Smoking ban in Polish bars and restaurants (AT LAST!)

sausageThreads: 25 Posts: 1,053 Joined: Sep 21, 07 ♂	Oct 12, 10, 15:11 #1
Imminent smoking regulations causing headaches for pub owners "Polish pub and restaurant owners have a month left to prepare separate space for smokers. Where this proves impossible, smokers will have to light it up outside." More discussions: Do you think a smoking ban would be a good thing in Polish restaurants and Bars?

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Oct 12, 10, 15:15 #2
sausage: "Polish pub and restaurant owners have a month left to prepare separate space for smokers. i noticed this in force in Klub WZ. one half of the club was smoking, the other half was not. there was also the option to go outside.

sausageThreads: 25 Posts: 1,053 Joined: Sep 21, 07 ♂	Oct 12, 10, 15:16 #3
Wroclaw: there was also the option to go outside. Something to look forward to when it's minus 20 out.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Oct 12, 10, 15:17 #4
Comrade, we must now fight for an alcohol ban so that workers may live even happier and healthier lives!

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Oct 12, 10, 15:22 #5
sausage: Something to look forward to when it's minus 20 out. at my watering hole in berlin they have a heated cabin (garden shed) outside. some bar/club owners may do the same here.

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Oct 12, 10, 15:27 #6
Don't be too hasty. We were the pioneers of this 'wonderful' idea - but also in ways of getting around it (kind of) The law probably isn't going to be exactly the same in Poland as it is in Ireland though I suppose.

OlafThreads: 8 Posts: 1,369 Joined: Oct 29, 09 ♂	Oct 12, 10, 15:40 #7
Ha ha! Any way good to get the stinkers outside.

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Oct 12, 10, 16:25 #8

Teffle:

The law probably isn't going to be exactly the same in Poland as it is in Ireland though I suppose.

The law won't be the same in Poland, this law is only going to ask owners to introduce serperate area's of the bar for smokers and non-smokers. Some bar owners may wish that only a small area of the bar will be given to non smokers. The 2 bar owners which I'm friends with in Krakow say that most of the customers they have are smokers, therefore they won't be taking much notice of the new "rules".

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,861 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Oct 12, 10, 18:02 #9
In Florida, the non-smoking ban is bars is somehow linked to the percentage of the income generated from food sales. I have noticed that if there are two bars next to each other - one smoking allowed one not, the smoking bar is always busier. It makes sense to me - the only time I crave cigarettes is when I'm drinking and socializing. I see most of the bars investing in an outdoor area, too.

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Oct 12, 10, 18:08 #10

convex:

Comrade, we must now fight for an alcohol ban so that workers may live even happier and healthier lives!

That's about right, comrade. They just can't leave others alone.

f stop:

I have noticed that if there are two bars next to each other - one smoking allowed one not, the smoking bar is always busier.

That's the free market at work, as it should be. But nannying Leftists don't want the free market to decide when they can decide for everyone...

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Oct 12, 10, 18:08 #11
sausage: Smoking ban in Polish bars and restaurants yay! :)

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Oct 12, 10, 18:22 #12

pgtx:

yay! :)

With the best will in the world, what the fuuck has it got to do to you whether people smoke in Polish bars or not? Do we come to your country and tell you that you don't have the right to own a different gun for each day of the month or that people who drive vehicles that get less than ten miles to the gallon should be used as target practice? No, so kindly keep your nose out of Polish affairs.

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Edited by: pgtx Oct 12, 10, 18:27 #13
Harry: No, so kindly keep your nose out of Polish affairs. it's nothing new... only sensitive smokers don't like it... you can't smoke almost anywhere where i live and i love it! i quit smoking a few weeks ago and it's soooo much easier while not being around smokers in a bar... so yay! :)

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Oct 12, 10, 18:29 #14
Banning smoking should be the same as banning drinking. Alcohol has a more destructive impact in the world than smoking ever could reach.

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Oct 12, 10, 18:31 #15

pgtx:

i quit smoking a few weeks ago

Congratulations and keep it up! My lungs have got to the point (after smoking for 30 years) that I need to stop right away or become very ill.

A downside of the ban is that in the UK, it has more or less destroyed traditional pub culture, with bars closing down at a shocking rate. My favourite bar in Warsaw is a tiny place and probably 75% of the regulars smoke. It would be a shame to see it go.

sausageThreads: 25 Posts: 1,053 Joined: Sep 21, 07 ♂	Oct 12, 10, 18:34 #16
jonni: with bars closing down at a shocking rate. probably the big breweries screwing the leaseholders is as much to blame jonni: A downside of the ban is that in the UK other downsides include cigarette butts littering the streets and an increase of drunken noisy people outside the pubs instead of inside where they belong

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Edited by: pgtx Oct 12, 10, 18:34 #17
jonni: Congratulations and keep it up! thanks, will do... :) dtaylor5632: Banning smoking should be the same as banning drinking. Alcohol has a more destructive impact in the world than smoking ever could reach. there is nothing wrong to have a beer or two now and then...

