Cannabis in Poland... How much does marijuana cost per gram in Poland?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 1, 10, 01:55 #241
It really makes you feel alive :) The atmospherics take on a whole new dimension :)

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Aug 1, 10, 11:37 #242

smurf:

Personally, I think it would be a good thing to decriminalise, I think it'd be even better to fully legalise, then the govt could tax and control it and use it as another revenue stream.

Yup.

If we legalized all drugs, then the drugs will become virtually worthless, and smuggling will no longer be necessary. This will reduce drug-related violence between rivalling dealers to almost zero, and it will very likely put some criminal, aswell as terrorist organisations out of business.

If the drugs are distributed by an apothecary or drugstore then the distributors can ensure quality, which means that the drugs will be pure, and be less of a hazard to the health of the people who use drugs. Information concerning health can be provided with the products aswell. Addicted customers can be monitored and registered, which means the distributor can decrease their dose step by step. People who use drugs will be less likely to get violent, end up homeless, and will no longer have to steal or even prostitute themselves for their shots. People who shoot won't have to share their needles anymore, which will reduce the spread of HIV and a variety of other diseases. Oh, and don't forget about the age limit!

If taxes are paid over all these drugs legally, then this will mean billions of extra income for the government. It will also mean that less tax money will be wasted on the war on drugs, and it will probably save a lot of lives of a lot of Police Officers, which in turn, will be able to focus on other violent crimes, although I'm convinced that the crime rates will drop by atleast 50% if all the crime that's involved with drugs will cease to exist.

And last but not least; Doing drugs will no longer be vieuwed as something illegal, so to a lot of young and rebellious people who are seeking the thrills and the kicks of doing something that's obviously not allowed, it might not appeal that much, or even seem adventurous anymore.

Oh, and to all the people who oppose legalization; People who want to use drugs will use it anyway. By opposing legalization, you're actually helping the criminals to make money, you're keeping all the dealers on the streets, and since the quality of their drugs is really poor, some drugs might even be deadly in the smallest dose.

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Edited by: Babinich Aug 1, 10, 11:54 #243

A J:

And last but not least; Doing drugs will no longer be vieuwed as something illegal, so to a lot of young and rebellious people who are seeking the thrills and the kicks of doing something that's obviously not allowed, it might not appeal that much, or even seem adventurous anymore.

Which do you propose to legalize? Do you propose a limits? At or under 'x' legal; over 'x' illegal?

If drugs are legalized will drug usage increase or decrease?

Czarnkow1940Threads: 11 Posts: 167 Joined: Mar 5, 10 ♂	Aug 1, 10, 11:59 #244
smurf: will it happen? Yes smurf: Should it happen? No what kind of sane person would want to do this if your going to legalize it why don't the government just give it to the kids for free so they don't have to pay for it.

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Aug 1, 10, 12:35 #245

Babinich:

If drugs are legalized will drug usage increase or decrease?

Drug usage is increasing anyway, despite strong drug laws in most countries. With legalisation, the one thing sure to decrease is the huge profit that organised criminals are making from smuggling and sale, and the collateral crime of addicts robbing people and their homes in order to pay an extortionate price, for an intrinsically cheap product, to the mafia.

The state pays for rebabilitation anyway - why not get some of the money back through tax revenue. Not to mention the huge costs of carrying out the failed 'war on drugs'.

After all, alcohol and nicotine are extremely dangerous drugs, but nobody suggests driving them underground and thereby depriving the government of excise duty and at the same time enriching criminals.

If you don't approve of legalisation, you therefore support throwing ever larger amounts of public money into trying to stop something that experience has shown cannot be stopped.

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Edited by: A J Aug 1, 10, 12:38 #246

Babinich:

If drugs are legalized will drug usage increase or decrease?

Well, in Holland, about 3,3 % smokes Canabis, about 0,3% sniffs Cocaine and about 0.4% swallows Ecstasy pills frequently. Only a few individuals still use Heroine, which is basically seen as a drug for losers among the younger generation. The usage of the party-drug GHB however, is said to increase. I don't have any actual or hard figures on GHB, but I suspect it's about as popular as Ecstacy. If I have to believe these reports, I think about 4,5% to 4,6% of our total population uses drugs frequently. All in all, the use of drugs has decreased among the whole population.

