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 Sep 5, 11, 17:53    #1
There I was, foot flat on the gas, enjoying the lovely sunny afternoon on the A4/E40 stretch. It must have been about 40/50 km before Wroc³aw, when suddenly a rather shubbily dressed bloke in a sleek C320 Mercedes (with tinted rear windows) flagged me quite desperately. I thought i had been nicked for speeding, so foot off the gas and pulled over on the hard shoulder. The missus immediately demanded for an answer as to why i had pulled over, I think it's the Police, i answered. Her next 5 words were sandwiched with 3 k****as (She's a very nervous woman!). Anyhow, here's the guy's story - he introduced himself as Mustafa, a Turkish-German businessman who is in the Exports and Imports car industry dealing mainly in German cars (amateurish business card in hand). Apparently he had run out of petrol, lost all his credit cards and being a Sunday, his offices in Berlin were closed, so he couldn't get any immediate help. I then signals to his car and all hell broke loose. A woman with a kid (the bait) jumped out of the car and started being too dramatic, shouting and arguing in Kurdish. My wife, was now getting sucked into the con, she started feeling sorry for the woman and the kid, obviously putting herself in their shoes....'Be cool woman, this is a con' i said to her. Then, Mr Mustafa turns back to us with 3 big FAKE gold coated rings and he said, Listen, i have these 3 carat gold rings, i can give them to you as bond, just give me any money you've got, there's my details, i'll give your money back in exchange for my rings! That was it, i had had enough, i detaste people who insult my intelligence plus the missus was becoming hyptonised by the whole episode. I told him to f off to the cash converters.

And guess what, 20km down the road, yes u guessed it - another flag. This time a black A8 audi (where do they get these cars from?!). I gave him the meanest of looks accompanied by a 'nice' hand gesture! So i asked myself, why us?! there's hundreds of cars on the road...and the missus wisely pointed out that we were marked because we had a foreign car with GB license plates. Is this some kind of organised criminal gang? Are the Woman and kid part of the scam or forced to do it? Has it happened to anyone before?, i'm keen to hear your story.

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 Sep 5, 11, 18:04    #2
I advise anyone who experiences this to be extra helpful and call the police to the scene to offer assistance.
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 Sep 5, 11, 18:10    #3
First of all, I am glad you are fine.

I don't have any idea. But you have to change the title I think. Not Turkish, Kurdish.

Maybe you do not know but Kurds are the criminals ( not a good defination but we can say the blacks) of Turkey and they willingly say they are Turkish when they are doing dirty business.
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Edited by: delphiandomine  Sep 5, 11, 18:14    #4
I advise anyone who experiences this to be extra helpful and call the police to the scene to offer assistance.

No question about it - never pull over for anyone, and if you see someone that's in distress, call the police and let them deal with it.

Lots of noise, "family" - it's quite obviously a scam.
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 Sep 5, 11, 18:21    #5
No question about it - never pull over for anyone

And if you're in a remote place with few people around, that includes the police!
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 Sep 5, 11, 18:35    #6

I don't have any idea. But you have to change the title I think. Not Turkish, Kurdish.

Maybe you do not know but Kurds are the criminals ( not a good defination but we can say the blacks) of Turkey and they willingly say they are Turkish when they are doing dirty business.


lol just like in Greece...everytime something bad like this happen, "It was the Albanians, the blacks of Greece". Let's be real...the criminals could have been Turkish, and if some Turkish nationalist deny the existence of Kurds well then wouldn't that make them one in the same? I think it's racist for Greeks and Turks to constantly blame their minorities for crimes when they do little to no investigations to come to such conclusions. :-)
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 Sep 5, 11, 18:43    #7
You should have called the police and told them that they tried robbing you (over exaggerate).

If I saw a turk on the side of the road, I would have never stopped. But that's me, I like to play it safe.
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 Sep 5, 11, 18:45    #8
George I see your point. But believe me this is like that. Of course there may be Turkish criminals too but if I give a ratio it can be % 80 Kurdish, % 20 Turkish. Most of the Turks in Turkey come to a point let them their state in south east of Turkey if they all leave the rest of Turkey.
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Edited by: paulinska  Sep 5, 11, 18:55    #9
delphiandomine]never pull over for anyone


Delph, you're absolutely spot on mate! It was naivety on my part as i thought i had committed a traffic offence! I could have exposed our lives to great danger, i now know better. Do Polish Police patrol motorways in unmarked cars?! It's quite common here in the UK.

Not Turkish, Kurdish.


Rock, it's a tough one to call..the bloke introduced himself as Turkish, but yeah, i understand what you're saying.
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Edited by: pawian  Sep 5, 11, 19:24    #10
There I was, foot flat on the gas, enjoying the lovely sunny afternoon on the A4/E40 stretch. It must have been about 40/50 km before Wroc³aw, when suddenly a rather shubbily dressed bloke in a sleek C320 Mercedes (with tinted rear windows) flagged me quite desperately. I thought i had been nicked for speeding, so foot off the gas and pulled over on the hard shoulder. The missus immediately demanded for an answer as to why i had pulled over, I think it's the Police, i answered. Her next 5 words were sandwiched with 3 k****as (She's a very nervous woman!). Anyhow, here's the guy's story - he introduced himself as Mustafa, a Turkish-German businessman who is in the Exports and Imports car industry dealing mainly in German cars (amateurish business card in hand). Apparently he had run out of petrol, lost all his credit cards and being a Sunday, his offices in Berlin were closed, so he couldn't get any immediate help. I then signals to his car and all hell broke loose. A woman with a kid (the bait) jumped out of the car and started being too dramatic, shouting and arguing in Kurdish. My wife, was now getting sucked into the con, she started feeling sorry for the woman and the kid, obviously putting herself in their shoes....'Be cool woman, this is a con' i said to her. Then, Mr Mustafa turns back to us with 3 big FAKE gold coated rings and he said, Listen, i have these 3 carat gold rings, i can give them to you as bond, just give me any money you've got, there's my details, i'll give your money back in exchange for my rings! That was it, i had had enough, i detaste people who insult my intelligence plus the missus was becoming hyptonised by the whole episode. I told him to f off to the cash converters.

