Worlds most liveable cities (Krakow or Warsaw don't even hit the radar screens)

wielki panThreads: 3 Posts: 278 Joined: Jan 7, 11 ♂	Sep 1, 11, 05:30 #1
A new survey has found that Melbourne is the most liveable city in the world!!.. I cannot understand why Krakow or Warsaw don't even hit the radar screens..I think living in Krakow is great. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_most_livable_cities

scottie1113Threads: 11 Posts: 873 Joined: Mar 13, 07 ♂	Sep 1, 11, 07:50 #2
Warsaw? Not a chance. About Krakow, I don't know. Maybe because of winters in Poland, but that's just a guess.

legendThreads: 9 Posts: 819 Joined: Apr 23, 11 ♂	Sep 1, 11, 08:16 #3
I live in the 4th best city. daj mi cukierki :)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 1, 11, 09:19 #4
Can't you see a bias towards OZ and Canada? Melbourne is supposedly a cracking city but quite a few residents leave. Maybe a few years ago when Poland was decidedly cheaper, Kraków would have been right up there but prices have soared and that makes it less attractive. It is a beautiful city for sure :)

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Sep 1, 11, 10:17 #5

Kraków would have been right up there but prices have soared and that makes it less attractive

When u take into account the Important factors that they take into consideration then maybe u would understand why beautiful Kraków is nowhere near that list.As a whole the Country has still got a long way to go but i'm optimistic about the future. As to the cost of living this one does not consider that here is a quote from the Article (low personal risk and an effective infrastructure. It does not take into account the cost of living as a factor in 'livability'). There is another list that comes out yearly i think it's about the Best countries to live in(they consider the cost of living compared to the average salaries) and the Last time Finland topped the list

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Sep 1, 11, 10:33 #6

Look at the criteria of these lists:

widespread availability of goods and services
low personal risk
effective infrastructure
education
hygiene
health care
culture
environment
recreation
political-economic stability
international connectivity
climate/sunshine
quality of architecture
tolerance
environmental issues and access to nature
urban design
business conditions
pro-active policy developments

It's actually quite obvious why no Polish city is on the list (yet).

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Sep 1, 11, 10:34 #7
I cannot understand why Krakow or Warsaw don't even hit the radar screens Are you actually serious?!?! Why would they? We are talking about the most liveable cities IN THE WORLD. No offence, but I think hell would freeze over before anywhere in Poland has the tiniest chance.

wielki panThreads: 3 Posts: 278 Joined: Jan 7, 11 ♂	Sep 1, 11, 10:56 #8
No offence, but I think hell would freeze over before anywhere in Poland has the tiniest chance. //--> lol..obviously not a Pole. lol Can't you see a bias towards OZ and Canada? hmm please explain!!

JasminThreads: 1 Posts: 3 Joined: Aug 30, 11 ♀	Sep 1, 11, 11:32 #9
Hey friends come visit the "pearl oh the orient" THE PHILIPPINES.

Monia

Sep 1, 11, 11:41 #10

Everything depends on the perspective of individual rankings and sponsors, who contribute from the ranking.

Is the company which prepared above ranking reliable , the company that stands at odds with the law?

Stock Exchange Scandal

In 2004, Mercer admitted giving the NYSE board a compensation report that contained "omissions and inaccuracies" that led to a $139.5 million pay package for former NYSE Chairman Richard Grasso. Mercer had been brought in to advise the stock exchange on Grasso's 2003 contract and his request for $139.5 million. The consultancy returned $440,000 in fees it collected from the NYSE and provided key documents in the lawsuit.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercer_Human_Resource_Consulting

The following presents a different ranking of quality of life, in which Poland stands high. So ,I advise to read rankings from various sources .
http://www.uswitch.com/news/money/uk-worst-place-to-live-in-europe-usw itch-quality-of-life-index-890419/

This is more reliable company than Mercer by all means undoubtedly .

uSwitch.com is a UK-based price comparison and switching website started in 2000. The site allows consumers to compare prices for a range of energy, personal finance, insurance and communications services. According to The Times, uSwitch is one of the two most established price comparison websites, and has been highlighted as being among the best money-saving websites for students.

antheadsThreads: 13 Posts: 306 Joined: Jan 21, 11 ♂	Sep 1, 11, 12:35 #11
hah melbourne rocks, and one of the reasons is that the major said over my dead body to ripping up the trams in the 60s, as the oil industrialists forced all over the world , one of the pluses in living in poland :)

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Sep 1, 11, 12:40 #12

Monia
Is the company which prepared above ranking reliable , the company that stands at odds with the law?