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Aug 1, 10, 12:46 #247

A J:

Well, in Holland, about 3,3 % smokes Canabis, about 0,3% sniffs Cocaine and about 0.4% swallows Ecstasy pills frequently. Only a few individuals still use Heroine, which is basically seen as a drug for losers among the younger generation. The usage of the party-drug GHB however, is said to increase. I don't have any actual or hard figures on GHB, but I suspect it's about as popular as Ecstacy. If I have to believe these reports, I think about 4,5% to 4,6% of our total population uses drugs frequently. All in all, the use of drugs has decreased among the whole population.

But in the end, it's all just a personal decision anyway right? Doing it in your own home? Not bothering anyone? Go ahead and tap a vein. Come rob my house, I'll shoot you. It's win win.

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Aug 1, 10, 12:50 #248

A J:

A J

AJ, I'd vote for you man :-)
Some really well well made and articulate points,
good on ya.

Babinich:

If drugs are legalized will drug usage increase or decrease?

It may peak after the first year or so of legalisation but then it after the initial period of curiosity it would level out.
THe thing to remember is that were drugs legalised then it would bring far less health problems to users as

A J:

A J

wrote in his post

Czarnkow1940:

No what kind of sane person would want to do this if your going to legalize it why don't the government just give it to the kids for free so they don't have to pay for it.

naw, i think you're just trying to stir some sh*t with a comment like that

It's totally irresponsibile to give drugs, actually any drug, be it weed, tobacco, magic mushrooms or alcohol to a person who's body has not reached full development. Society deems that age to be 18, 21 in some countries, and indeed 16 in some other countries.
Plus it's the government, if they can't even make public transport free they're hardly going to give a substance away for free when they can earn extra revenue by taxing it.

I put a link to a documentary in an earlier post, I'd urge people to watch it. Most of the commentators at the end of the movie agree that legalisation will happen, it's really just a matter of time. I hope it comes sooner rather than later, because I don't want to be 50 years old and having to buy my weed off some ******* criminal and run the risk of being arrested for smoking a substance which has absolutely no proof whatsoever of being harmful.

A point they make in the movie is that if marijuana were harmful we would certainly have seen the effects on society by now and we haven't

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Aug 1, 10, 12:57 #249

smurf:

I hope it comes sooner rather than later, because I don't want to be 50 years old and having to buy my weed off some ******* criminal and run the risk of being arrested for smoking a substance which has absolutely no proof whatsoever of being harmful.

Ofcourse it's harmful (when smoked), but that's not the point. Personal risk management should be up to the individual. Same with cigarettes, they are harmful, some of us choose to accept the risk. Fair enough. I'd like to see some unbiased research for once.. If it's out in the open, we can mitigate the negative effects of smoking it with things like vaporizers and ingestion (mmm, cannabutter). More info = smarter and healthier populace.

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Aug 1, 10, 13:06 #250

smurf:

It may peak after the first year or so of legalisation but then it after the initial period of curiosity it would level out.

Which drugs are we talking about? Will curiosity be enough to break the habit? Aren't we talking about the possibility peer pressure, physical and mental addiction?

smurf:

He thing to remember is that were drugs legalised then it would bring far less health problems to users as

A J

smurf:

wrote in his post

Are you saying that possible lung damage, slowing of motor skills, the impact on pregnant women would lead to far less health related problems?

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Aug 1, 10, 13:09 #251
Babinich: Are you saying that possible lung damage, slowing of motor skills, the impact on pregnant women would lead to far less health related problems? That segment of the population would otherwise smoke and drink anyway, the people that are that messed up are already doing meth while dropping out little sex trophies.

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Aug 1, 10, 13:20 #252

convex:

Ofcourse it's harmful (when smoked), but that's not the point. Personal risk management should be up to the individual. Same with cigarettes, they are harmful, some of us choose to accept the risk. Fair enough. I'd like to see some unbiased research for once.. If it's out in the open, we can mitigate the negative effects of smoking it with things like vaporizers and ingestion (mmm, cannabutter). More info = smarter and healthier populace.

