I love this forum! :)

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Ranj
  Jul 8, 07, 13:13  #92

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
Thoughtless comments?
Which of my comments was thoughtless???

I agree, I don't see your comments as thoughtless; just another opinion, which we are all entitled to....

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
Oh and just some food for thoughts (just try it), had the US not meddled in the inner european affair called WWI on the side of GB it is possible that Germany would have won or at least it could have come to a truce....meaning no Treaty of Versaillles, no Hitler, no Holocaust....
Just think about that!

No point really in thinking, "What if.....?" The past has already been written and can't be changed now.....

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Bratwurst Boy
  Jul 8, 07, 13:17  #93

Quoting: Ranj

I have never heard that term before.......I learn something new everyday.....God I love this forum! :)


In some boards it's daily stuff....sometimes it seems they are wishing for it just to spite these "bad" Europeans...

Quoting: Ranj

No point really in thinking, "What if.....?" The past has already been written and can't be changed now.....


But puts an interesting spin to that all to often self-righteous heard: "If we hadn't saved your asses in two world wars...."

:)

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Eurola
  Jul 8, 07, 13:27  #94

quote=Bratwurst Boy] It must be possible to acknowledge problems without becoming an enemy! [/quote]

It is. Your turn. :)

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
The problem starts when the youth has to care for to many old people....when the balance is disrupted, THAT is the real problem!


See? It is easy to acknowledge a problem (like a first step for alcoholics, before heading to AA...)

Now, who will be supporting you, when you become a part of the 'old people' down the road? It's the same issue here.

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Jaszczolt
  Jul 8, 07, 13:28  #95

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
But now the appeal is slowly vanishing, the US get's crowded, immigrants from all over the world ("Give us your poor...." etc) are not so enthusiastically greeted anymore, religious conflicts coming up.
Not to mention that no country has a bigger percentual part of his people behind jails...
No, this country has his flaws and warts like every one of Europes and the time as big melting pot is also over I think.
We will see much more cultural and religious tension in the future...especially when the population increasingly becomes more and more latinized....



Exactly.

Justyna, why should the multi-kulti madness of fanatical democracy be the only future way nations should be constructed?!
You've got this single idea and oh, it's so nice, so you think that everyone else would be better with it. So therefore, you support the kind of thing in Iraq.
Leave the damn people alone, instead of interferring at their internal domains.

Your kind of democracy is as modern as a blunderbuss. It doesn't help them much when you put a governmental form totally out-of-date over their heads.

You can be as much against the Bush-government as you want, but your way of thinking is actually supporting escapades like the one in Iraq.

In the beginning I didn't really think so bad about the Iraqi-thing, but when you think about it, it can surely be compared with what the EU is doing at the moment in Europe.

It's a bunch of wacky hippie outsiders and their younger followers who suddenly have gotten a huge global influence, and are now dictating how everyone should live their lives.


I'm an special case, an exception when it comes to my nearest roots. But I shouldn't be made an example of your wicked way of imagining a perfect society - where we all probably were the progenies of a Caucasoid/Negroid-breeding project.

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Jul 8, 07, 13:58  #96

you mean what new comers in Europe think about new comers in America or what native Europeans think about native Americans, or that is some general question?

I feel that new comers dominate in both cases and think only about their selfish needs. Also, seams that new comers in general don`t give a sh** for nature.

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Ranj
  Jul 8, 07, 14:12  #97

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
But puts an interesting spin to that all to often self-righteous heard: "If we hadn't saved your asses in two world wars...."

Touche! :) I'll give you that!

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Jul 8, 07, 14:46  #98

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
But puts an interesting spin to that all to often self-righteous heard: "If we hadn't saved your asses in two world wars...."

:)

We all know that Slavs didn`t need American help to resist to German invaders. I would say that on the end of war Germany needed help from Americans to survive Slavic revange.

BDW, Lusatian Serbs and Balkan Serbs were among last targets for USA bombing attacks in Europe at the end of WWII. It was first time when Serbs from Baltic to Balkan sow American bombs. I don`t say that bombing of Lusatia has something with bombardement of Balkan Serbs but, fact is that we got bombs. It was just mistake or some kind of message, I don`t know...

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shopgirl
  Jul 8, 07, 15:02  #99

It looks like this conversation has shifted toward problems.....ok then.
My biggest complaint with my country is the struggle between capitalism and socialism. What I mean by that is that the large corporations (I'm gonna use the pharmacueticals here) seem to care more about profit than humanitarian need. When Clinton was in office, Hillary tried to do some ground work to inititiate health care reform, and she was met with such resistance and loathing, it was ridiculous. The whole thing ended up getting scrapped.

