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Do you think a smoking ban would be a good thing in Polish restaurants and Bars?

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Jan 21, 10, 11:05 #61

bullfrog:

Based on this logic, your home is a public area

It’s a private dwelling actually (buildings are categorised), all that public house means is that its open to the public (its not a private members bar), some pubs are called free houses (that’s thrown you hasn’t it!). Public places are spaces or buildings that the public frequent or use, public toilets are toilets that the public use, they usually have to pay for the privilege too...are you getting the gist?

peterweg:

I'll be happy to let smokers continue their habit

Jolly good of you Peter, Im sure you're happy with the billions of ££ revenue that the gov gets of us dirty smokers too, its an average of £3.00 on a pk of fags these days..fatties are a bigger health problem before you go down the road of what my tax is spent on!

jonni:

In the UK it's happened already and makes my heart break to see traditional pubs that used to be the focus of a community either boarded up of being turned into flats.

Its the less weathly areas that have been really hit, where I live most of the bars are doing fine, BUT, a lot have really accommodated the smokers - one the pubs I go to has an outside covered area with heaters and flat screen on the wall (for the sports fans) and most have really upped their game where food is concerned...In the more (what were) working class areas, forget it, but this has a lot to do with who lives there these days.....Well, Howarth is doing very well...it'll be a sad day if any of my fav pubs close there!!!!

King SobieskiThreads: 7 Posts: 1,103 Joined: Jan 22, 07 ♂	Jan 21, 10, 13:28 #62
Amathyst: Its the less weathly areas that have been really hit, where I live most of the bars are doing fine, BUT, a lot have really accommodated the smokers - in australia it was rumoured that some tobacco companies actually paid for some licensed venues to setup beer gardens/smoking areas...

bravoThreads: 4 Posts: 101 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♂	Edited by: Moderator Jan 21, 10, 13:46 #63
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/smoking-ban-leaves-any-comp romise-out-in-cold-2007139.html I'm sitting in a bar in Warsaw, drinking a coffee, reading newspapers on line and smoking cigarettes. And I can tell you one thing for nothing -- it's a beautiful thing not to be treated like a flea-ridden pariah.

crowdedcold	Jan 29, 10, 21:35 #64
Smoking should be banned and people smoking should take prison time. They are killers/assasins of others and polluting the air

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: jonni Jan 29, 10, 21:40 #65
crowdedcold How long did you smoke for and how many a day?

TheOtherThreads: 4 Posts: 1,440 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Jan 29, 10, 21:40 #66
crowdedcold: Smoking should be banned and people smoking should take prison time If you don't like it, why don't you hold your breath until the smoker is done with his cigarette? :)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jan 29, 10, 21:42 #67
So how about those with BO, some prison time for them too? ;) How about what Pizza Hut did here, a policy of segregation? I think the level of custom lost after outright bans really hurts business.

crowdedcold	Jan 29, 10, 21:48 #68
so great, let's have businesses of inhaling cyanide everyone. cyanide kills imediately, smoking makes you die in pain... in few years. it is just a question of speed

convexThreads: 47 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Jan 29, 10, 21:55 #69
crowdedcold: so great, let's have businesses of inhaling cyanide everyone. cyanide kills imediately, smoking makes you die in pain... in few years. it is just a question of speed So do fatty foods and alcohol...oh, and stress.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jan 29, 10, 21:55 #70
Still, a smoking ban would bring Poland in line with other EU countries. Scotland drafted in this change back in March 2006. Ireland was before this. Ever hear about those fit people who fall down dead in their youth? I've heard of quite a few.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Jan 29, 10, 21:55 #71
crowdedcold: so great, let's have businesses of inhaling cyanide everyone. Not as pleasurable as a good long draw on a Marlboro. We are all free to choose a method of suicide; why not choose one you enjoy.

scottie1113Threads: 10 Posts: 814 Joined: Mar 13, 07 ♂	Jan 29, 10, 23:44 #72
wildrover: For the Americans here...in this context , a fag is a cigarette , and not a homosexual.. I was in a pub with an English friend last summer. He asked me if he could pinch a fag, thought for a moment and said maybe that's the wrong thing to ask to ask a Yank.

convexThreads: 47 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Jan 29, 10, 23:51 #73
jonni: We are all free to choose a method of suicide; why not choose one you enjoy. could you imagine being buried with clean lungs? a functioning liver?

krediThreads: 1 Posts: 5 Joined: Jan 8, 10 ♀	Jan 30, 10, 00:03 #74
well, I think smoking ban is great thing. I used to chain smoke and didn't mind smoking ban in England. I'm pretty sure Poles will appreciate it but maybe not at the beggining.

Peter Weg

Jan 30, 10, 00:04 #75

jonni:

crowdedcold:
so great, let's have businesses of inhaling cyanide everyone.

Not as pleasurable as a good long draw on a Marlboro.

Although its the same, cigarette smoke contains cyanide.