It's only harmful when smoked/mixed with tobacco.
Seriously check the documentary I linked above. It uses many official research projects in it's arguments.
BUt yea cannabutter is prety great, we used to mix it with yops, it's a drinkable yogurt. good times, but it was hash so it would have actually been harmful

Babinich:

Which drugs are we talking about? Will curiosity be enough to break the habit? Aren't we talking about the possibility peer pressure, physical and mental addiction?

Marijuana has absolutely no addictive effects. The post title is marijuana so that's what I'm talking about.

Babinich:

Are you saying that possible lung damage, slowing of motor skills, the impact on pregnant women would lead to far less health related problems?

Again, if you take the time to watch the documentary you'll see that marijuana has no harmful effects on people, so long as it's smoked in it's pure form, so no tobacco and no hash/resin, just the plant itself.

The slowing of motor skills, well, yea thats obvious, I mean you wouldn't drive after drinkin so they same would apply for smoking.
Re: pregnant women then they shouldn't smoke while pregnant, just like the shouldn't drink during the nine months
Their bodies are able for it but the developing child's body isn't, same as alcohol & tobacco

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Aug 1, 10, 13:25 #253

smurf:

It's only harmful when smoked/mixed with tobacco.
Seriously check the documentary I linked above. It uses many official research projects in it's arguments.
BUt yea cannabutter is prety great, we used to mix it with yops, it's a drinkable yogurt. good times, but it was hash so it would have actually been harmful

It depends on how the hash was made, and if something was mixed into it. Hash itself, whether traditional or bubble hash, isn't harmful at all.

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Aug 1, 10, 13:30 #254

Negative side effects commonly reported by GHB users:
dizziness (76%)
blurred vision (74%)
hot/cold flushes (65%)
vomiting (53%)
profuse sweating (58%)
loss of consciousness (50%)
blackouts/memory lapses (45%)
tremors and shakes (47%)
shortness of breath (38%)
headache (38%)
heart palpitations (32%)
fit/seizure (8%)
The long term effects of GHB: addiction (more of the drug needed to get the same effects), loss of coordination due to loss of muscle tone, difficulty concentrating, desire to sleep, deep sedation from which the victim cannot be awakened by any means for about three hours, and in many cases, death.

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Aug 1, 10, 13:34 #255

convex:

It depends on how the hash was made, and if something was mixed into it. Hash itself, whether traditional or bubble hash, isn't harmful at all.

Well you'd have to sift all the seeds out of it and remove all the stalks. The way I say it made was that everything was just lobbed into a pot and "cooked".
The thing is with hash you never really know what you're getting and what has been added to it, I've seen reports that has toxoligy reports saying that they sometimes add diesel, rat poison, grounded up fine glass and even heroin to the mix.

When i read that I swore I'd never smoke hash again.

But i do understand that homemade hash made of just the buds and leaves would be harmless, so long as smoked thru a pipe or bong

Czarnkow1940Threads: 11 Posts: 167 Joined: Mar 5, 10 ♂	Aug 1, 10, 13:39 #256
convex: naw, i think you're just trying to stir some sh*t with a comment like that I was being sarcastic if you didn't notice :)

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Edited by: convex Aug 1, 10, 13:44 #257

smurf:

Well you'd have to sift all the seeds out of it and remove all the stalks.

Seeds? Should only have ladies to begin with :) Traditionally buds are just sifted smaller and smaller until you end up with a nice little pile of beautiful trichomes.

Bubble hash is made by throwing all your leftovers after your harvest into a bucket of water and filtering down. Nothing wrong with that either :)

Any better ideas on what to do with your trimmings?

Czarnkow1940:

I was being sarcastic if you didn't notice :)

Not my quote... Mine are usually a bit more spiteful :)

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09 ♂	Aug 1, 10, 13:53 #258
convex: Any better ideas on what to do with your trimmings? Brownies?

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Aug 1, 10, 13:56 #259
ShawnH: Brownies? you would have to eat them like a salad to get anything at all.

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Aug 1, 10, 13:57 #260

Polonius3:

Negative side effects commonly reported by GHB users:

GHB? Isn't that used in date-rape? Why would anybody take that?

convex:

Should only have ladies to begin with

yea true, forgot about that, yea well as I said if nothing's been added to it then it'd be exactly the same as smoking the bud/leaf

Czarnkow1940:

I was being sarcastic if you didn't notice :)

I didn't and i apologise, my bad. Can we get that sarcasm sign installed here somwhere with the polish letters :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_punctuation#Irony_mark

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09 ♂	Aug 1, 10, 14:03 #261
convex: you would have to eat them like a salad to get anything at all. OK, what about a nice cuppa tea then?