Bush's administration made some promises to see that every American has affordable healthcare....but where is it? The only positive that I can see that developed out of the awareness that Hiilary created, is that now there are some programs offered by drug companies to offset costs of prescriptions for people with low incomes (like PPA). But the overall health care system is still in a sham. Costs continue to skyrocket. I would like to see something set up like many European countries have....where people don't have to worry about whether or not they can afford the cost, in the decision to get care!

And daycare? Well that's another issue very close to my heart....both as a single parent, and as a founder of the local non-profit daycare. Daycare is expensive, good ones are hard to find, and American employers are largely unsympathetic to workers with children. I had to take 2 days of official FMLA once when my daughter was an infant and had an ear infection, because my boss was givig me a hard time about it.

And at one point, right after she had been born (1999) I was "demoted" from one position to another because my boss felt I wouldn't be able to handle my responsibilities and a newborn. I was on the phone to the Human Resorces office so fast it would have made your head spin. They had a conference....I got to keep my pay rate, even though I was moved to a less challenging location. :( And there was more.....

These are two things where I would like to see change!

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Bratwurst Boy
  Jul 8, 07, 15:06  #100

Quoting: Crow
We all know that Slavs didn`t need American help to resist to German invaders. I would say that on the end of war Germany needed help from Americans to survive Slavic revange.


And here I thought Serbia was a Nazi-puppet state during WWII...
Oh and Eastern Germany survived quite well without the Americans...were the first up the ladder in the Eastern bloc later to reunified...:)

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blackadder
  Jul 8, 07, 15:12  #101

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
And here I thought Serbia was a Nazi-puppet state during WWII...



yes it was,finally somebody did his homework,not just listening bullsh crow talks...

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Eurola
  Jul 8, 07, 15:12  #102

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
Oh and Eastern Germany survived quite well without the Americans...


They were "helped" by the Soviets, just like Poland... hehehe.
Is it true that people from the old "west" Germany still look down on their "eastern" compatriots?

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shopgirl
  Jul 8, 07, 15:15  #103

Gee, I thought it was the bombing Japan that helped bring it all to a close.....but what do I know?

*need some coffee...just got up*

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regionpolski
  Jul 8, 07, 15:38  #104

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
Secondly most of our countries have already acknowledged this problem and begun to act. In Germany for example new laws were already passed to support families with children better and even single parents with children, more places in kindergartens etc....
The point is not shrinking populations since that is not a bad thing at all. Fewer children means often also that those are more cherished and supported and have better possibilities in life.
Also Germany shows that always better, more complicated, more intelligent machines do the work of even more people.
Big populations are not needed to have a highly successful and productive society!
The problem starts when the youth has to care for to many old people....when the balance is disrupted, THAT is the real problem!

Don't count your proverbial chickens before they hatch. The low birthrate, and high numbers of older citizens is a problem that was decades in the making, and will take decades to rectify. It remains to be seen if recent policy changes will have the desired effect. In the meantime, Europe will need workers. They are currently coming from former Warsaw Pact nations. Sooner, rather than later, those labor supplies will dwindle. The need will remain. Big populations aren't needed, but sustainable ones are a necessity. I believe that costs of European pensions will be far greater than what the supply of young workers can provide for. Barring a massive explosion in European populations, workers will be needed. These people will be Africans, Indians, Arabians, and other Asians. People emigrate to work. Will Europe successfully integrate these peoples into their societies? The United States has demonstrated as a nation that it can do this successfully. It's an open question, time will provide the answer.

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MrAmerica
  Jul 8, 07, 15:43  #105

Quoting: Justyna69
Quoting: espana
i would like to know what it is really culture for all of you?

The U.S. celebrates MANY different cultures as we are a melting pot. That;s why in every major city there different sections usually named after that particular culture. We have China town, Greek town, little Italy, etc. THANK GOD nobody was stupid enough to try to start an England town ! I mean who would go out of their way just to eat boiled beef and look at women with crooked teeth and no chins! The last English person with a chin was Churchill and he had SO MANY chins he looked like a Chinese phone book!

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Eurola
  Jul 8, 07, 15:52  #106

Quoting: regionpolski
workers will be needed. These people will be Africans, Indians, Arabians, and other Asians. People emigrate to work.