And guess what, 20km down the road, yes u guessed it - another flag. This time a black A8 audi (where do they get these cars from?!). I gave him the meanest of looks accompanied by a 'nice' hand gesture! So i asked myself, why us?! there's hundreds of cars on the road...and the missus wisely pointed out that we were marked because we had a foreign car with GB license plates. Is this some kind of organised criminal gang? Are the Woman and kid part of the scam or forced to do it? Has it happened to anyone before?, i'm keen to hear your story.

A trick as old as the hills.

The first time I encountered such a con act was in mid 1995. Next, a few more. Always the same scenario - apparently broken car on the side of the road, and a dark skinned man offering mock gold.

The guys aren`t Turkish, they are mostly gypsies, I suppose.
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 Sep 5, 11, 19:47    #11
Has it happened to anyone before?, i'm keen to hear your story

yes on the M1 in UK, I am embarrassed to say I got ripped for 30 quid, exactly the same scam. I had been driving alone with two kids for hours, is my only excuse. It was the hungry wife and kids thing that got me......
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 Sep 5, 11, 19:54    #12
Delph, you're absolutely spot on mate! It was naivety on my part as i thought i had committed a traffic offence! I could have exposed our lives to great danger, i now know better. Do Polish Police patrol motorways in unmarked cars?! It's quite common here in the UK.


yes they do but definitely not on the scale of the British police and I am pretty sure black mercedeses on the shoulder of the motorway can pretty often escape their attention as they are after speed drivers (actually they are after cash - you must have heard of 'temporary financial difficulties' in the Polish police)
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 Sep 5, 11, 20:02    #13
(where do they get these cars from?!).


don't imagine they make that much out of scamming people like this over there...
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 Sep 5, 11, 20:02    #14
Ive experienced that in Poland an old BMW full of what i assumed were Roma gypsies, flashing me like mad from behind, so i pulled over. This one guy started to talk about fuel and by that time id had enough so i just left. It was obviously a scam of some sort so i just drove off. I too was in a GB plated car.

Reminds me of those guys in the UK that used to drive around in brand new Merc's and Audi's selling fake gold and watches.

I feel sorry for them really.
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 Sep 5, 11, 20:02    #15
it was at a service station though, wouldn't pull up on M1 hard shoulder unless my engine exploded or something.....
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 Sep 5, 11, 20:08    #16
Do Polish Police patrol motorways in unmarked cars?!


Not really, but if they do, they'll be clearly marked if they want to pull you over. In general though, unmarked cars are pretty rare in Poland - it's unlikely that they'd just be patrolling on the motorway for the hell of it.

I could have exposed our lives to great danger


It wouldn't have been great danger - apart from to your wallet ;)

(actually they are after cash - you must have heard of 'temporary financial difficulties' in the Polish police)


They're doing a crap job of getting it - they keep sitting in the same old places in Poznan that anyone with half a brain avoids speeding in. Mind you, there's always cars pulled over...

(I'm very much of the impression that the police presence on the roads needs strengthened, significantly, even if it takes away my ability to do 100km/h on a 70km/h road late at night...)

flashing me like mad from behind


For me, that's just an instant reason not to stop - too many scams involving cars inviting people to pull over. Another variant involves pointing at your wheels as if there's a problem - like anyone on the motorway would bother looking at other cars wheels.
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 Sep 5, 11, 20:26    #17
For me, that's just an instant reason not to stop - too many scams involving cars inviting people to pull over. Another variant involves pointing at your wheels as if there's a problem - like anyone on the motorway would bother looking at other cars wheels.


Unfortunately, in 1990s several people, including German tourists, lost their expensive cars in that way.
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 Sep 5, 11, 20:28    #18
Not really, but if they do, they'll be clearly marked if they want to pull you over. In general though, unmarked cars are pretty rare in Poland - it's unlikely that they'd just be patrolling on the motorway for the hell of it.


i'd argue that there are loads of unmarked police cars.
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Edited by: Wroclaw Boy  Sep 5, 11, 20:38    #19
i'd argue that there are loads of unmarked police cars.

there's enough - one of those buggers grabbed me last year, i got away lightly though 100PLN down from 300PLN for speeding. He said "do you speak English?" i said "yeah" he said "you too fast drive" i had to stop myself from bursting out laughing.
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 Sep 15, 11, 12:11    #20
Not really, but if they do, they'll be clearly marked if they want to pull you over. In general though, unmarked cars are pretty rare in Poland - it's unlikely that they'd just be patrolling on the motorway for the hell of it.


There are unmarked Police cars on the A4 and A1/E75, if they pull you over they will flash a Policja on the back of the car ( they do not drive BMW or Mercedes ) The only Mercedes( black ) you will see driving with flashing lights are the Government security transporting ministers or accompanying foreign diplomats, they would not pull you over as they are normally traveling in excess of 120 klm.
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 Sep 15, 11, 12:41    #21
pawian observed:
The guys aren`t Turkish, they are mostly gypsies, I suppose.


Just what I was thinking.



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