Tut tut! Yet again you accuse people of breaking the law; it's only a matter of time before that foolish policy of yours gets you into very hot water.

Monia
This is more reliable company than Mercer by all means undoubtedly .

Really? Is that why they claim that the net average monthly household income in Poland is 3,137zl? The Polish government tells us that the average gross wage in Poland is 3,466.33 zł. So either the Polish government is getting something rather wrong, or a British energy trading company is. I'm shocked that a Pole would ever take the word of a British energy trading company over that of their own government!

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,861 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Sep 1, 11, 13:56 #13
Without the cost of living figured in, the list is pretty useless, IMHO.

Monia

Sep 1, 11, 14:17 #14

the average gross wage in Poland is 3,466.33 zł.

I'm shocked that a Pole would ever take the word of a British energy trading company over that of their own government!

You comprehend on the level of a preschool child, if you have made such stupid conclusions .

Don`t troll , just read the stats - current and last year`s , then find out the ranking`s date . Then make up wiser conclusions .
uSwitch ranking is rather reliable ranking, because it compares not only prices but also other aspects of life .

The uSwitch.com study examined 16 factors to understand where the UK sits in relation to nine other major European countries. Variables such as net income, VAT and the cost of essential goods, such as fuel, food and energy bills, were examined along with lifestyle factors, such as hours of sunshine, holiday entitlement, working hours and life expectancy to provide a complete picture of the quality of life experienced in each country.

PWEI or Harry read also this , but I guess it is too complicated for you :
Quality of Life Index research was conducted by Research Insight in August 2010 with further analysis conducted by uSwitch.com based on the following standardisation methodology: A standardised score for each variable across each country was calculated based on the following: Standardised score = (raw score - average)/standard deviation. For example, average net income across all countries is £34,858.20 and the standard deviation (average distance from the mean) was £6,513.02. Net income in Denmark is £39,997. Standardised score = (39,997 - 34,858.20)/ 6,513.02= 0.79. As this represents the distance between the raw score and the average, when the standardised score is negative, the raw score falls below the mean, and when positive, the score falls above. Overall Quality of Life is defined as the sum of the standardised scores.

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Sep 1, 11, 14:36 #15

Monia
uSwitch ranking is rather reliable ranking

Yes, uSwitch is entirely reliable. Proof of this comes from the title of their article "UK worst place to live in Europe: Quality of Life Index": in reality their own table shows that the UK is not the worst place to live in Europe and that Ireland is the worst place to live in Europe. Or at least it is of the ten EU countries which they bothered to analyse.

net income, VAT and the cost of essential goods, such as fuel, food and energy bills, were examined along with lifestyle factors, such as hours of sunshine, holiday entitlement, working hours and life expectancy

And of those:
net income UK 365% higher
VAT Poland 30% higher
hours of sunshine Poland 2.5% higher
holiday entitlement Poland higher but data clearly unreliable and so it's hard to make an accurate assessment
working hours Poland 11% higher
life expectancy UK 4.5% higher
Meaning that Poland wins one of the above slightly and one by more and the UK wins all the rest. But somehow uSwitch thinks Poland has the better quality of life!

And almost any idiot knows that prices mean very little unless purchasing power adjusted.

Monia	Sep 1, 11, 14:46 #16
PWEI - have you checked all 16 factors ? I guess not . It was prepared by specialists in finances and statistics , but not English Language teachers , so your conclusions lack that feature . I love teachers, by the way and have nothing against this profession . But , sorry Harry, you are not an expert for me , so your contesting comments are unmeaningful for me .

