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 Jul 2, 11, 09:17    #241
delphiandomine:
Personally, I'd like to see the rules enforced properly.

Absolutely, and I wholeheartedly agree with this as it is the inconsistencies that put people off.

ShawnH:
I am ambidexterous when it comes to measurements. However the threat of "no warning next time" leaves me shaking my head. Comparing my bit of foolish behaviour (at times) to the vile crap that seems to be tolerated by more seasoned trolls is puzzling and as I said, a little perverse.

Well put Shawn!

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 Jul 2, 11, 09:31    #242
delphiandomine:
Personally, I'd like to see the rules enforced properly. It would soon be bye-bye to most posters in this thread


Yes, of course you'd like to see this.. you're British after all. It would mean "bye-bye" to anything spontaneous, wayward erudite, funny and weird .. altogether. Old Wildrover might be a casualty under these rules. What a load of damn fun you would usher in to our little forum, mate. Conformity for every meal. Can't wait.
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Edited by: southern  Jul 2, 11, 09:50    #243
A lot depends on the country you reside.For example much of my stuff appeared to me as extremely rude when I was in Poland while I find it normal when I am here.I also write differently when in CR.So in regards to US much of the stuff that we post here in Europe does not make any sense at all.The reason is that it has no economic significance.I discovered it when I was in US and read the forums they seemed to me as detailed trivialism.On the other hand when in Europe I get angry with the grob approach of the Americans who claim right to be ignorant about details.
So if I formed the forum to my taste it would be very different because I would let the alternative and ban the mainstream which you can find in newspapers as well.
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Edited by: Pinching Pete  Jul 2, 11, 10:03    #244
southern:
Americans who claim right to be ignorant about details.


Apparently Europeans and their satelittes (meaning you) are free from your reproach. You don't have that much grasp on things American. Just the standard "everyone is fat, decadent" Pravda kind of bullsh*t.
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Edited by: Natasa  Jul 2, 11, 10:11    #245
southern:
So if I formed the forum to my taste it would be very different because I would let the alternative and ban the mainstream which you can find in newspapers as well.


I would allow everything, but control the pressure to conform to the mainstream, meaning no tyranny of publicly widely adopted attitudes over the autonomy and opinion of others. That is the bug in democracy, individualism promotes reason of the single individual, yet in absence of other beliefs, publicly shared opinion that provides the feelings of safety, constancy becomes sort of religion in its own right. Untouchable, undebatable.

"individual pays more attention to public opinion- NUMBER becomes main authority that evokes respect, public opinion with immense strength pressures consciousness of every man, it covers it, directs it !!, oppresses it!!!"...paraphrasing the part I recall from A. de Tocqueville

It sounds like Pf to me ;)

Anarchy, again ;))

stop the earth i want to get off
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 Jul 2, 11, 12:14    #246
ShawnH:
Sorry, I am not following... Can you refresh my memory?


Sure, have a look in the trash bin and you'll find two posts that were removed from the public forum when you tried to be a "brave heart" again. I can't believe how gullible you are, doing Randy's dirty work for him.
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 Jul 2, 11, 12:39    #247
I have an issue with thread development. I believe it was alex68 that backed me up on the point that to remove some of my posts was wrong. It was a translation thread and I tried to discuss my experience of the words. I've had the same today with the plumber thread.

Let us remind ourselves what a forum actually is, shall we? OK, it's 'an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages' (own emphasis added). Frankly speaking, it is NOT a place where people should advertise. I'm fed up with Youtube pop-ups and in general with firms advertising anywhere and everywhere. This is a FORUM, not an advertising site. You shove things in peoples' faces like that and you get reactions 'a la Banksy' :) :)

The Poles already have somewhat illegal insider networks who put them ahead of the locals. There was a reliable documentary which showed this queue jumping. The Mods should take stock of what I have just said and encourage discussion, not potentially dubious business.
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 Jul 2, 11, 13:32    #248
Seanus:
I have an issue with thread development.



Seanus:
it is NOT a place where people should advertise.


Seanus:
This is a FORUM, not an advertising site.


On the contrary the "jobs offered" is a forum where genuine employers can offer a job for Polish people. I would agree that this section can attract spammers and other low life who would like nothing more than pay the minimum wages or less. We try to do our best here to scrutinize the ads to see if they are genuine and quickly get rid of the spam.

