Rate Poland (Life Quality / Culture and People / Food): 1-10!

jwojcieThreads: 3 Posts: 816 Joined: Jan 3, 09 ♂	Oct 6, 11, 09:09 #211
Well, Prague don't have a Dragon, but they do have Knedliki - I'm torn ;-)

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Oct 6, 11, 12:22 #212

bullfrog wrote:

Just look at the numbers of tourists visiting each city, and don't tell me its a matter of advertising, the czechs are not better at it than the poles

precisely. it's simple. people don't go to poland for a reason. and no, the however many germans that come in for a few days in the western cities of Poland to see where their grandparents lived before getting kicked out of their house when the borders changed doesn't count as significant "tourism". neither does the small handful of brits, americans and australians that come to drink beer and chase polish tail for a few years while posing as "an english teacher".

delphiandomine wrote:

But plenty of German tourists do come to the Baltic Sea and the cities, plenty of Slovaks/Czechs/Hungarians go to the mountains, Americans/Brits to the cities - Poland's not doing too badly.

lezzbianest. and who the hell would choose the Baltic Sea over the Med or the ocean for that matter. the Baltic is GHETTO.

people look at poland, then look at other european countries, and when they click the button to buy their flights for vacation, Poland very rarely wins and for good reason.

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Edited by: jwojcie Oct 6, 11, 15:06 #213

precisely. it's simple. people don't go to poland for a reason

Fuzzy I understand you have some initial thesis you are trying to defend but don't exaggerate. There are milions of foreign tourists in Poland every year:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_tou_arr-economy-tourist-arrivals

In 2010 there was about 12,5 milion of visits of foreign tourists (number of total foreign visits in 2010 was 58,3 mln). Sure, colder and more cloudy Poland hardly can compete with France. But don't forget that typical holiday calendar in Europe for regular folks consists of couple of different holidays in the year. So, yes two weeks in some hot place, but also one week or couple of days somewhere else - Europe is small... By the way, have you ever been at the French Mediterranean coast in August? It is pure nightmare, it is terribly hot, there is no place at hotels or campsites, and on the beaches there is not one metre of free space... Baltic sea and white sand at Polish coastline is heaven compared to that (obviously if you are lucky enough to hit the sunny days ;) ).

Btw. there is about three times more visits of foreign tourist in Poland than it is in USA... I understand though that internal movement in USA is big enough.

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Oct 6, 11, 16:12 #214

jwojcie wrote:

Btw. there is about three times more visits of foreign tourist in Poland than it is in USA

we're not discussing the USA, but this "statistic" you just came up with is absolutely useless. if a german drives a few miles and crosses the border into Poland....tick, 1 tourist. if a Czech guy does the same, tick, 2 tourists. For anyone to go to the USA, excluding Canadians and Mexicans.....gotta spend a whole lotta money on a plane ticket and take a lot of vacation time to do it and it's thousands of miles of flying.....one way. you're comparing apples and oranges.

imagine what kind of number you would come up with if you tracked how many americans that live in state X visited state Y throughout a year. a US state is as big, often times even bigger than an entire country in europe.

jwojcie wrote:

Baltic sea and white sand at Polish coastline is heaven compared to that (obviously if you are lucky enough to hit the sunny days ;) ).

"heaven" and "Baltic" shouldn't be in the same sentence.

and yes, the weather there, along with the cold sea water.....not suitable for summer getaways.

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Edited by: jwojcie Oct 6, 11, 16:35 #215

if a german drives a few miles and crosses the border into Poland....tick, 1 tourist. if a Czech guy does the same, tick, 2 tourists.

Not really, in that way those 58,3 milions are counted. Those 12,5 milion are visits with at least one night in Poland. It goes the same for other countries - short weekends trips are quite popular in Europe.

"heaven" and "Baltic" shouldn't be in the same sentence.

