Medical Malpractice in Poland Question

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Oct 24, 11, 22:11 #121

magpie:

Sorry, it was actually aimed at wielka pan.

Thanks, understand that Poland compares pretty well to medical systems of other countries, keeping in mind that Poland is not as rich as those countries, I'm sure a person living in the Ukraine would view the health system in Poland as excellent, people like you magpie have strange expectations, which I find very annoying. Horror stories in the hosptial system occur everywhere. If you want something better well its only a question of digging a bit deeper in your pocket and forking out. I just find it disgusting that a foreigner would be critical of the public health system, If a pole was critical of the public health system in GB etc he would be told to go back where he came from.

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Edited by: magpie Oct 24, 11, 22:34 #122

polmed:

If you claim that you are so wealthy , why does your wife depend on public system

The wealth comment was tongue in cheek. But for the record, she has asked at least two of the specialists if she should be seen privately - at my suggestion as her health is more important than any money we may have saved - and was told not to bother by said doctors. She has, BTW seen two of them privately prior to being put into the system, which had more to do with expediency and paid. Each visit was approx 125zl and a receipt was issued.

Unless you pay for medical treatment at Harley st / 'expat' centric style treatment, you have no choice to use public hospitals, as we have been told by the doctors, but their knowledge might not be on the same level as your jingoism.

wielki pan:

If a pole was critical of the public health system in GB etc he would be told to go back where he came from.

But even if he is correct? You're no doubt correct, but telling people to go as soon as they point out perceived shortcomings isn't very constructive either. Do that in the new world and there'd be no one left in it.

Again, the treatment is not for me, but for my wife. Short of an emergency, I'd be happy to go back to the UK to be treated, I'm not fussed either way. The irony there being that no doubt the Daily Mail brigade would say 'Look at him, lives overseas but comes back here for health treatment.' Both arguments ignore the fact that tax payers fund the system.

The other thing is that none of my Polish friends - apart from a SIL who says all emigrants are traitors (unquote) - have taken offence. then again, a face to face conversation can't really be replicated in forum.

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Oct 24, 11, 23:14 #123

wielki pan:

I just find it disgusting that a foreigner would be critical of the public health system

Disgusting? Your feigned indignation is pathetic and your thought process is revolting. It suggests one accept incompetence should a loved one be the victim of it. It suggests a person's right to say what they think changes depending on if they are "from" a place or not.

How about if they go to a place then return to where they were born, then would it be okay to criticize some aspect of life in the other country? Does it change depending on how much money the spent there? What would it depend on?
These are still rhetorical- you cannot answer them without your thought process coming off more childish and simplistic than it already is.

polmedThreads: 2 Posts: 274 Joined: Sep 25, 11 ♀	Oct 24, 11, 23:17 #124
JonnyM: on the basis of your profile photo You don`t have to look at my photo ! What are you blabbering about ? You are so ......./........ but I dont comment about your look . I really don`t care what you think about me . So leave your comments for yourself . Why is my look so big issue for you ?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 24, 11, 23:18 #125
Are you a victim of medical/surgical malpractice, polonthemeds? I was just wondering. You seem to be interested in the thread.

polmedThreads: 2 Posts: 274 Joined: Sep 25, 11 ♀	Oct 24, 11, 23:32 #126
Seanus: Are you a victim of medical/surgical malpractice, polonthemeds? I I see that you are reading my posts with such an interest which cant be compared to any other poster . Your wife would be jealous of your attention of my person , Sean , if she found out the amount of time you devote to me .

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Oct 24, 11, 23:33 #127
can we stick to the correct usernames, please. it may be seen as insulting to do otherwise. thank you.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 24, 11, 23:48 #128
No, I doubt it. Now, please answer the thread.

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Oct 24, 11, 23:55 #129

Foreigner4:

Disgusting? Your feigned indignation is pathetic and your thought process is revolting. It suggests one accept incompetence should a loved one be the victim of it. It suggests a person's right to say what they think changes depending on if they are "from" a place or not.

lol... when you came to Poland you must have done your homework and worked out what the medical system was like, options
1. Accept it... 2... take out private cover.3... shake the dust off your shoes and leave.. There are many people who love Poland and or would love to live there. You are pathetic... what right have you being a quest of a country to have such a attitude...