If the ads are genuine, and a Polish person might gain employment, then that's a good thing. It would not be fair though, if someone placed an ad and members who are not interested in the job, gatecrashed the thread and took it off topic just for the fun of it.

As for the translation section, when people request a translation, it's usually an unique one.That's why we edited the titles to reflect this. This is because anyone searching for a word or phrase can quickly find the answer and doesn't have to search through a "boat load" of "off topic chat" to find it. The search engines will also find these requests also, and that is another reason as to why the thread should be about the word or phrase requested.
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 Jul 2, 11, 13:48    #249
I know you try, Vincent. It still doesn't detract from the fact that a forum is about discussion. I discussed the situation. Amathyst's post was allowed to stay and it was only an attack on the guy. I elaborated 'a la forum' :)

My discussion of the translation was swept off. It had already been translated correctly and I merely said that I wasn't familiar with the term and asked some relevant questions.
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 Jul 2, 11, 16:28    #250
if i see a list of inventors and inventions it will go in the bin.

we've done it all before.

OK, I can confirm that there is sth like that posted.
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 Jul 2, 11, 17:53    #251
Natasa:
I would allow everything, but control the pressure to conform to the mainstream, meaning no tyranny of publicly widely adopted attitudes over the autonomy and opinion of others. That is the bug in democracy, individualism promotes reason of the single individual, yet in absence of other beliefs, publicly shared opinion that provides the feelings of safety, constancy becomes sort of religion in its own right. Untouchable, undebatable.

Good stuff, Nat.
Tyranny by the majority and manufactured consensus. In PF's case this would be the doing of the Liberal faction here.

Vincent:
I can't believe how gullible you are, doing Randy's dirty work for him.

Ah, here we have a moderator playing the dirty old Divide and Conquer game.

Hey, hypocrite Vinnie, what say you deal with us as a group, just as you always insist we see the moderators here. ;)
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 Jul 2, 11, 18:07    #252
Vincent:
I can't believe how gullible you are, doing Randy's dirty work for him.


I am trying to have a discussion about the issue, not bringing in personal slights. However, getting personal is acceptable etiquette here, it would appear.

As I stated earlier, my "Llama, Yak, Avatar" outburst was an exercise of principals. My principals, whether you agree with them or not. You exercised your duty and suspended me, and I am ok with that.....

Now, back to the personal slights...

I ain't the one toeing the party line here. You are the one defending a position that seems indefensible. Who is the gullible one here?

Do your duty, Chump.
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 Jul 2, 11, 18:23    #253
Question:

if someone says "RANDOMJOE you are a f*cking idiot."

and another says "RANDOMJOE you are a ******"

are these statements equally weighted?
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 Jul 2, 11, 18:24    #254
ShawnH:
As I stated earlier, my "Llama, Yak, Avatar" outburst was an exercise of principals. My principals, whether you agree with them or not. You exercised your duty and suspended me, and I am ok with that.....

Actually, this is kinda the point of the exercise, part of what is in contention. I say it was NOT his duty to take action punishing you, as the word "llama" appears no where in the rules nor on any list of band words. Punishing for its mere mention is completely arbitrary on the part of the mods. The way they have handled it is nothing short of thuggish. If this injustice is permitted to stand, what's to say next they won't just select any other word to arbitrarily ban?... Like "turtle" or "Nazi" or "racist" or "homosexual" or...

ShawnH:
Do your duty, Chump.

Yes. Hopefully with a degree more professionalism and less snark.
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 Jul 2, 11, 18:34    #255
ShawnH:
I am trying to have a discussion about the issue, not bringing in personal slights. However, getting personal is acceptable etiquette here, it would appear.

