Bilet, controler and the Police.

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Edited by: aphrodisiac Apr 15, 10, 20:14 #61
Havok: I know it’s a silly example,,, in essence this is how you grow/do business here though. indeed, and this is precisely how you want the business to be done anywhere else, correct?

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Apr 15, 10, 20:47 #62

aphrodisiac:

indeed, and this is precisely how you want the business to be done anywhere else, correct?

Nope, it’s not the point.
Laws are different, circumstances etc whatever... the mechanics of what I’m trying to explain can work in a rainforest village. I know it because I have experienced it. Not the rainforest part though. lol

On the other hand, Poland is full of highly educated people with no work experience.
You educate your young and than let them leave to England.
All they do there is wipe a$ses... When they come back to Poland they're still book smart but the only experience they have is in as$ wiping. This is the future of your country.

Do something…

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Apr 15, 10, 21:29 #63

Havok:

All they do there is wipe a$ses...

Why are you writing such nonsense?
You have gone from telling us that you were traumatized as a child, to the terror of the tram service, then called it a ''Nazi soup'' system, now you are telling us about Polish people wiping asses, you're off your head :)
I can see you won't let this go but I just thought I'd do a quick summary because we are on the third page of a very simple matter.

richasisThreads: 5 Posts: 833 Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂	Apr 15, 10, 21:33 #64
Havok: On the other hand, Poland is full of highly educated people with no work experience. In America, we call that 'Affirmative Action'.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 15, 10, 21:37 #65
Affirmative Action, LOL. That sounds about right.

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Edited by: Havok Apr 15, 10, 22:05 #66

SeanBM:

Why are you writing such nonsense?
You have gone from telling us that you were traumatized as a child, to the terror of the tram service, then called it a ''Nazi soup'' system, now you are telling us about Polish people wiping asses, you're off your head :)

Sir SeanBM in your summary you're simply twisting around what I’m really trying to point out.

Your mass transit is a perfect analogy for what's happening there.

Let me tell you what my problem is. I got this job offer, respectful company, nice salary etc. I do my research, talk to people....
Buddy, you have no idea... so much has changed in Poland since 25 years ago. Come on down, you're going to live like a king...

Nothing has changed. People think the same. Laws are all f-ed up, regulations make no sense, people have no experience and on top of that the corruption… It's impossible to do business there in an honest and organized way. No need to fuss guys, one thing led to another. BTW, I didn't mean to offend anyone.

Seanus:

Affirmative Action, LOL. That sounds about right.

You don't understand it and you've never experienced it. You've read about it but that’s about it. Read about employment at-will next.

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Edited by: SeanBM Apr 15, 10, 22:15 #67

Havok:

Nothing has changed. People think the same. Laws are all f-ed up, regulations make no sense, people have no experience and on top of that the corruption… It's impossible to do business there in an honest and organized way. No need to fuss guys, one thing led to another. BTW, I didn't mean to offend anyone.

I would be lying if I said I didn't know what you mean but... I live here and do do business here. It is slowly changing for the better and the country, as a whole, has changed quite dramatically for the better in the 9 odd years I have known her.(I have not lived here for 9 years though).
And most important of all I like the tram system :)
DNZ had the best constructive criticism of the system in my opinion with:

dnz:

Theres no information for non Polish speakers on the trams and buses indicating how the system works

But apart from that, I have yet to read anyone not liking it, except for yourself.
If you could provide evidence of the inefficiency of the system I would be willing to read it but as a passenger, it suits me fine.

Havok:

I didn't mean to offend anyone.

No problem, you are not being offensive, we are just discussing.

HavokThreads: 14 Posts: 1,508 Joined: Mar 12, 10 MEMBER ♂	Apr 15, 10, 22:25 #68
SeanBM: I would be lying if I said I didn't know what you mean but Thank you for being honest.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Edited by: SeanBM Apr 15, 10, 22:29 #69
Havok: Thank you for being honest. Speaking of which, I could never imagine such a system working in Dublin (where I am from), people would never pay. Not that we are dishonest, you understand, it's just we can resist anything but temptation. :)

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Apr 15, 10, 22:46 #70

@love_sunil80Threads: 17, thanks for your words, this was my exact demand from the question.. to know if it counts negatively as the police took my passport information. At first i only gave the controller my international student card so that he could write me a receipt, but the guy was more after that i give him the money in person which was wrong, going with the normal procedure of getting fined... to be very transparent.. this guy was angry that the money i had to give him was not enough, and his expression was bad, he insisted i should go to the ATM for more at such hour, but i refused and said he should give me the paper to pay at the office to put him on the right track of letting me go... the next thing he did was to call the Police... painting a picture that he caught a fugitive who refused to activate his ticket. This was how the Police came into the scene...

sausagesmuggler	Apr 15, 10, 23:42 #71
I think you are a thieving gypsy and you got caught! Pay the fine and hope that future attempts are more successful

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Edited by: aphrodisiac Apr 17, 10, 15:50 #72

Havok:

Your mass transit is a perfect analogy for what's happening there.

that would be easy to say but the reality is more complex then you are trying to paint it I think.