Well, you underestimate Baltic coast... The trick is that it is not the coast for lying on the beach but for biking. With that concept in mind 20 degree instaed of 30 is advantage. I told you, with Poland you must know where, when and what for ;)

For anyone to go to the USA, excluding Canadians and Mexicans.....gotta spend a whole lotta money on a plane ticket and take a lot of vacation time to do it and it's thousands of miles of flying.....one way. you're comparing apples and oranges.

I understand that, still the number seems to be small - probably all this security issues at US airports don't help tourism, I remember sometime ago I watched on msnbc some tourism industry representant in US who was complaing a lot about that.

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Oct 6, 11, 16:48 #216
probably all this security issues at US airports don't help tourism From my own experience, I'm sure there is an impact. Since the post 9/11 security measures I haven't returned to the states and will not do so. Many people I know have taken the same position.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Oct 6, 11, 18:32 #217
once again: Rate Poland (Life Quality / Culture and People / Food): 1-10!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 6, 11, 19:32 #218
We have to change our ratings?? ;) ;) Quality of life? It has definitely gotten better for many. It's still lagging behind due to the disproportionality between salary increases and the cost of living. GDP may have risen but not everyone gets a slice of the pie. In European terms, Poland maybe gets a 6.

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Edited by: FUZZYWICKETS Oct 6, 11, 22:30 #219

jwojcie wrote:

Well, you underestimate Baltic coast... The trick is that it is not the coast for lying on the beach but for biking. With that concept in mind 20 degree instaed of 30 is advantage. I told you, with Poland you must know where, when and what for ;)

haha, oooh man. that's.......haha.

jwojcie wrote:

still the number seems to be small

explain.

Teffle wrote:

Since the post 9/11 security measures I haven't returned to the states and will not do so. Many people I know have taken the same position.

completely unjustified if that's your only reason. trust me, you along with the others you speak of boycott trips to the USA for other reasons. our security paranoia is just something else to add to the list.

seanus wrote:

In European terms, Poland maybe gets a 6.

which is why tourists visit the 7's, 8's, 9's and 10's instead.

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Edited by: pawian Oct 6, 11, 23:06 #220

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seanus wrote:

In European terms, Poland maybe gets a 6.

which is why tourists visit the 7's, 8's, 9's and 10's instead.

Fair enough. I don`t mind. I even prefer it like that.:):):)

Compare the beaches:

Poland:

Mediteranean:

I have nothing against the chilly waters of the Baltic Sea.

However, I do mind being touched by sweaty fat bodies of other beach goers. :):):):)

My rating is still 8/10.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 6, 11, 23:19 #221
I meant a 6 for the standard of living.

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Oct 7, 11, 00:23 #222
trust me, you along with the others you speak of boycott trips to the USA for other reasons. Eh no we don't Fuzzy. Who is paranoid now? I happened to like going to the states but I won't be subjected to fingerprinting, retina scans etc. Simple as.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,395 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Edited by: pawian Oct 7, 11, 00:31 #223
but I won't be subjected to fingerprinting, retina scans etc. Rectum and crotch frisking etc. Yes, I agree, that is awful.

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Oct 7, 11, 00:45 #224

Yeah, our airport security is way over-the-top.

As a frequent visitor to Poland, I offer the following:

Quality of Life: as a visitor it's a 10/10--I drink decent beer, it's quiet, slower paced, and the in-laws pay for just about everything.
Food: 9/10, although I agree it has a general lack of imagination, I'm a sucker for smoked meats and cheeses plus bigos really hits the spot.
Culture/People: 8/10--the people are fantastic and the fact that Polish culture has survived partitions and the like and still survives speaks to its richness.
It's the the standard of living (wages:cost) that keeps me, the Polish wife, and kids in my beloved USA.