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Oct 12, 10, 18:37 #18
sausage: other downsides include cigarette butts littering the streets and an increase of drunken noisy people outside the pubs instead of inside where they belong Exactly, though litter is nothing new and I only ever see small groups of mostly middle-aged people by pub doors.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Oct 12, 10, 18:39 #19
I'm going to fund a study linking children to elevated blood pressure and therefore heart attacks. If this turns out to be verifiable, I would expect an immediate ban on children in private businesses.

sausageThreads: 25 Posts: 1,053 Joined: Sep 21, 07 ♂	Edited by: sausage Oct 12, 10, 18:39 #20
jonni: I only ever see small groups of mostly middle-aged people by pub doors. with leathery skin? there should be gambling allowed in pubs too, then the government could get revenue from 3 sources all at once

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Oct 12, 10, 18:43 #21

jonni:

A downside of the ban is that in the UK, it has more or less destroyed traditional pub culture, with bars closing down at a shocking rate.

sausage:

other downsides include cigarette butts littering the streets and an increase of drunken noisy people outside the pubs instead of inside where they belong

These are the unforeseen consequences of nannying regulations.
The free market should be permitted to decide this.

pgtx:

i love it! i quit smoking a few weeks ago and it's soooo much easier while not being around smokers in a bar...
so yay!

So it's ok to restrict others' freedoms just because of your own personal interests? Seems kinda selfish. And did you smoke in bars when you were still smoking? If so, this would make you a hypocrite...

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Oct 12, 10, 18:43 #22
sausage: with leathery skin? Like an alligators arse. sausage: there should be gambling allowed in pubs too, then the government could get revenue from 3 sources all at once I'm all for that.

sausageThreads: 25 Posts: 1,053 Joined: Sep 21, 07 ♂	Oct 12, 10, 18:46 #23
more segregation is in order... gay bars for smokers gays bars for non-smokers straight bars for non-smokers etc

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06 ♀	Oct 12, 10, 18:51 #24
pgtx: i quit smoking a few weeks ago and it's soooo much easier while not being around smokers in a bar... I quit 3 years now.. :)

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Oct 12, 10, 18:52 #25
Patrycja19: I quit 3 years now.. :) thumbs up, Patty! :)

snowbirdThreads: - Posts: 1 Joined: Oct 13, 10 ♂	Oct 13, 10, 06:11 #26
There is no reason to have smoking bans in this country. Owners can post a sign in their doors. 'This is a smoking venue.' 'This is a non-smoking venue.' This simple solution gives owners and customers choices. Isn't that the Polish way??

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Oct 13, 10, 08:19 #27

sausage wrote:

Something to look forward to when it's minus 20 out.

that's what everyone said when they decided to ban smoking in bars/restaurants in NYC but since the ban (2003), it's been business as usual. time and time again people prove that smoking or not, they want to go out and drink.

i was a bartender at the time just across the river in New Jersey and the ban made its way to New Jersey a year or two later, had no effect on business. people stepped outside and smoked, and in the winter, they all huddled around the door outside, shivered....and smoked. no different than the crowd of people you see in the winter standing outside of office buildings. no matter how cold it gets, they're out there puffing away.

OlafThreads: 8 Posts: 1,369 Joined: Oct 29, 09 ♂	Oct 13, 10, 09:49 #28
dtaylor5632: Alcohol has a more destructive impact I don't agree. What do you base this on? Human body produces small amounts of alcohol itself. Cigarettes are just marketing-created need. Maybe real tobacco like in cigars or in a pipe have something to do with taste but definitely not cigarettes (also I recently visited philip morris production plant, very interesting)...

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Oct 13, 10, 10:01 #29

Olaf:

I don't agree.

Nobody ever killed anybody because they were driving after smoking a half pack of cigarettes.
Nobody ever shoved a glass into anybody's face because they were feeling angry after smoking a half pack of cigarettes.
Nobody ever beat their wife up because they were got home after smoking a half pack of cigarettes and she asked where they'd been.
Nobody ever got fired because they kept showing up to work after smoking a half pack of cigarettes.
Nobody ever ended up living at the central station because they spent all their money on cigarettes.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Oct 13, 10, 10:06 #30
snowbird: There is no reason to have smoking bans in this country. Owners can post a sign in their doors. 'This is a smoking venue.' 'This is a non-smoking venue.' This simple solution gives owners and customers choices. Isn't that the Polish way?? Exactly, but, unfortunately it's not the Polish way.

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