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Monia  Aug 4, 11, 12:02    #271
I know lots of nice Polish people, but generally they're not very nice people.


This is a very blunt comment from you ." Not very nice "- can you explain , why ? Or it is just an assumption that people are not nice, because they don`t look at you with artificially glued false smile meaning nothing but obtuseness.

I think that Polish students , in terms of the level of knowledge required, are very well educated .
Polish primary or high school students when they move to USA are placed , on average, two years in advance after passing evaluating tests . And so, it proves something Do not be such a critic to the Polish life , because it is an attitude, that will not help and even prevent from assimilating . People are generally polite and maybe do not understand your attitude here or maybe you always try to say "that we , over there in USA do these thing this way : .........." , such attitude meets with obvious instant objection . Poles doesn`t like to be advised in their own country:) .

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Edited by: grubas  Aug 4, 11, 12:16    #272
Well,he has a point.People in Poland could learn a thing or two from Americans.Last time I visited Poland I opened and held the door for some Polish women.Now,in the US she would say "Thank you" and I would respond "You'r welcome" or "My pleasure" (If she was hot).Guess what,this Polish "princess" just walked thru without even looking at me and I was staying there in a deep shock thinking "WTF?".
Monia  Aug 4, 11, 12:29    #273
So, I am sorry for you , but not all of them are like that . Some people are rude and with bad manners . This happens in every country . But don`t generalize by one example all women here . I am shocked when I see men entering the doors without letting women to get in first , it happens . But in general men keep the door for me , when I enter . I always say thank you :). It is very individualistic matter how you were raised at home :).
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 Aug 4, 11, 12:48    #274
I think that Polish students , in terms of the level of knowledge required, are very well educated .


Agreed, the same is seen elsewhere - Polish students, in terms of raw knowledge, do rate very highly.
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 Aug 4, 11, 13:27    #275
Monia my wife is Polish, my kids were born in Poland and I lived and worked there for eight years, so yes I think I can say a thing or two about it. There's no way that I would say "Poland you suck!" I had some really great experiences there. Whenever I'd go home to the States, I'd also get irritated at things there. Six of one, half a dozen of another.

The discussion about education is too subjective, really. All Poles I talk to prefer their system, and all non-Poles prefer their own system. Hard to have a good discussion. The one thing that was annoying about having this discussion was, though, that it was next to impossible to get a Pole to give the advantage of knowing the capital of every country. Yes we can cite stupid Americans on YouTube and of course George Bush, but is your average Polish doctor, teacher, policeman more capable in their duties? I've been looking for the answer to this question for years.
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 Aug 4, 11, 13:56    #276
The discussion about education is too subjective, really. All Poles I talk to prefer their system, and all non-Poles prefer their own system. Hard to have a good discussion. The one thing that was annoying about having this discussion was, though, that it was next to impossible to get a Pole to give the advantage of knowing the capital of every country. Yes we can cite stupid Americans on YouTube and of course George Bush, but is your average Polish doctor, teacher, policeman more capable in their duties? I've been looking for the answer to this question for years.


my husband is Polish and went to highschool and university in Canada. We prefer the Canadian system. Not to say that the Polish system is crap but I think there are better opportunities with a western education. my kids both go to private school so if we move back to Canada they will not be lacking. I think that the Polish school system has yet to evolve from communism. The teachers are poorly paid and have little resources. There is no thinking outside the box--ultimately it reflects on their teaching skills. Of course, not all teachers are bad--but when you have a room full of mouthy children and poor pay.....tough job.
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 Aug 4, 11, 14:40    #277
You will be fine. Go for it. Life is too short to sit on your ass. Try something new. With $3000 you will be fine, majority of polish nationals earn $600. Europe is a different world, so much to see, history, culture, food. I am a pole married to american girl living in Philly. Every time we go to Poland we have a blast. Do not miss the Malbork Castle!!!! The largest castle I have ever seen. Built by the Teutonic Knights. All best to you and your wife!
Monia  Aug 4, 11, 17:33    #278
I've been looking for the answer to this question for years.


Maybe they will not answer you properly , it depends on the person , but the system requires it . So, all depends from the individual level of educational level of a person . But our system gives such opportunity, , while the American does not . Your educational system does not let an average person to learn history and geography on the level is taught here . The same with phisics , chemistry and math . If someone goes to higher education institutions he should know basic information which Polish students learn at school at compulsory level . Geography is not all about cities and countries . It is about how the earth was formed , what is it built from , earth movements , how climate works etc . So it teaches you simple things about your living environment . I think that a person who becomes a doctor or a lawyer should have the opportunity to learn this at school . But the course is not obligatory in geography or history in your country . Chldren are taught about native history, but I doubt they know anything about history of Europe as we are taught

.Later on in adult life they know nothing about the world and make simple mistakes and other nations mock from you .