NatasaThreads: 7 Posts: 2,607 Joined: Jun 6, 10 MEMBER ♀	Edited by: Natasa Oct 7, 11, 01:06 #225
Compare the beaches: Mediterranean sea apart from being the womb of western civilization knows also how to be chilly and empty. But on 6. of October. Water T = 22 C. I liked the wilderness and winds of the North and Baltic sea I had pleasure to see, but Mediterranean sea has more faces to show. The warm one and the wild one. So, careful.... ;) stop the earth i want to get off

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Oct 7, 11, 01:56 #226

Teffle wrote:

I happened to like going to the states but I won't be subjected to fingerprinting, retina scans etc.

my wife's entire family was just here in the summer. no problems and they don't even speak english. in and out. fingerprinting takes a few seconds on an electronic device. you're blowing it totally out of proportion which is why I am sure you have other reasons for not wanting to come. I've seen the entire process many times with my wife, watching her go through the line at the airport, it's no big deal and hardly a reason to boycott a country completely.

get over it.

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Edited by: Alllie Oct 7, 11, 02:03 #227

Those who say the baltic is not as good as the meditteranean are out of their mind

legendThreads: 9 Posts: 819 Joined: Apr 23, 11 ♂	Oct 7, 11, 03:55 #228
-Quality of life 7/10 (if you are at least middle class and have a steady job) -Polish culture and people 9/10 -Food 6/10 (I prefer Chinese, Italian, been eating this food for too long so it becomes a bit "bland").

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Edited by: Natasa Oct 7, 11, 09:59 #229

Those who say the baltic is not as good as the meditteranean are out of their mind

I am insane, no doubt.

So, I really liked the Baltic sea. I saw it in January. North sea I saw, touched and was blown away by the strength of the wind at the end of one August. Wonders. Truly.

But, perhaps the number of Northerners (British, Germans) who replace the North seas with Spanish, Italian, Greek coast, colonizing the Mediterranean areas still says something.

Prosaists and poets who decided to change the cold North with (missing an adjective here) Mediterranean , to live there or were frequent travelers who's journeys ended always with olive trees and Mediterranean blueness were also insane: Lord Byron who lived in Greece, Browning, Ruskin, Forster, D. H. Lawrence, Henry James,Tomas Mann, Henry Miller who wrote his best novel inspired by Corfu where he was invited by Lawrence Durrell who lived there, Joyce who lived more than a decade on Northern Adriatic, in Trieste... list is endless.

That is just a head of the list of those who don't know the difference.

stop the earth i want to get off

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Edited by: Teffle Oct 7, 11, 10:40 #230

no problems and they don't even speak english. in and out. fingerprinting takes a few seconds on an electronic device.

I don't doubt that it's a speedy and relatively hassle free process - it is not the point though. It's invasive and I refuse to be treated like a criminal.

you're blowing it totally out of proportion which is why I am sure you have other reasons for not wanting to come

I. DON'T.

What's wrong with you? I have nothing against the US & I don't know why you are assuming I have ?!

I have enjoyed my trips there and there are still places I would have liked to have seen & experienced. I won't lose sleep over it though as there are plenty of other interesting destinations on the planet too.

hardly a reason to boycott a country

Well for me and many others - it is. Maybe you should in fact "get over" this simple fact : )

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Oct 7, 11, 11:02 #231

Natasa

That is just a head of the list of those who don't know the difference.

You don`t understand a point of Alllie , those poets and writers don`t come from south of Europe , is that right ? Why would they come to Poland - to meet the same climate and similar landscape ? The contrast between North and South was the main factor which attracted them . I personally don`t like southern climate and it doesnt attract me .

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Oct 7, 11, 11:14 #232

The contrast between North and South was the main factor which attracted them

We didn't see that frequent fascination by contrasts when it comes to Italian, Greek or Spanish writers, painters, sculptors, etc.
I don't think it is contrast itself, but the breathtaking beauty and history of Mediterranean area.

I truly appreciated the beauty of Baltic and North sea, and I understand that people from the North are adjusted to its climate, and prefer it.