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Sep 1, 11, 15:14 #17

Monia
PWEI - have you checked all 16 factors ?

Clearly you haven't. But just for a laugh, let’s have a look at the full six:

Net household income: UK 365% higher = UK huge win
VAT Poland 30% higher = UK win
Working hours: Poland 11% higher UK win
Hours of sunshine: Poland 2.5% higher = Poland slight win
Retirement age: UK higher but life expectancy also higher and pensions higher = = Poland slight win
Holiday entitlement: Poland higher but data clearly unreliable and so it's hard to make an accurate assessment = Poland win
Education spending (as percentage of GDP): Level as percentage of GDP so UK five times higher in real terms = UK huge win
Health spending: UK 30% higher in terms of percentage of GDP = UK huge win

Petrol: UK 19% higher but incomes in UK 365% higher too = UK huge win
Diesel: UK 28% higher but incomes in UK 365% higher too = UK huge win
Electricity: UK 26% higher but incomes in UK 365% higher too = UK huge win
Alcohol: UK 22% higher (is that why you like Poland so much?) = Poland win
Food prices: UK 5% higher = Poland win
Cigarettes: UK 370% higher but incomes in UK 365% higher too = Poland slight win
Life expectancy: UK 4.5% higher = UK slight win

Perhaps you’d like to tally up the wins there.

Monia
It was prepared by specialists in finances and statistics

Please don’t lie: it was prepared by a UK company which specialises in energy. And one which is clever enough to say that the ninth nation out of ten is the “worst”. They must really be experts when it comes to statistics!

But interestingly, one of the sources of the information used was Mercer Human Resource Consulting. What was it you had to say about them?

Monia
you are not an expert for me ,

Still annoyed that my knowledge of Polish law is so much better than yours that you are the one looking at a criminal record?

Monia

Sep 1, 11, 16:13 #18

Still annoyed that my knowledge of Polish law is so much better than yours that you are the one looking at a criminal record?

I imagine that you go around in your tiny room and ruminate for all day long, how to distort the facts contained in my posts . Today the school has just started, so maybe it is time you should start preparing subjects for tomorrow`s classes . You are right . I am just a beginer comparing to you . Your legal knowledge can`t be compared to mine at any aspect , you can even start thinking about starting a cereer as a defence lawyer in Poland . Your knowledge acquired from the internet is just sufficient to practice law in any EU country , but since you live in Poland and your command of Polish language is excellent just go ahead follow your dreams , conquer the land of Slavs with your erudition . Show that Ausie can do it .

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Sep 1, 11, 16:22 #19

Monia
Today the school has just started, so maybe it is time you should start preparing subjects for tomorrow`s classes .

Sorry Moania but I'm not a teacher. Given that you like to lie about other people's professions, I wonder if you could also be lying about yours.

I take it from the fact that your post made absolutely no attempt to deal with any of the points raised in my last message that you know you have lost yet another debate and so you just move to making personal comments. Pity, I always enjoy showing how stupid you are, nearly as much as I enjoy pointing out what a liar you are.

Monia

Sep 1, 11, 16:34 #20

Returning to the topic, PWEI , answer the question, what is left in the wallet for the average Briton after paying for housing or mortgage or paying other bills for living expenses or how many times a year can he go for holidays . I think his situation is not so much different than that of the average Pole`s . Always the only reliable indicator is purchasing power rather than the nominal value of money.

tovarischThreads: 2 Posts: 19 Joined: Aug 26, 11 ♂	Sep 1, 11, 16:37 #21
I'm surprised nobody mentioned Dublin. It is a very clean and friendly city. I went there, and people have a lot of energy and enthusiasm. A lot better than the overrated town across the river known as London

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Edited by: Teffle Sep 1, 11, 16:44 #22
Dublin. It is a very clean and friendly city. I went there, and people have a lot of energy and enthusiasm Friendly, energy, enthusiasm - maybe, but clean it most definitely is not. You must have been lucky! Returning to the topic, PWEI The topic by the way is most liveable in city, not the relative merits of countries and their costs of living.