It is the newcomer to The US who starts at the bottom, and the more established ones are moving up higher to make a room for them. They work hard at first and then move up to work smart, and the cycle continues. The houses are cleaned, the lawns are mowed, old houses are remodeled, new are built, the strawberries cost $1.99 etc... :) No Americans want to work for 6 or 7 dollars or even $10.00

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Bratwurst Boy
  Jul 8, 07, 15:55  #107

Quoting: regionpolski
The low birthrate, and high numbers of older citizens is a problem that was decades in the making, and will take decades to rectify.


One good baby boom would suffice I think :)

In the Hansetown Bremen for example the birthrates got already up for the first time since 20 years (or so)...:)

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Bratwurst Boy
  Jul 8, 07, 15:58  #108

Quoting: regionpolski
These people will be Africans, Indians, Arabians, and other Asians. People emigrate to work.


That too will have to change...not for the sake of already developed Europeans or
Americans but for the sake of those dirt poor, undeveloped countries!

How the hell should these ever make progress when everybody who can emigrates?

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Amathyst
  Jul 8, 07, 16:16  #109

Quoting: MrAmerica
THANK GOD nobody was stupid enough to try to start an England town ! I mean who would go out of their way just to eat boiled beef and look at women with crooked teeth and no chins! The last English person with a chin was Churchill and he had SO MANY chins he looked like a Chinese phone book!


lol, you're too funny :)))))

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southern
  Jul 8, 07, 16:16  #110

Quoting: Eurola
They were "helped" by the Soviets, just like Poland... hehehe.


To be accurate east Germany had to pay war compensations to Soviet Union and was not allowed to acccept the help from Marshall plan.

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southern
Edited by: southern  Jul 8, 07, 16:19  #111

Economists argue that better economic performance of USA is due to less leisure time than in Europe and to much greater flexibility.EU tries to introduce some reforms but many people in Europe do not want any change of the good old model.
The financial compensations of american executives are scandalous by european standards.

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Bratwurst Boy
  Jul 8, 07, 16:22  #112

Quoting: southern

Economists argue that better economic performance of USA is due to less leisure time than in Europe and to much greater flexibility.EU tries to do some reforms but many people in Europe do not want any change of the good old model.


I read interesting stats (no source right now sorry), there was shown that french workers were more productive than their american counterpart despite more holidays and shorter work hours.....

....now where did I read that....*goes looking*

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Justyna69 [Guest]
  Jul 8, 07, 16:31  #113

Quoting: Eurola
Good job Justyna!

thank you Eurola

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Ranj
Edited by: Ranj  Jul 8, 07, 16:36  #114

Quoting: southern
The financial compensations of american executives are scandalous by european standards.

These financial compensations are scandalous even by American Standards!****I'm still waiting for that job offer from Disney****

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MrAmerica
  Jul 8, 07, 16:40  #115

Quoting: Amathyst
you're too funny :)))))

Unfortunately, it's truth, not just humor!

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MrAmerica
  Jul 8, 07, 16:41  #116

How do Europeans feel about Americans????


WHO CARES ANYWAY?

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Justyna69 [Guest]
  Jul 8, 07, 16:48  #117

Quoting: Jaszczolt
you support the kind of thing in Iraq.

what are you talking about? Where did I mention that I'm supporting the war in Iraq? What I'm supporting is the multicultural society. This is the only way to stop the "nazi" movement in the world. Many countries in the world have "nazis" even Poland and I'm very much against it so the only chance I see to avoid this problem is to create a multicultural and open-minded society.

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BubbaWoo
  Jul 8, 07, 16:48  #118

Quoting: MrAmerica
How do Europeans feel about Americans?


bloody foreigners the lot of em

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MrAmerica
  Jul 8, 07, 16:49  #119

How do Europeans feel about Americans?

Obviously there are going to be many different opinions. As America is a melting pot we here in the U.S. are always receiving Europeans with open arms! Of course except for the TWITS that come from England with their kippers and chips! Tea time my butt....tea time is for ninnies. Now her in the U.S. we have TEE time. For all you twits reading this, it's a sport called golf, not a chance for MEN to dress like the queens they are over there!

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MrAmerica
  Jul 8, 07, 16:51  #120

Quoting: BubbaWoo
bloody foreigners the lot of em

Well, isn't that original? At least the funniest thing on our "telly's" isn't a bunch of cross dressing men bowing to the Queen mother!

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