It seems not only acceptable but encouraged since mods are doing it themselves.
Llamatic:
more professionalism

In order to be more of something there need to be this something to begin with ...
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 Jul 2, 11, 18:47    #256
legend:
are these statements equally weighted?


if they are used to show use of language, in a language thread, the second version goes in the bin as it means nothing.

if they are part of an ordinary post... they will go in the bin or be deleted.

that is of course, if they are reported or noticed by a mod.

not all posts are dealt with at once and some may be forgotten, if mods are cleaning up elsewhere.
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Edited by: Llamatic  Jul 2, 11, 19:03    #257
Wroclaw:
if they are used to show use of language, in a language thread, the second version goes in the bin as it means nothing.
if they are part of an ordinary post... they will go in the bin or be deleted.
that is of course, if they are reported or noticed by a mod.
not all posts are dealt with at once and some may be forgotten, if mods are cleaning up elsewhere.

Good explanation. Clear and concise... honest and by the book.


I am not being snide with this. I rip folks when they do wrong so in fairness I should acknowledge them when they do right. Other mods could learn from this above post.
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 Jul 2, 11, 19:13    #258
I suppose there's a legitimate bitch about how the rules are enforced. It can (and is) quite arbitrary sometimes depending on the situation and the people involved. I don't think it's biased towards individual users, but there is a grey zone on enforcing the rules depending on the interaction between users. If there's a back and forth with no complaints on either side (say BB and Torq), I tend to leave it unless it's bringing a thread off topic. I don't like it when people dish out "abuse" (which is pretty subjective in and of itself) and then pretend to be offended when it comes back.

So good people, would you rather have zero tolerance enforcement of the forum rules or keep a bit of arbitrary decision making around? We could just as easily be complete forum Nazis, but I don't think that would make the experience any better for the regulars. Your thoughts?
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 Jul 2, 11, 19:18    #259
convex:
So good people, would you rather have zero tolerance enforcement of the forum rules or keep a bit of arbitrary decision making around? We could just as easily be complete forum Nazis, but I don't think that would make the experience any better for the regulars. Your thoughts?


There has to be freedom of speech first and foremost. If someone is clearly attacking someone curse words or trolling I would warn and suspend.
Make it somewhere in the middle.
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Edited by: Bzibzioh  Jul 2, 11, 19:21    #260
convex:
Your thoughts?

Definitely cut the vulgarity off. All the penis/age/addictions/pedophilia/polacks related crap, too.
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 Jul 2, 11, 19:21    #261
legend:
Make it somewhere in the middle.


somewhere in the middle would be to remove the bad language and allow the chat to continue.

each mods boundry is different though.
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 Jul 2, 11, 19:34    #262
Checked the 'stereotype' thread lately, Wroc³aw?
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 Jul 2, 11, 20:08    #263
So dispelling stereotypes is now off-topic?
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 Jul 2, 11, 20:19    #264
Seanus:
So dispelling stereotypes is now off-topic?


no. the thread has just been cleaned up.
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 Jul 2, 11, 20:20    #265
OK. No worries :) Thanks :)
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Edited by: delphiandomine  Jul 2, 11, 23:54    #266
convex:
So good people, would you rather have zero tolerance enforcement of the forum rules or keep a bit of arbitrary decision making around? We could just as easily be complete forum Nazis, but I don't think that would make the experience any better for the regulars. Your thoughts?


Zero tolerance.

We'll soon see how the "nasty squad" will last when they get banned for abuse - most of them just can't stop themselves.
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 Jul 3, 11, 00:14    #267
delphiandomine:
We'll soon see how the "nasty squad" will last when they get banned for abuse - most of them just can't stop themselves.

Them? Better check how many of your posts are in random right now for abusive language/personal insults/vulgarity/derogatory slang /flaming/off topic. For now you have zero room to talk.
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Edited by: Llamatic  Jul 3, 11, 00:17    #268
convex:
We could just as easily be complete forum Nazis


delphiandomine:
Zero tolerance.

Figures this guy would vote for the Nazi approach. Lol.
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 Jul 3, 11, 14:30    #269
Mods, if I were a newbie getting into a discussion on this forum, I'd be disgusted with some of the riding roughshod over the rules and I'd give such posters early baths. It is blatant trolling on their part. Some can't even see what I was doing with the Polish jokes/stereotypes Vs reality approach. I pointed out the rules and am angry that such buffoons were allowed to pollute the thread again.
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Edited by: PolskiMoc  Jul 3, 11, 14:31    #270
I hear crying. Is there a baby on this topic?

Let the moderators do their job no need to cry.

But, I don't support Mods to abuse their power either.


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