Double standards...

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Oct 16, 10, 23:17 #1

I expect to get suspended from saying this, but why can some posters use racial abuse such as pak1 and n1gger and dont get suspended?
Dont the mods know that its easier to sue them rather than the forum itself for allowing such racism to occur? Im sure Seanus would back me up when it comes to that point, if its a public forum run by certain mods, then the mods are responsible for the posts that are allowed. Mods in the UK are responsible by law to act on racism as well as other crap.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: delphiandomine Oct 16, 10, 23:21 #2
Legally - the person who publishes the material is responsible. That means the forum admin and the original poster of the material. I don't get it either though - we were actually laughing about this in the pub last night - PolishForums - you can post racist hate speech, but you can't go off topic!

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Oct 16, 10, 23:25 #3

delphiandomine:

I don't get it either though - we were actually laughing about this in the pub last night - PolishForums - you can post racist hate speech, but you can't go off topic!

thing is that if i knew that a particular mod is on duty at the time a post has been made, it would be (from discussions from my lawyers) easier to sue the mod responsible. easier to find address, person ect rather than search for some random person.

AmathystThreads: 30 Posts: 3,968 Joined: Nov 10, 06 ♀	Oct 16, 10, 23:27 #4
pak1 is merely an abreviation same as Scot and Brit...it depends on the conotation, black people call each other n!gger all the time..again.. conotation...Im not going to get upset when someone uses Brit in a derogatory way, maybe because Im not that bothered..Stop being so phucking politically correct. Yawn..What has this got to do with Poland?

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Edited by: dtaylor5632 Oct 16, 10, 23:28 #5

Amathyst:

pak1 is merely an abreviation same as Scot and Brit.

is it an abreviation used in the context a certain spainish(thats questionable) friend of ours uses it?

Amathyst:

black people call each other n!gger all the time

Still doesnt make it right does it?

Amathyst:

Stop being so phucking politically correct.

Who the feck is being PC? big difference from pc to being damn right provocative.

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Oct 16, 10, 23:31 #6

dtaylor5632:

thing is that if i knew that a particular mod is on duty at the time a post has been made,

When I made this point a few days ago - nobody backed me up.

dtaylor5632:

but why can some posters use racial abuse such as pak1 and n1gger and dont get suspended?

That was also jola's point in Polack thread. You are waking up now?

delphiandomine:

you can post racist hate speech, but you can't go off topic!

Yes, you can call every Polish woman a ***** and a prostitute at your leisure but as long as you are on the thread "All Polish women are *****s" you are OK.

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Oct 16, 10, 23:33 #7
Bzibzioh: You are waking up now? I woke up a long time ago but said feck all untill it became something directed at me.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Oct 16, 10, 23:36 #8
Bzibzioh: Yes, you can call every Polish woman a *** and a prostitute at your leisure but as long as you are on the thread "All Polish women are ***s" you are OK. It's absolute lunacy and inexplicable. I don't think it's the mods decision, though.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,440 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Oct 16, 10, 23:36 #9
dtaylor5632: but why can some posters use racial abuse such as pak1 and n1gger and dont get suspended? because if it's white it's gotta be right

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Oct 16, 10, 23:37 #10
delphiandomine: I don't think it's the mods decision, though. its the mods who suspended 4-5 folk tonight... they also read the "polish women are prozzy threads"

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,783 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Oct 16, 10, 23:38 #11
Bzibzioh: nobody backed me up. dtaylor5632: they will ignore you even now :) you are not from their posse

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: delphiandomine Oct 16, 10, 23:40 #12
dtaylor5632: its the mods who suspended 4-5 folk tonight... they also read the "polish women are prozzy threads" No no...I don't think it's the mods decision. After all, he who pays makes the decisions, right? ;)

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Oct 16, 10, 23:44 #13
delphiandomine: After all, he who pays makes the decisions, right? ;) so you would be suggesting that it should lie on the admins shoulders. considering that he lives in the US it would make it harder to sue him, the mods who also have a responsibility to stick to are based in the EU, therefore come under the EU racial laws.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 16, 10, 23:44 #14
True enough, Davie. However, there is a stated rule that what is expressed on the forum isn't taken elsewhere. Check rule 20 in the list of rules.

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Edited by: dtaylor5632 Oct 16, 10, 23:48 #15

Seanus:

Check rule 20 in the list of rules.

are the rules attributed to EU law? Rules can be seen in many different ways. For example no longer are private companies being sued these days, lawyers are now going after the individuals. If you are moderating a forum and let some things pass under the radar such as racist comments, who do you think they will look to make a quick buck from, those who made the comments or those who were responsible for letting them go?

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Edited by: delphiandomine Oct 16, 10, 23:49 #16

dtaylor5632:

so you would be suggesting that it should lie on the admins shoulders. considering that he lives in the US it would make it harder to sue him, the mods who also have a responsibility to stick to are based in the EU, therefore come under the EU racial laws.

No, I'm suggesting that the racist crap on here exists only because the admin approves it. The mods know fine well that it exists, but for it to stay suggests only one thing - that the admin has no problem with it.

It would be interesting to know if the mods can actually ban anyone - most forums tend to separate moderation powers from administrative powers. It wouldn't be the first time that random bans have been handed out!

There is one problem with the concept of suing the mods - you would have to get access logs from the server. American webhosts are more than likely going to refuse such a request from an EU lawyer - so you'd have to pay to take them to court in the US. Who is going to pay for this?