I might say the same as you said people in USA are not nice , fair enough? Point made , thank you .

is your average Polish doctor, teacher, policeman more capable in their duties?


Of course they are .

Better and broader education gives you better perspective in life; it helps to acquire knowledge better and in a faster way . Memorizing helps brain to work faster ; it helps the process of faster thinking and
making proper conclusions
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 Aug 4, 11, 17:49    #279
I doubt they know anything about history of Europe as we are taught


To tell you the truth Mona, I doubt they know much about American history.

However, I really have a hard time believing that there is really any tangible difference when it comes to people doing their jobs. I am not saying that Polish doctors, teachers and etc. are less qualified, hell maybe you're right that they are more qualified, but what difference does it make? Do you really think that you'd have to worry about the competency of an American pilot, electrician or dog catcher because he doesn't know the capital city of every country? I am not advocating that ignorance is okay, but what's the sense in beating kids' brains in for 12 years? By the way, I taught at a Polish university for eight years, so I have some insight.

Maybe I should start a new thread as this seems pretty far off topic from the original post.
Monia  Aug 4, 11, 18:06    #280
in beating kids' brains in for 12 years


I have already explained that . I was also angry that at school I had to learn biology or phisics on a very advanced level, althought I wanted to become a lawyer from the begining . To me it was a waste of my precious time . But from the prospective I think it was worth and now I am not a complete ignorant if I see an explanation in some manual or data on data plate on some appliance I buy :).
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 Aug 4, 11, 18:25    #281
i'll create a new thread out of this later.

closed for the time being

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 Nov 26, 11, 06:44    #282
Merged: From the beginning of this year ($ 3000.00 to $ 4000.00 a month... just an update

For those of you that remember.... We left America to go take care of my wife's Polish parents you can read the whole thread here :http://www.polishforums.com/everyday-life-7/month-we-have-enough-mone y-live-49001/#msg1048746 make sure you goto the first page to know what is going on. but here is the update......

Just strange to think.... one year ago, I did not know that I and my family would pick up all we knew and move to Poland, Did not know that I would fall in love with that country, Did not know that I was able to walk 2.4 miles (After a lot of practice), did not know that I would argue with the wife about a car.. hehe she wanted one and I said NO! we can walk or take a bus!! lololololo those of you that know me... know that last statement does not sound like me, did not know that I would (after 2 months in the hospital) loose my left hand, did not know that we would moved back to America 6 months earlier than planned, did not know that I would have the support of my family as much as I did and still continue to receive, Did not know what a Phantom pain was let alone be living with them!!, did not know I would miss the evening walks down to the beach with my family, did not know I would miss playing cards with my Mother-in-Law until the wee hours of the night, Did not know I would miss Poland so much and the way of life as well as hope, deep in my heart, that I will return some day, did not know that I would not be able to button my own pants (it is so demeaning to have to ask your wife to button your pants) or get that last bite off the plate with my fork! (with one hand, you have to chase that last couple of bites, they keep sliding around and keep jumping of the flippin fork! hehe, did not know that I would EVER NEED a shoe horn, did not know that I would be embarrassed to go to a restaurant because I need to have someone else cut my food up, just do not go anymore!, did not know that I would HATE my shadow when I am walking to the mail box with the sun behind me and I see a stump hangin' there!

I have shared probably too much here and I am sorry , just going through some tough times right now. bye the way also, a year ago I would never know how hard it would be to type with one hand.

I pray that the year ahead holds a much brighter future for us ALL!!

AS YOU HAVE JUST READ, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE NEXT YEAR HOLDS FOR YOU!

God Bless!
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 Nov 26, 11, 09:09    #283
I'm sorry to hear about your troubles and I hope that the next year is a better one for you. I don't know if this will help but I saw a really interesting talk about phantom pain a while ago - maybe it could help you too...

http://www.ted.com/talks/vilayanur_ramachandran_on_your_mind.html
http://blog.ted.com/2008/03/21/phantom_limb_pa/
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 Nov 26, 11, 10:03    #284
thanks for the update. I hope everything goes well this year for you:). Sounds like you had a very eventful year, but I also feel that you level of acceptance is pretty high.
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Edited by: Wedle  Nov 26, 11, 11:11    #285
s2good2:
AS YOU HAVE JUST READ, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE NEXT YEAR HOLDS FOR YOU!



Thanks for your story, honesty is a rare quality theses days, the measure of a man is how they handle themselves with dignity during difficult times. I recently watched a TV news release about injured soldiers returning from war zones who have lost limbs, I was very much humbled by the positive attitude for life of these young men. It really is quite pathetic how everyone has lost sight of what is important in life, back to basics- simple life. Living a life with the loss of ones limb/s I am sure takes acceptance, although nature has her way of adjusting. If you are going on long walks each day consider a dog, a great companion and a reason to continue the walks every day.

Gods speed.


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