Permanent Residence in Polska: procedures, list of documents, etc.

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Aug 11, 11, 10:28 #31

To have health care on a voluntary basis, it's about 220zl a month.

Delph, I have already posted about this. I have been paying a voluntary contribution to ZUS for about 4 years. It started off at around 220 złoty but has risen over the years to present cost of around 360 złoty per month.
My partner has explained that they base the amount on the average Polish wage (which seems to be rising every month). For the first couple of years we paid at the post office as it was impossible to pay by standing order at the bank, due, to a fluctuation of a couple of PLN each month. The computerised version to allow you to pay over the internet will only allow you to do so "if" you have a "NIP" number, otherwise it will not work, so, even though I do not work I had to get one.
As is typical in Poland, you still have to fill in the ZUS form and send it in every month, even though they have a record of your online payment. I take it that this is necessary for someone in the office to have something to "stamp". NOTE: If you make one mistake on the form, they will send it back and make you do it again!!!! The penalty for doing this could be detention or writing out 100 lines.

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Aug 11, 11, 10:48 #32

Some of it is also illogical and almost certainly the result of bad advice/blind obeying of some dragon in the Urzad who should be slapped with the relevant laws.

But then again, it's a good way to keep non-EU citizens out. We have enough workers in the EU - we don't need non-EU citizens in here.

makes you sound quite elitist. what a tool.

so what do you have to say about non EU people that have started a business here and supply over 30 Polish nationals with jobs and pay over 30,000zl into ZUS every month, not to mention their wages?

would you like me to scan the document that was given to me by the provincial immigration office so you can see all the things written on it for yourself?

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Aug 11, 11, 12:50 #33

would you like me to scan the document that was given to me by the provincial immigration office so you can see all the things written on it for yourself?

U sound very bitter man.I'm sure u're a hard working individual whose having problems getting round the bureaucractic hoops in the country. If u really want to stay i'm sure there is a way and many people around here might help u. Where abouts are u from and what is your connection to Poland (Family,Spouse or Business)? Which city are u in?

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Edited by: delphiandomine Aug 11, 11, 13:02 #34

Delph, I have already posted about this. I have been paying a voluntary contribution to ZUS for about 4 years. It started off at around 220 złoty but has risen over the years to present cost of around 360 złoty per month.

Aha - thanks! Still, 360zl isn't a bad deal per month for coverage.

so what do you have to say about non EU people that have started a business here and supply over 30 Polish nationals with jobs and pay over 30,000zl into ZUS every month, not to mention their wages?

I'd say that they wouldn't be whining about having to pay 900zl of social taxes per month. ZUS is actually an utter bargain if you're self employed and earning a decent bit of money, compared to the contributions made by employed people.

How any medium sized business owner can complain about a tax burden in an EU country of 32% (higher rate) plus 900zl per month is totally beyond me.

would you like me to scan the document that was given to me by the provincial immigration office so you can see all the things written on it for yourself?

Please do, actually. I can tell you for a fact that half of the things you mentioned simply aren't mentioned in the law at all. Polish law is very specific - if it's not mentioned, then they have no right to ask for it (and you can safely tell them such). Standing up to the dragons works fine if you know exactly what you're talking about - they won't risk pushing something that's actually contrary to the law.

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Edited by: al111 Aug 11, 11, 13:20 #35

TO DELPHIANDOMINE
I thought i should include this in, hope the OP doesn't mind. Since u seem to have alot of experience on this i should ask.
So DELPHIANDOMINE here is my question a guy from South Africa has asked me to find out about this. He is married to a Pole and soon will be applying for a permanent residence in Poznań.He now holds a Polish Birthcertificate after his original was retained when they got married( he actually had to fight to get this). So when he applies for the permanent residence in Poznań wont they demand another original birthcertificate from him? He also has a notarized copy of his original BC.