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Edited by: convex Aug 1, 10, 14:28 #262
ShawnH: OK, what about a nice cuppa tea then? You'd still need a massive amount of trimmings. That's the nice thing about bubble hash, you begin with a garbage bag full of left overs, and end up with everything salvageable condensed into a nice little clump.

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09 ♂	Aug 1, 10, 14:29 #263
convex: You'd still need a massive amount of trimmings. Well you can see what my past-time isnt :-)

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Aug 1, 10, 15:33 #264
Point is, why the hell is it illegal? How about making acting like an idiot illegal and punish people that break the law? Even harshly if you want.

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Aug 1, 10, 15:34 #265

Babinich:

Are you saying that possible lung damage, slowing of motor skills, the impact on pregnant women would lead to far less health related problems?

Nice twist of words there, but I was talking about hard-drugs aswell, and about the quality of the current illegal drugs as opposed to the quality of a natural and pure, uncut and preferably checked product. (I never said it was good for you!) I'm sure you've heard of Chronic or Hydro before? Well, that's what they call weed and sell to people on the streets sometimes. (Full of chemicals.) I'm simply pointing out that legal and controlled drugs will be less of a risk to the health of the people who choose to use these, but if you want to compare Crack to pure Cocaine then be my guest.

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Edited by: MareGaea Aug 1, 10, 15:46 #266

Babinich:

If drugs are legalized will drug usage increase or decrease?

I don't think so. I think the "kick" of doing sth illegal will be taken away and many youngsters will go look for sth else to do and the number of ppl who enjoy using it will remain doing so anyway. You're just taking away (a part of) the criminal world and will be able to focus more on the real perpetrators like dealers, hard drugs and producers. This is the way we do it in NL and we probably have the best drugs policy of the entire world with far less drugs-related problems than any other country. Our police simply says: we don't have the manpower to go after every joint-smoking teenager, so we just leave them be. That's why if you're caught in NL with less than 5 grammes (don't know the exact amount, but it's probably somewhere around that), police will give the hash back to you. However, if you're caught with more than the given amount, you'll be in deep shyt as any amount bigger than that is not considered for personal use anymore, but as possession with intent to deal. And then you go to jail. And you might not want to be caught with a little ball of cocain in your pocket either.

And besides, if you smoke pure grass/weed/whatever it's called, without tobacco (yes, you can smoke it without tobacco) it's not even physically addictive. In my life I smoked less than 10 joints and I am not addicted to it. I just don't like it myself, but if sb else likes it, I don't have any problem with it.

Edit: Hashish is considered a pain-relief in cases of arthritis.

>^..^<

M-G (anyone wants to buy?)

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Aug 1, 10, 15:52 #267

By keeping pot illegal
the governments can maintain social control,allows permission for random urine samples on workers, make huge profits from the high prices. Right wing parties can get elected by saying it a lethal drug. Will stop the mainstream getting stoned and tuning out of consumerist society.
All though the future with peak oil,the collapse of currencies,water shortage etc etc. I think the war on weed will slacken due to economic reasons.

A JThreads: 19 Posts: 4,639 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Aug 1, 10, 16:03 #268
milky: Right wing parties can get elected by saying it a lethal drug. Yeah, and Santa is real. ;)

optsThreads: 12 Posts: 333 Joined: Jul 29, 06 ♂	Edited by: opts Aug 1, 10, 16:33 #269
I favor the approach adopted by some countries in Asia: executing people who posses and sell drugs. This approach would eliminate the drug problem in Poland.

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Aug 1, 10, 16:54 #270

convex:

why the hell is it illegal?

...because BigSisterGovernment knows what's best for us. Locking up people for smoking a plant is absurd.

milky:

By keeping pot illegal
the governments can maintain social control,allows permission for random urine samples on workers,

Wait until marijuana users on put on waiting lists for health care treatment when Obamacare kicks in. The Orwellian state loves this sort of control.

milky:

Right wing parties can get elected by saying it a lethal drug.

You inhaled once too often. Everyone knows marijuana is not lethal.

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