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Oct 25, 11, 12:07 #130

wielki pan:

lol... when you came to Poland you must have done your homework and worked out what the medical system was like

For 4 has clearly had a loved one who has sufferred at the hands of a Polish medical professional to the extent that he is asking for advice as to what his legal position might be in taking the hospital to court for its negligence. You appear to find this funny.

You are clearly a dumb son of a b!tch

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Oct 25, 11, 12:15 #131
hythorn: You are clearly a dumb son of a b!tch sounds about right;)

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Edited by: PWEI Oct 25, 11, 12:33 #132

wielki pan:

options 1. Accept it... 2... take out private cover.3... shake the dust off your shoes and leave.

When I pay for something and get a shiitty product in return, I will complain about it. If you don't like it, I don't care.

wielki pan:

what right have you being a quest of a country to have such a attitude...

Says the man who says that only the insane rely on the Polish medical system.

aphrodisiac:

hythorn: You are clearly a dumb son of a b!tch

sounds about right;)

Not quite: the word hypocritical needs to be added to the sentence.

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Oct 25, 11, 13:45 #133

PWEI:

Yawn. Please don't pluck numbers from the air to support whatever rubbish you're banging on about now: according to the Economist Intelligence Unit Poland spent an estimated 7.1% of GDP on healthcare in 2010 (source).

peterweg:
Agreed, after all, the Polish system does really cost anything in taxes. You are not paying for the public system.

Really? So if the Polish taxpayer isn't paying for it, who does pay for it? And remember that last time I checked fewer than half the people in Poland actually pay any tax.

2% of the spend (28billion zloty) on healthcare is PRIVATE not public http://www.wbj.pl/article-52858-is-polish-healthcare-largely-private.h tml

The remainder, 5% is public. Which partly explains the confusing figures.

The UK is 8-12% depending on who you believe, so per capita spending is at least 4x poland and its still considered crap by some.

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Edited by: peterweg Oct 25, 11, 13:53 #134

Stu:

Surely Monia doesn't want to make us believe that GP's (or even specialists in a hospital) in Poland earn that much, does she? To be honest ... I wouldn't be surprised if the GP's over here make about 10% of that.

Student nurses start at 2000-2500 per month. Senior Nurses are going to earn double or triple that.

Doctors earn several times as much again, so 20k per month seems probable; and its the figure my wife quoted.

wielki pan:

I just find it disgusting that a foreigner would be critical of the public health system, If a pole was critical of the public health system in GB etc he would be told to go back where he came from.

Seems to be a commonly held view amongst hospital staff that Poland's system is very underfunded and a bit **** as a result. Poles are quite welcome to criticise the NHS, along with the rest of the British who also like to complain about it.

However my wife was shocked on how good British hospitals were in comparison to Poland.

PWEIThreads: 5 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 28, 11 ♂	Oct 25, 11, 13:58 #135
peterweg: Student nurses start at 2000-2500 per month. Senior Nurses are going to earn double or triple that. Are you saying that Polish nurses start at PLN 2000-2500 per month?

polmedThreads: 2 Posts: 274 Joined: Sep 25, 11 ♀	Oct 25, 11, 14:16 #136
hythorn: asking for advice as to what his legal position might be in taking the hospital to court for its negligence. It is very suspicious that he expects to get such legal advice on the internet forum instead of going to a lawyer .

PWEIThreads: 5 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 28, 11 ♂	Oct 25, 11, 14:22 #137
polmed: It is very suspicious that he expects to get such legal advice on the internet forum instead of going to a lawyer . He'll definitely get better legal advice here than he would from a certain supposed lawyer who answers to the name Sanrise.

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Oct 25, 11, 15:01 #138

For4 is a decent guy and is doing the right thing by asking for opinions rather than just forking out for legal advice without seeing if he has a hope of winning in court

I remember reading about the nurses in a hospital (I think it was Lodz) who were taking photographs of premature babies holding them in their pockets. These were babies that were born months premature and they would stand there with a tiny baby in their breast pocket

they were all sacked, every last one of them. Then reinstated.

