Polish schools and Polish educational system level in your eyes

And please get rid of this 30% passing rate ... it is too ridiculous for words.

And come on, the matura exam (at least for English) is really a piece of cake!

The level of the (English) matura exam in Poland, I think, doesn't give the pupil enough knowledge to "cut it" abroad.

You know what would help (with regard to languages at least)? Stop this stupid voice over on tele. In pretty much all the countries where they have dubbing or voice overs people are less good at languages.

Sure, it means the Matura would become something that says "I finished school" - but that's no bad thing.

Its shameful and I'm wonder why the hell they reduced standarts.

I've taken it, so I know that by my own experience

It's not all doom and gloom - at least now, you have a much fairer system for university entry!

I can't say for certain, but some teacher friends have the opinion that it comes in somewhere just short of FCE.

I hope you passed, zetigrek. And if so, no matter what you think of the level, I can only congratulate you.

I'm sure you've worked pretty hard to get where you are now, so you should be proud of yourself!

Dutch, French, English, German, Latin, Greek

I suppose you're a doctor degree now?

Now I am an army officer

There are plenty of bodies willing and able to learn, but the infrastructure to provide that learning isn't in place. One directly influences the other. Until that environment is in place, you won't have a very good pool of resources to pull from.

Well, in general I agree that Poland is relatively weak in terms of patents and it lacks both big industry and govermental support in scientific research. But on the other hand I can't agree that there is low human resources pool here. The main problem though is that many of the best go west in search for better salaries and better opportunites...

Poland has more academic graduates than Germany, although the best German universities are better than Poland's best, but reason of that is because universities in the West are far more elitist than the Polish ones and because the Polish higher education is free and generally more open and egalitarian.

We're not talking about the best, we're talking about the average education that you receive. Graduates from German universities are in much better shape than their peers in Poland. School is also free in Germany, and pretty much anyone can decide to go the university path. In Poland, you get the feeling that people have nothing better to do than go to university for years on end.

The problem is most definitely quantity over quality in Poland. Just have a word with any professors and ask them what's going on with the system. It's really a shame that such a strong university culture has been destroyed by the notion that everyone needs a degree to work.

and pretty much anyone can decide to go the university path.

The problem is most definitely quantity over quality in Poland.

Just have a word with any professors and ask them what's going on with the system.

It's really a shame that such a strong university culture has been destroyed by the notion that everyone needs a degree to work.

There was no university culture comparable to the West in Poland during the communism and there isn't anything like that at present.

The only difference is: Unis are allowed to make money, so they bring in as many students as possible - eg. the part time students in particular.

that is not true, the early selection starts in primary school I believe and children either to to highschool and later to uni, or they go to trade schools.

that is true, but during the communism getting a uni degree was only for "elites". Secondly, the was limited space at unis.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the system besides the fact that the system itself was always on a mediocre level

Have you ever studied in Poland (during the communism or now)?

True, but there is a very big selection during the first year of studies and most often less than half of the initial number of students finish their studies.

You need your abitur (matura more or less), but even that's not really needed anymore depending on the circumstances. The path doesn't matter anymore. The gymnasium route was relevant 30 years ago.

The second had more impact than the first. You actually had to want to learn in order to go to uni.
I would agree to certain degree. Getting into uni was almost impossible, because one had to write exams, which results of often did not reflect their high school scores, which for me did not make sense. [quote=convex]Not sure that I can agree with you there 100%. Maybe late in the game when they became cash strapped.

I started in post- communist Poland and transfered to finish studies in Canada. Poland was way to easy unlike the Canadian uni. If I compare Canadian profs to Polish, there is a big difference in a sense that Canadian profs are serious about their work, Polish on the other hand are soften not that demanding and often don't asses students on knowledge alone. Somehow I got the impression that they are willing to abuse the power they hold - that is NOT an education for me, since that indicates the lack of respect for the student, which I never encountered in Canada - just the opposite.
andrei:

that is the same in Canada, first 2 years are for weeding out the unfit students, what I had in mind was the part-time(zaoczny) system at Polish unis, which is a big source of income, but does not compare when it comes to the quality of education of the full time (dzienny). Also, one cannot cheat in Canada and once you fail an exam, it is over, while in Poland one can negotiate with the prof and have "poprawkowy" - this is unheard of here. This way when the student starts a semester he has to work right from the beginning, otherwise he will never catch up.

So what have you studied (and where)? I think you've studied in a other Poland or in uni with a poor level. As far as I've studied I've never seen a Polish prof which wasn't serious about his job (I've studied at the University of Economics in Krakow), some of them were actually on the contrary - very conservative in their attitude and with "a mission" - I had one prof on my econometrics studies which teached Microeconomics, theoretically nothing big, but in reality he was very demanding and in the end he almost kicked out half of my whole major, so I can't call such guy "not serious" about his job.

I think a bigger problem would be if there was no "poprawkowy" than if there is. "Poprawkowy" is generally only one bonus date of exam (it's not like you try the exam infinity times, and even if the uni allows more dates, then you most often have to pay for them or alternatively they give you a chance of repeating the subject in another semester(also for cash)), imo it's a fair system, especially considering some hard technical majors (like electrotechnics for example) and hard subjects (like Circuit theory for another example).

because his attitude would be not something I would appreciate.

The subject should be taught to students, so that most of them would pass, otherwise they should not be there at all in a first place.

Middle class does not give a sh1t about exams like matura etc.If their children do not pass it all these things will be bypassed one way or another.

3. how can they bypassed failed matura???

Graduates from German universities are in much better shape than their peers in Poland.

because universities in the West are far more elitist than the Polish ones

bribe a university in eastern Europe to be accepted.

I wrote that

You don't understand.I wrote that if they are polish they are likely to send their children to study in UK

send them to Ukraine to bribe a degree.

to study in the uk you have to know language. poor student who have difficulties to pass matura certainly won't learn english on enough level to go to college.

southern:
send them to Ukraine to bribe a degree.

the same as in Ukraine - you have to know language.

Case closed.You are naive.