To smokers I have one thing to say: **** you. Its what smokers say every time they light up a fag in public. If you are going to have selfish habit don't expect any sympathy when you get taxed to death and banned from public places.

HarryThreads: 59 Posts: 7,996 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂	Jan 30, 10, 00:13 #76
^ Bars & restaurants are not public places. They are private spaces. If you don't like what the owner does there, don't give him your money.

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Jan 30, 10, 00:17 #77

It would be great! Smoking is soooooooooo old school, out of style, archaic, antiquated, behind the times, not hip anymore, passe', unfashionable, primitive, outdated, timeworn, obsolete and outmoded.

I remember some years back here in California after they banned smoking in public work places and stores they then went after restaurants and bars a few years later and all the restaurant and bars owners were up in arms screaming that they would lose business. Exactly the opposite happened, business increased dramatically because people could go out and enjoy a nice evening having a few drinks or dinner without coming home hacking and coughing from breathing in all the smoke. Their hair and clothes didn't stink anymore. You can hardly get a table these days in California as all the pubs and restaurants are packed nightly.

Ploand will ban sooner or later as the rest of the world too. Whether you like it or not, smoking is going bye-bye.

bullfrogThreads: 4 Posts: 379 Joined: Apr 23, 09 ♂	Jan 30, 10, 00:21 #78
Harry: ^ Bars & restaurants are not public places. They are private spaces. If you don't like what the owner does there, don't give him your money Again?? Yawn...

convexThreads: 47 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Jan 30, 10, 00:21 #79
Harry: ^ Bars & restaurants are not public places. They are private spaces. If you don't like what the owner does there, don't give him your money. Which is why my first choice for restaurants are non smoking and I boycott bars that don't allow me to light up. Vote with your money.

TheOtherThreads: 4 Posts: 1,440 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Jan 30, 10, 00:26 #80
RonWest: Whether you like it or not, smoking is going bye-bye Hell no, we just exchange the regular cigarette with a spliff. Medical marihuana is really popular in CA these days, you know... :)

RonWestThreads: 3 Posts: 165 Joined: Jan 6, 10 ♂	Jan 30, 10, 01:09 #81
So are the brownies! :)

pantslessThreads: 1 Posts: 118 Joined: Feb 1, 10 ♂	Feb 1, 10, 15:16 #82
Had bars and restaurants installed something called a ventilation system it wouldnt be that bad.

Cardno85Threads: 33 Posts: 857 Joined: Jul 11, 08 MEMBER ♂	Feb 1, 10, 15:35 #83
Amathyst: some pubs are called free houses Just so folk don't see this and go running in, a free house is a pub that is "free" from any brewery ties ie. they can use any brewery they like.

HarryThreads: 59 Posts: 7,996 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂	Feb 1, 10, 15:35 #84
bullfrog: Harry:^ Bars & restaurants are not public places. They are private spaces. If you don't like what the owner does there, don't give him your money Again?? Yawn... And again you completely fail to address the issue. What gives you the right to tell somebody which legal activity he can and can not perform on his own property?

convexThreads: 47 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Feb 1, 10, 15:58 #85
Harry: And again you completely fail to address the issue. What gives you the right to tell somebody which legal activity he can and can not perform on his own property? Unfortunately, for the private property argument, corporations are provided charters by the government and are bound by any rules that are set out by said mass of people.

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Feb 1, 10, 17:06 #86

convex:

Unfortunately, for the private property argument, corporations are provided charters by the government and are bound by any rules that are set out by said mass of people.

And back we come to the point: why does one person have the right to dictate to another person which legal activities they can allow on their property? I can't stand being near screaming children: do I just avoid places which allow people to bring their brats or do I demand that screaming children are banned from all the places I want to go to?

convexThreads: 47 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Feb 1, 10, 17:32 #87
Trust me, I'm with you 100% here. But...seeing as corporations are given charters to exist by the authorities, they are bound by whatever silly laws are created by the government. That's what happens when private property laws are eroded, and you have governments that act more like democracies than republics. He who whines the loudest...

Mikas	Feb 1, 10, 18:14 #88
A smoking ban would be very good. But polish government is very corrupt, don't expect such modern laws from them. They will probably just take bribe from Philip Morris and the cigarettes industry and that's all

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,755 Joined: Jul 3, 08 ♂	Feb 1, 10, 18:36 #89
Mikas: They will probably just take bribe from Philip Morris and the cigarettes industry and that's all i will pray for that scenario

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Feb 1, 10, 19:18 #90

Harry:

And back we come to the point: why does one person have the right to dictate to another person which legal activities they can allow on their property?

It is not one person, it is the parliament who passes the law. You (and many others) have the right to kick them out at the next election if you are not happy with what they do.

Harry:

do I just avoid places which allow people to bring their brats or do I demand that screaming children are banned from all the places I want to go to?

You have two options: (i) you lobby your MP/government and get them to pass a law banning screaming children from places you are likely to honour with your presence or (ii) you get elected yourself to Parliament on the basis of such (and others) proposals!