Havok:

Let me tell you what my problem is. I got this job offer, respectful company, nice salary etc. I do my research, talk to people....
Buddy, you have no idea... so much has changed in Poland since 25 years ago. Come on down, you're going to live like a king...

Nothing has changed. People think the same. Laws are all f-ed up, regulations make no sense, people have no experience and on top of that the corruption… It's impossible to do business there in an honest and organized way. No need to fuss guys, one thing led to another. BTW, I didn't mean to offend anyone.

so this is what you should have said at the beginning instead of banging on about the system. You don't accept how things are run in Poland. Get over it.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Apr 17, 10, 16:33 #73
Honestdude: This was how the Police came into the scene You are very clearly lying. Ticket inspectors are paid per person they catch, they simply will not wait around for the police to turn up. For them time is money.

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Apr 17, 10, 20:41 #74

SeanBM:

Speaking of which, I could never imagine such a system working in Dublin (where I am from), people would never pay.

It works fine on the LUAS, doesn't it?

Honestdude:

At first i only gave the controller my international student card so that he could write me a receipt, but the guy was more after that i give him the money in person which was wrong, going with the normal procedure of getting fined... to be very transparent.. this guy was angry that the money i had to give him was not enough, and his expression was bad, he insisted i should go to the ATM for more at such hour, but i refused and said he should give me the paper to pay at the office to put him on the right track of letting me go... the next thing he did was to call the Police... painting a picture that he caught a fugitive who refused to activate his ticket. This was how the Police came into the scene...

Without an ID card confirming an address in Poland (or a driving licence) - then you don't have the option of receiving a receipt. It's pretty simple - only those with a valid Polish address (and an ID to back this up) have the option of paying later. Come on, do you really think someone from France for instance is going to pay a Polish public transport fine if they didn't give a Polish address?

I dare say the police simply took your passport details to make sure that you paid the fine.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Edited by: SeanBM Apr 17, 10, 22:29 #75
delphiandomine: It works fine on the LUAS, doesn't it? Ha, yes you're right, of course... Things have changed

guzzlerThreads: 6 Posts: 165 Joined: Mar 28, 10 ♂	Apr 17, 10, 22:54 #76
Do people over sixty receive free travel on public transport, as we do in Britain and Ireland in Britain it is called a "Freedom Pass." Which allows travel on buses trains, and tube trains within a given radius out of rush hour.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Apr 17, 10, 23:09 #77
guzzler: Do people over sixty receive free travel on public transport, I don't think so, it is a great idea.

kondziorThreads: 2 Posts: 441 Joined: Oct 16, 09 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 20:46 #78
In Poland, when you are over seventy. At the very least it is the case in Bielsko- Biała. On buses. Rush hour or not. The trains, they pay 1/2. My father crossed this line a year ago. Not sure about trams, as there are no trams in Bielsko.

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Aug 7, 11, 00:27 #79

Check out NY city. If it works for 300 000 000 people here i'm sure it would work for 40 000 000 people in Poland.

I had no idea that there are 300,000,000 ppl in NY city.

I guess it's true that non-New Yorkers say about New Yorkers. That is that they think that NY is the center of the universe and that they must tell everyone that they are from NY as to impress others.

SO that makes 11,000,000 other ppl living in the rest of the country right?

I just don't get why the tram cops don't bother riding the trams all hours of operation and get the little effers that are scratching the glass for no good reason and tagging any available surface.

http : / /thingsofdesire.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/michel-de-broin.jpg

really???? where is the pleasure in doing such vandalism? What does it accomplish?

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Nov 14, 11, 12:36 #80

Why do Polish people always want to do things correctly? when society itself isn't correct?
My friend she put 5zl in a machine to get a ticket, no ticket, then she put 20zl in, still no ticket, then she has to go to work, gets on a bus,
and then meets a ticket twat, and SHE gets a ticket!

mpk blame the company whose machine it is, pigging thick isn't it?
So if the bus breaks down, mpk will not take responsibility, the prats will blame the makers of the bus, Volvo or Mercedes,
even though it was 20yrs ago when they were purchased!

A word of advice people if you cannot afford to buy a car, arm yourself with 3 things

* A bus ticket - laminated (I was carrying one of these for 2yrs before I got a car!)
* Pepper spray - to spray their stupid faces
* A camera - to take a picture of them

Simply pepper their face and tell them to "get a real job!" - be sure to take a picture so we can all see what they look like.
We need a website shaming these people!

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Nov 14, 11, 14:41 #81
subarumad: and then meets a ticket twat, and SHE gets a ticket! she should have learnt a lesson after losing 5zl and then found another machine. simple really.

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