I don't think I was understood right, my english perhaps, but Mediterranean sea belongs to some other genre. It is not the landscape. It is the beginning. Ab ovo.

stop the earth i want to get off

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Oct 7, 11, 13:01 #233

precisely. it's simple. people don't go to poland for a reason. and no, the however many germans that come in for a few days in the western cities of Poland to see where their grandparents lived before getting kicked out of their house when the borders changed doesn't count as significant "tourism". neither does the small handful of brits, americans and australians that come to drink beer and chase polish tail for a few years while posing as "an english teacher".

You must be one of them , but definitely you are just one small Poland`s hater .

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Oct 7, 11, 14:52 #234

Everything is 10 in Poland except for the food.As a slavic country it easily gets a 10 for culture and people and life quality is at decent levels.You also see the widespread beauty which is a charm for the eyes.I also like that it is flat a contrast to our mountainous terrain.

Mediterranean , to live there or were frequent travelers who's journeys ended always with olive trees and Mediterranean blueness

Mediteranean cannot be compared.If you saw today the sunny weather and the perfect atmosphere in Athens you would understand why all geniuses of the past prefered to live here.Attica sky is considered to be the best and brightest in the world.

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Oct 8, 11, 02:09 #235

The polish coastline cannot be compared to the Italian or Greek coastline . Both seashores are beautiful in their OWN , UNIQUE way .

The Baltic and Mediterranean are two different bodies of water , with two different climates. Whoever says the Baltic is not as nice a vacation spot as the Mediterranean have obviously never been to the Baltic on a nice warm summer day. The scenery is absolutely stunning and the water is crystal clear. Poland does a very good job in maintaining the coastline and therefore summer vacations on the polish seashore are always an enjoyable , beautiful , pleasant and CLEAN experience.

To those who oppose of Poland being an equally beautiful vacation spot as other European countries don't know what their saying . People should actually take the time to travel around some of Poland , and then you'll really rethink your outlandish comments that " Poland cannot compare to France " or that " Krakow cannot compare to Prague " because yes Poland can compare to France and yes Poland can compare to Prague. Europe is a very diverse continent with 50 independent countries with DIFFERENT backgrounds and histories . The architecture and landscapes change from country to country. Poland is an extremely breathtaking country with many diverse and beautiful landscapes and medieval towns. The people here are extremely friendly and the food is delicious . Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I am not forcing anyone to adore Poland but play fair and don't say that Poland cannot compare with other European countries because it most deffinatley can. Poland is one of the last remaining countries that harbors such a diverse population of wildlife and rich landscapes. Many people have fallen in love with Poland and keep on falling in love with this beautiful country.

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Oct 8, 11, 02:37 #236

Turkey has 4 sea ,Mediterranean,Black sea,Aegean sea,marmara sea. I dont like Mediterranean sea, its too hot water and salty and not delicious fish. Balck sea is too dirty and wild waves not good for swim. Marmara also dirty but most delicious fish I dont know why. But Aegean ITS IS THE BEST realy, clean,delicious sea food,water between cold and warm windy at night and nice natures forests and flora and spirit realy its the best and aegean food realy so nice if you like sea food must to try mostley greek orgin but mixed with Turkish food so delisious. In poland I see many travel agency reklam about Turkey ,Kuşadası(in aegea area but doesnt have nature just building and bars),Antalya,Alanya please dont go over there just too hot too strong sun,very hot sea water,diskos,beaches and big hotelsand cheap quality worker and people who bothers tourist ,seasons worker they came from other cities for season work, its noting interesting in there. I tell you realy good place feel relax and for good vacation and not expencive like Mediterranean area,and nice people . Bozcaada, Alacati, and Asos,they are north aegean area cheap, good quality and very pleasant holiday. About Baltic sea I seen pictures looks so beautiful I like northern seas, but sea food importent baltic has what and they are delicious?

karaThreads: 1 Posts: 4 Joined: Oct 20, 11 ♂	Oct 21, 11, 18:46 #237
i think poland and culture is 10points.just i dont like drinking culture.they are drinking too much.but generaly 10 10 10 10.life quality is not very high but i believe better than england.i love family relations.them family culture very strong.i thought thats why i got married with polish princes :)

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