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Aug 11, 11, 13:27 #36

So DELPHIANDOMINE here is my question a guy from South Africa has asked me to find out about this. He is married to a Pole and soon will be applying for a permanent residence in Poznań.He now holds a Polish Birthcertificate after his original was retained when they got married( he actually had to fight to get this). So when he applies for the permanent residence in Poznań wont they demand another original birthcertificate from him? He also has a notarized copy of his original BC.

If he's got a Polish birth certificate, that should do the job, I think?

Never heard of them refusing a Polish-issued birth certificate, actually.

AvalonThreads: 3 Posts: 813 Joined: Sep 11, 07 ♂	Aug 11, 11, 13:45 #37
360zl isn't a bad deal per month for coverage. Compared to 12% of your income (with no upper limit) as in the UK, its a bargain.

wielki panThreads: 3 Posts: 278 Joined: Jan 7, 11 ♂	Aug 12, 11, 05:20 #38
No-one mentioned private insurance. Perhaps you should learn a bit more about Poland and what the NFZ system is? No sane person relies on the Polish medical system, you need private cover!

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Edited by: delphiandomine Aug 12, 11, 10:59 #39

No sane person relies on the Polish medical system, you need private cover!

Really?

Again, you're showing your utter ignorance of the Polish system if you think that. Depending on where you live, the NFZ system can actually be very very good. Latest example for me - I broke my finger, so went to the hospital. I was seen, x-rayed and dealt with within half an hour. Not bad, don't you think?

When was the last time you actually lived here again....?

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Aug 12, 11, 11:48 #40

No sane person relies on the Polish medical system, you need private cover!

I disagree. Saw a heart specialist here in Poland on a Wednesday, he siad there was a problem. He phoned me on the Friday night and told me he had managed to get me an Angiogram on the following Tuesday in Krakow. Had the Angiogram and was told I needed a triple bypass, this was performed on the Friday.
That was 4 years ago. No problems. Unlike the 18 months quoted in the UK for a Hernia operation where I ended up having to pay for the op privately as I was unable to work with it. Personally, considering the supposed lack of funds and underpaid staff, I think Polish healthcare is very good.

pipThreads: 11 Posts: 1,293 Joined: Jul 4, 11 ♀	Aug 12, 11, 13:43 #41
Polish health care is fine. the hospitals are old but they are ok. we "pay as we go" meaning we typically use private and just pay when we need it...except for the time when my youngest stuck a bead up her nose- they told us to go to the childrens hospital right away.

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Aug 21, 11, 17:59 #42

al111:
To spaceman77 how did u acquire your citizenship are u Originally EU or non-EU?

My grandparents emigrated to Venezuela long ago and when they became venezuelan citizens, they apparently lost their polish citizenship.
It was up to my father and a very clever attorney in Krakow to find the glitch (on our favor) that changed things around.
As it turns out, Polish men that became citizens of other countries during that time (Sorry I don't recall the exact years), lost their polish citizenship. But if they have not joined the military in that country or held any government position or have not asked the polish army for permission to become a citizen in that country then they are to be considered Polish to the eyes of the law.
It took two years to prove that my grandfather didn't join the army in Venezuela. It was a very hard process for my father, but he made it. I believe that using an attorney in Poland was key. Otherwise, the process could last a long longer or even worst, it could have been denied.
Once my father received his Polish confirmation, it only took one month and half for me to get mine.
I'm now in the process of confirming my three kids.
My brother who is the son of the same father and the same mother, got his polish confirmation denied due to a technicality. (My dad didn't register his birth certificate until after one year of his birth). The attorneys are now trying to get the president to grant his polish citizenship (I hope it's possible).
Right now, I'm studying polish 1 hour a day and I love it.
My main goal and dream is to live in Poland near my aunt and other family members. Of course, with my wife and kids, but we wanted to visit portugal for 1 year or 2 first.
I'm very thankful to the comments and advise that I can find at this forum.

I finally received the Confirmation of Polish Citizenship for my three kids. Now we are preparing for our migration from the U.S. to Poland. you can read more about how it all went down here: http://www.theyellowflashlight.com/how-did-I-obtained-polish-citizensh ip-confirmation/

I can't wait to go there!!!

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