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Oct 25, 11, 17:41 #139

I've already received information from some of you that is very helpful in corroborating the veracity of other information.

wielki pan: you couldn't have chosen a more ironic nickname for yourself. pwei and hythorn stated it as succinctly as it could be done- good job guys:)

Polmed: What's suspicious about what I've done?
Is that the best you can do? When solid criticism is put forth, you just throw out a blanket statement of my seeking information in one was as suspicious? It'd be suspicious if I spent a lot of energy towards legal matters when the medical situation is ongoing. You are being defensive, no one is criticizing you personally. No one is accusing you of doing a bad job. You, considering your chosen profession, ought to be more objective.

peterwegThreads: 35 Posts: 1,989 Joined: Feb 16, 07 ♂	Edited by: peterweg Oct 25, 11, 20:05 #140
PWEI: Are you saying that Polish nurses start at PLN 2000-2500 per month? No, I was mistaken. 1700-2000 is the starting depending on where and what they are doing.

blediThreads: 3 Posts: 26 Joined: Oct 22, 11 ♂	Oct 25, 11, 20:21 #141
Wow and I was thinking that these things exists only in Albania!!!!

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Oct 25, 11, 22:40 #142

Foreigner4:

wielki pan: you couldn't have chosen a more ironic nickname for yourself. pwei and hythorn stated it as succinctly as it could be done- good job guys

Good example that the pen is mightier than the sword!! Sorry to have stretched the friendship Foreigner4 I have have not attacked you personally, just stating a point of view.. Malpractice in the medical system occurs in every country, theres probally more claims in a country like the United States. I hold my ground in what I have said, like in any other country people who can afford it should take out private cover, everyone knows that Hospitals in Poland are no 5 star hotels, no toilet paper, have to buy your own medications, if fact a lot of people have their meal and bed sheets brought in by family or friends... we all know that... it has always been the case. I don't like hearing people having a one eye opinion of the Hospital system as I don't like people saying Poland has the worst drivers including having ones cars damaged only occurs in that country.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Oct 25, 11, 22:53 #143
wielki pan: if fact a lot of people have their meal and bed sheets brought in by family or friends... some folks might have extra meals brought in by family/friends, but Polish hospitals don't starve anyone. sometimes the food is ok. i've never heard of or seen anyone using their own bedding. i speak as someone who has been through the system more than once.

wielki panThreads: 3 Posts: 278 Joined: Jan 7, 11 ♂	Oct 25, 11, 23:09 #144
Wroclaw: some folks might have extra meals brought in by family/friends, but Polish hospitals don't starve anyone. sometimes the food is ok.i've never heard of or seen anyone using their own bedding. Sure, one of my relatives was in hospital (small town) we had to change her sheets and bring additional food not a nice place to be in but nothing wrong with the hospital staff..

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Oct 25, 11, 23:30 #145

wielki pan:

I don't like hearing people having a one eye opinion of the Hospital system as I don't like people saying Poland has the worst drivers including having ones cars damaged only occurs in that country.

You seem to have created a persona which comes to the imaginary rescue of all things Polish whether legitimately criticized or not. You've been hearing what you want to hear. Not once did I write anything negative about anything except an ASPECT of the hospital system WHICH TREATED TWO POLISH PEOPLE. And I commented on an ASPECT of driving in Poland. You interpreted that to mean something else and is a mark against your ability to process the written word.

wielki pan:

Malpractice in the medical system occurs in every country

So what? Should a person accept it when it happens to them because it "occurs in every country?"

wielki pan:

Sorry to have stretched the friendship Foreigner4 I have have not attacked you personally, just stating a point of view.

There was no friendship and you can make whatever personal attacks you want on me as a) they amount to p*ss all b) it demonstrates you never managed to comprehend anything beyond what you imagined was written.

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Oct 26, 11, 05:50 #146

Foreigner4:

you just throw out a blanket statement of my seeking information in one was as suspicious? It'd be suspicious if I spent a lot of energy towards legal matters when the medical situation is ongoing. You are being defensive, no one is criticizing you personally. No one is accusing you of doing a bad job. You, considering your chosen profession, ought to be more objective.

I think you have a chip on your shoulder.

Foreigner4Threads: 22 Posts: 1,984 Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂	Edited by: Foreigner4 Oct 26, 11, 22:08 #147
I think you have an inability to discern the difference between observation and comment. Go back to the stands and do what you're good at.

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