Generally speaking, the authorities in both the EU and US aren't bothered by the existence of racist material on the internet.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,440 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Oct 17, 10, 02:00 #17
delphiandomine: No, I'm suggesting that the racist crap on here exists only because the admin approves it

AmathystThreads: 30 Posts: 3,968 Joined: Nov 10, 06 ♀	Oct 17, 10, 02:12 #18
delphiandomine: No, I'm suggesting that the racist crap on here exists only because the admin approves it. There is a button, use it and phuck off...Admin are just fine, you are the whiny fart that is irritating! Just like trapped wind usually is! Painful and always unecessary!

warszawskiThreads: 60 Posts: 2,386 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Oct 17, 10, 02:37 #19
dtaylor5632: thing is that if i knew that a particular mod is on duty at the time a post has been made, it would be (from discussions from my lawyers) easier to sue the mod responsible. easier to find address, person ect rather than search for some random person. Would it not be easier ,just to report the post.

Pinching PeteThreads: 1 Posts: 1,111 Joined: Feb 23, 08 ♂	Oct 17, 10, 02:44 #20
delphiandomine: the authorities in both the EU and US aren't bothered by the existence of racist material on the internet. You know why? Because it's easily avoided.. WTF.. you keeping clicking on to this b@stard, no? This place isn't racist anyway.. just some guys letting off some steam. Besides, it's often amusing.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,440 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Oct 17, 10, 02:47 #21
Pinching Pete: This place isn't racist anyway.. just some guys letting off some steam. Besides, it's often amusing. yea!!! you tell them Pete

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Oct 17, 10, 02:51 #22

dtaylor5632:

I woke up a long time ago but said feck all untill it became something directed at me.

And should that serve you as a learning experience: you shouldn't ignore injustice only because you are not the recipient at the moment, and only react when you finally do.

warszawski:

Would it not be easier ,just to report the post.

You can't report your own posts. So if mod is adding his comment to it, you don't know which one of them paid you his special attention. They are basically avoiding responsibility this way. When I asked admin about it, he ignored this issue. As we can see today this lack of communication between posters and mods is creating a mess and bad atmosphere.

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Edited by: Amathyst Oct 17, 10, 02:54 #23

PennBoy:

yea!!! you tell them Pete

3 cheers for PETE!

Bzibzioh:

They are basically avoiding responsibility this way.

No phukcwhit, they are unpaid and doing what they can...

My advice to you is, join another forum and tout your dodgy immigration sevices else where!

Bzibzioh:

And should that serve you as a learning experience: you shouldn't ignore injustice only because you are not the recipient at the moment, and only react when you finally do.

Should I stand and hold one hand over my left breast whilst reciting the above?

Pinching PeteThreads: 1 Posts: 1,111 Joined: Feb 23, 08 ♂	Oct 17, 10, 03:02 #24
Amathyst: PennBoy: yea!!! you tell them Pete 3 cheers for PETE! Thank you, gang.. now if you excuse me I must go and start a n*gger joke thread.

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Edited by: guesswho Oct 17, 10, 03:20 #25

dtaylor5632:

why can some posters use racial abuse such as pak1 and n1gger and dont get suspended?

Well, let's talk about it. I'm against racial abuse too but if calling a black person a nig*er is bad then it should be just as bad when blacks call us "white crackers", right? I know it doesn't sound too bad to Europeans to be called "white crackers" but over here, it sounds just as bad as when a white person calls a black person a "nig*er".
That's why I'm here with the mods. Either don't allow any racial abuse or allow it both ways.

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Oct 17, 10, 03:22 #26

Amathyst:

they are unpaid and doing what they can.

That they are not getting paid doesn't mean they can behave like a bunch of lunatics.

Amathyst:

My advice to you is, join another forum and tout your dodgy immigration sevices else where!

Huh?

Amathyst:

Should I stand and hold one hand over my left breast whilst reciting the above?

No, but you can get a clue what this whole discussion is about.

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Oct 17, 10, 03:37 #27

Bzibzioh:

That they are not getting paid doesn't mean they can behave like a bunch of lunatics.

They do what they can..always have...Ive been here nearly 5 years...and apart from one mod I havent got any complaints..

Bzibzioh:

Huh?

He advises how pakis can enter Poland..and stay, its ironic really, a Brit doing that in Poland, Id laugh if it wasnt so tragic.

Bzibzioh:

No, but you can get a clue what this whole discussion is about.

If you read what he wrote, you'd understand my response (which you quoted)..your reponse was quite unrelated..and not really relevant..Do you have a point to make? If so, please be clear about it.

At the end of the day, Admim do their best, and in their own time..cudos to them for that..

Im going to make a point now of saying

THANK YOU ADMIN FOR PROVIDING YOUR SERVICE..My thanks is It's over due..

As for double standards, its all relative...we perceive things differently...some do some dont as Sheep says..

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,440 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Oct 17, 10, 03:38 #28
guesswho: I know it doesn't sound too bad to Europeans to be called "white crackers" but over here, it sounds just as bad as when a white person calls a black person a "nig*er". yea and it has become so common to call us grown men, white boys, call him a black boy it's racism, he calls u a white boy it's nothing. reverse racism, because in the old days in the south they called black men boys.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Edited by: Bzibzioh Oct 17, 10, 03:55 #29
Amathyst: If you read what he wrote, you'd understand my response We are not discussing delphi here. We are talking about double standards in moderating this forum. Take your grudges with delphi to another thread and stop diluting this one with unrelated discussion.

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Edited by: guesswho Oct 17, 10, 04:02 #30

PennBoy:

yea and it has become so common to call us grown men, white boys, call him a black boy it's racism, he calls u a white boy it's nothing. reverse racism, because in the old days in the south they called black men boys.

And the worst thing about it is that when you call them "niggers", you'll be punished and when they call you a "white cracker" nothing happens at all (you can't even report it).
Yeah, this "boy thing" is pretty typical here. I personally don't think that anyone should get punished but if at all, then both sides.

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