Monia

Sep 1, 11, 16:51 #23

So, PWEI , the experts from that British survey, placed Poland on 5-th place, in spite of the lowest per capita income , they were not retards and comprehended the meaning of UK average income per capita , still placing Poland at much better position , Einstein .

Now, I see you deny that you teach children , but not long ago you were moaning that I undermined your position as a teacher , so now, I realise that you are a compulsive liar , Harry .

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Sep 1, 11, 16:54 #24

Monia
Returning to the topic, PWEI , answer the question, what is left in the wallet for the average Briton after paying for housing or mortgage or paying other bills for living expenses or how many times a year can he go for holidays . I think his situation is not so much different than that of the average Pole`s .

Sorry Moania but it doesn't work like that: you want to claim that the situation of the average Pole is not so much different from the average Brit's, you prove your claim.

Monia
Always the only reliable indicator is purchasing power rather than the nominal value of money.

Which explains why you place so much faith in a study which simply looks at prices of good and makes no attempt to factor in salary levels to the real cost of those prices.

By the way, given that you are constantly telling us all how only people who are experts in specific fields should dare to express an opinion about anything, could you perhaps go into detail about your academic and professional qualifications in both statistics and economics? Thanks.

Monia

Sep 1, 11, 17:10 #25

Teffle

I don`t simply beleve in that survey , so for me it is very stupid to make similar survay but I understand it is done for certain purposes.

Back on track ; for me , the most liveable city is Warsaw , have you got any doubts ? Nice and friendly people , clean steets and buildings , no ghetto or slum areas , no poverty , many green areas , lots of public space , sport facilities . Lots of investments , many enterpreneurial possibilities .It has got a spark of an old and very modern city. Huge and efficient public transportation system . Theatres and modern cinemas , plenty of restaurants . Anything you wish for is here . But I guess my opinion sparks many negative responses, because what I said it can be said by anyone about any city in a developed country . I have lived in Toronto , so I can compare those two cities and my answer is such that I wouldn`t want to live in Toronto . Toronto is nothing but a big village , sorry Canadian folks.

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Sep 1, 11, 17:14 #26
for me , the most liveable city is Warsaw LOL - I'm sorry Monia, but are you actually saying that Warsaw is the best city to live in, in the entire world?? C'mon, please! Apart from Toronto, how many cities have you lived in by the way, outside of Poland, to make such a bold claim?

Monia	Sep 1, 11, 17:18 #27
both statistics and economics? Thanks. I don`t make any research work in economics and statistics ,but I just read the data and try to make my own conclusions , contrary to you, who deny and distort and try to contest some expert`s findings .

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Sep 1, 11, 17:32 #28

Monia
the experts from that British survey, placed Poland on 5-th place, in spite of the lowest per capita income , they were not retards and comprehended the meaning of UK average income per capita , still placing Poland at much better position , Einstein .

The 'experts' who conclude that Poland is better to live in because in the price of petrol, gas and electricity is about 20% lower in Euros but neglected to factor in that incomes in the UK are nearly five times higher. It seems that they are experts on quality of life in the same way that you are an expert on Polish law.

Monia
Now, I see you deny that you teach children , but not long ago you were moaning that I undermined your position as a teacher , so now, I realise that you are a compulsive liar , Harry .

I haven't taught children since the mid 1990s. And the complain wasn't about undermining my position but about you trying to expose me to the loss of confidence necessary for a given position, occupation, or type of activity. Three year statute of limitation, isn't it?

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,474 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Sep 1, 11, 17:36 #29
international connectivity Australia is friggen a million miles from everywhere, Canadas not exactly international friendly either.

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Sep 1, 11, 18:11 #30
international connectivity My first instinct was not to take this as a measure of ease of access but connected in a sense that they are not culturally isolated, or isolated in terms of doing business etc, they are in touch with the rest of the world, that kind of thing - but who knows?

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